OUTRAGE over DLC courses?

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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Sounds like to me EA was in a lose-lose situation. People were upset that we couldn't use DL'd courses in our careers. Now we can and people are mad that you see the hole in your calendar if you don't download.

Sorry, but I'm much happier that we now have the option to use DL'd courses as part of our careers. MUCH HAPPIER.

What should have been done is make the career mode fully customizable. You have 25 events, and except for Augusta, plug in any course in any event that you want. Then it doesn't matter hoiw many courses you have the ability to fill up every event with one of them.

But then again they don't want to put in too much too soon because then you have no reason to buy DLC next year. I'm sure that the option to fully customize your season events will be one of the "great new features" for TW 13 to get you to buy it and all the DLC.

[Chairman7w]

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This may be the most reasonable post I've seen on this subject: (well said Kerosene)

It all gets back to my original point: do your homework before you buy. If I do buy TW12, I want DLC courses. Not having the option to expand the game is silly.

Don't buy a TW golf game and then be "shocked, surprised and offended" when DLC comes out. When I decide whether or not to buy a TW game, I factor that in with my purchase. This year I am most likely passing on TW12 and just continue with 11. Nothing against the game, I just don't think I will get my bang for the buck out of it after purchasing DLC.

[peigone]

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Sounds like to me EA was in a lose-lose situation. People were upset that we couldn't use DL'd courses in our careers. Now we can and people are mad that you see the hole in your calendar if you don't download.

Yeah, the poor souls at EA were in the same lose-lose situation as a land developer who lays waste to the hills, builds tract housing and makes millions, and then plants a couple of scrawny birch trees in one corner of the street to appease those residents who happen to be nature lovers.

Like I said.. Hey EA:

1. PUT CAREER CUSTOMIZATION BACK IN THE GAME -- THE SAME FEATURE YOU REMOVED FROM THE SERIES BACK IN 2005 OR SO.
2. Let US decide which courses we want to assign to which tourneys in career mode.
3. Now make as many DLC courses available as you care to, and charge whatever price you want -- because now we have ZERO need to buy any of them.

[pskepsilon]

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Yeah, the poor souls at EA were in the same lose-lose situation as a land developer who lays waste to the hills, builds tract housing and makes millions, and then plants a couple of scrawny birch trees in one corner of the street to appease those residents who happen to be nature lovers.

Like I said.. Hey EA:

1. PUT CAREER CUSTOMIZATION BACK IN THE GAME -- THE SAME FEATURE YOU REMOVED FROM THE SERIES BACK IN 2005 OR SO.
2. Let US decide which courses we want to assign to which tourneys in career mode.
3. Now make as many DLC courses available as you care to, and charge whatever price you want -- because now we have ZERO need to buy any of them.

Not for nothing, but career customization is not as much of a no-brainer as you might think. For one thing, it's completely unrealistic. The only sports in which you, as the participant, have any control over the schedule in real life is college basketball or college football, and that only extends to non-conference games. The PGA Tour dictates the events and the locations and the players have to play there (or, crazy, I know) SKIP the tournaments you don't care to play. The existing structure models that reality pretty well.

As far as point three, I think it's pretty unrealistic to expect any company to structure their products in a way that gives its customers the impression that they have "ZERO need" to buy any of them. And that's assuming that the existing structure conveys that need at all. You don't currently have any NEED to buy the DLC courses. You just can't play in every single tournament in the season unless you buy some or all of them. I'd much rather they make a ton of courses available at the outset, use them in a career mode that has regional themed specific tournaments, and let people decide if they want to play them all or not, than do what they've done in the past in the service of catering to penny-pinchers or casuals.

It would be one thing if EA had drastically cut the number of courses included with the game, but they didn't. Not only did they finally get the most sought-after course in the world licensed and lovingly rendered in the game, they gave us the same number of other courses as they always have. And given the fact that the "cost per hour" ratio of gaming products usually hovers around $2 or more these days, these courses easily pay for themselves by that metric in a single tournament even if you pay the $4 for the individual course. This time around, the pricing is eminently reasonable and greatly enhances the overall career mode.

[mrsaito]

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Tangential question: Can you play the DLC courses if your PS3 is not connected to the internet? I have intermitent access so I could download them but it's not feasible to play them any time I want to if I have to be online.

The reason I ask is I got burned by this aspect of the MLB The Show classic stadiums.

[peigone]

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Not for nothing, but career customization is not as much of a no-brainer as you might think. For one thing, it's completely unrealistic. The only sports in which you, as the participant, have any control over the schedule in real life is college basketball or college football, and that only extends to non-conference games. The PGA Tour dictates the events and the locations and the players have to play there (or, crazy, I know) SKIP the tournaments you don't care to play. The existing structure models that reality pretty well.

So in this uber-realism scenario you're painting here, where do you stand with having to play fantasy courses on the PGA tour? Or with leaderboard ties that have no playoff holes? Or with the complete lack of accumulated golfer stats? Sorry, but in relation to this game, the word realism doesn't much come into play. This game mirrors playing on the actual PGA Tour about as badly and as poorly as Madden mirrors what NFL football broadcasts are like.

So your argument here is essentially this: forget customization options in sports games because they make the games unrealistic. That argument holds no water whatsoever. It's an established fact that every sports game with customization options is made better via the efforts and addons provided by the various modding communities. That includes games like the Links, the PES series, and all of 2K's games. Interesting to note that three of the games that catch the most flak for lacking realism are EA games that are devoid of any real and substantial customization options: the Tiger Woods series, FIFA, and Madden.

[OU81206]

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well said peigone. i agree 100%

[rolltide1017]

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What should have been done is make the career mode fully customizable. You have 25 events, and except for Augusta, plug in any course in any event that you want. Then it doesn't matter hoiw many courses you have the ability to fill up every event with one of them.

I agree but, what they did this year is still better then nothing like years past. I hope, dream that they are working on the customization for another year but I'm not holding my breath. I'm not happy with the way they decided to go but, I am happy that there are at least a few events for DLC in career mode this year.

[myghty]

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I was going to get TW 12 after playing the demo & because I enjoyed 11 alot, but after finding out how expensive (to me) the DLC pack is I think I'll pass. I also don't like how the DLC is tied into the Career mode, and yeah I know you can skip it but still, doesn't seem right that they would do that.

[paulitix]

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Nothing much of note has changed with the game?? I beg to differ.

There are plenty of reasons why these DLC courses are not a one-time purchase. A very large reason is because of the licensing agreements that EA has with real courses. EVERY version of TW that the course agrees to have in the game, there is a licensing fee that EA has to pay for those rights. You think EA is going to eat the cost of this without passing it on to consumers? And we are talking about an AVERAGE cost of $2.70 per course for courses that 8 years ago cost $20 EACH. Hell, a decent cheeseburger costs more than that these days and you get 10 minutes of enjoyment out if it and hours and hours of enjoyment out of each DLC course. EA is damned if they do and damned if they don't....

Course licensing has changed since the Links and Tiger PC days, so you can throw that argument out the window. Tiger also had a course converter, but you would not see features like those in this day and age...

EA also has to pay licensing fees to the NHL, NBA and FIFA every year, but that is rolled into the cost of the respective games...just sayin

[DivotMaker]

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EA also has to pay licensing fees to the NHL, NBA and FIFA every year, but that is rolled into the cost of the respective games...just sayin

However, those games do not have to license each individual stadium or arena like Tiger has to for each individual course. Huge difference.

[mrsaito]

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If I buy DLC content and lose my hard drive will EA let me get it again or am I on my own to back it up once I get it the first time?

[DivotMaker]

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If I buy DLC content and lose my hard drive will EA let me get it again or am I on my own to back it up once I get it the first time?

If you have DL'd DLC, there is a record of it and you can re-DL later.

[DonkeyJote]

Let's remember too, guys, that most popular games are sold well below market value. If microsoft and sony didn't mandate game prices would likely be much higher.

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[Blublub]

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Nothing much of note has changed with the game?? I beg to differ.

There are plenty of reasons why these DLC courses are not a one-time purchase. A very large reason is because of the licensing agreements that EA has with real courses. EVERY version of TW that the course agrees to have in the game, there is a licensing fee that EA has to pay for those rights. You think EA is going to eat the cost of this without passing it on to consumers? And we are talking about an AVERAGE cost of $2.70 per course for courses that 8 years ago cost $20 EACH. Hell, a decent cheeseburger costs more than that these days and you get 10 minutes of enjoyment out if it and hours and hours of enjoyment out of each DLC course. EA is damned if they do and damned if they don't....

Differ all you want, I'm just not seeing enough of a difference to justify what amounts to a $150 purchase each year for me. YMMV. I'm also somewhat doubtful of the claim that licensing is the primary reason for the annual charge. How then to explain that the same crap fantasy courses have to be repurchased as well?