Enough is enough, the putting is broken in this game!

[Seymour Scagnetti]

I thought it was great at the beginning but the more I play the more I realize the putting is broken in this game, at least in tourney mode. It's a crapshoot in judging speeds on the green.

There is no consistency whatsover in the stroke or the consistency of the greens. I've always been great at putting in golf games with every golf game I've played and I am literally averaging 40+ putts a round most times and this is with my CAG at an 80+ rating for putting. The putting feels the same to me now than it did when my CAG was at a 10 rating and that's not good.

I get slow greens where I have to literally hit it with 100% and I'm still 10 feet short on a hole that was 40 feet away with an uphill slope of 1 foot. Then if I get a 20 footer with a 8 inch downhill slope I hit it less than medium and it rolls 10 feet past the hole on the same slow greens.

I have yet to play a tourney under par even if I hit 80% of the fairways and GIR because if I'm left with anything over 20 feet it's almost guranteed to be a 3 putt.

I've played enough golf games in my life that I know when putting is off and believe me it's off in this game. I've played this game quite alot in the last week and my CAG is rated a lot higher now and I can safely say I am not any better at putting than when I first started. It looks like EA just added another arcadey thing to make putting artificially difficult to control scores online.

This better be patched soon to make it like last year where it wasn't a crapshoot once you got on the greens.

[NEOPARADIGM]

Re: Enough is enough, the putting is broken in this game!

By "tourney mode" you're talking about Tournament difficulty, right? Then I agree. It's awful. You're basically just guessing, and you basically need to get lucky to sink anything over 15 feet.

I'm fairly certain I'll be sticking with Tour Pro sans some trophy-whoring.

[tsp120]

Re: Enough is enough, the putting is broken in this game!

I'm going to have to disagree but I don't doubt your frustration.

I'm playing on tournament difficulty in tournament mode and I think the putting, now that I've gotten used to it, is great. I have the occasional three putt but I seem to have the feel for putting down. It's amazing how many 30+ foot putts I leave within a couple of feet of the hole. And I'm still early in my career and my putting attributes are barely over 50.

All I can say is keep practicing.

[Rules]

Re: Enough is enough, the putting is broken in this game!

I'm going to have to disagree but I don't doubt your frustration.

I'm playing on tournament difficulty in tournament mode and I think the putting, now that I've gotten used to it, is great. I have the occasional three putt but I seem to have the feel for putting down. It's amazing how many 30+ foot putts I leave within a couple of feet of the hole. And I'm still early in my career and my putting attributes are barely over 50.

All I can say is keep practicing.

I have to agree with you that it takes practice and consistancy. I have made puts over 30+ and I have struggled with the simple close ones at times. However, it is like real life. I don't feel that I am guessing once I have read the green and made my adjustments. I am using the Move so maybe that is where we are different as I feel using the controller was becoming too easy on Tournament difficulty.

[kerosene31]

Re: Enough is enough, the putting is broken in this game!

I hated it at first but am getting used to it. Anytime the greens are fast or tournament setting, long putts are very difficult. Overall it is harder than last year (which I felt was nearly perfect). You sure earn any putt over 10 feet. What kills me is the 5-10 footers with some break. There's just no feel on them and the speed is always a little off so you end up missing the line.

I actually make more longer putts than shorter ones.

Just like last year you have to lag putt a lot. Anything fast with break you just need to lag it close to the hole. Especially on downhill putts.

Putting is still tough. I avoid aiming at the green if it is going to set me up for a long putt. I'd rather be off the green or even in the sand (which isn't right).

I'd prefer if they left the putting meter on. Putting on fast greens is not easy even with it on. I felt my putting was pretty realistic last year with the meter on.

[globalbeats7]

Re: Enough is enough, the putting is broken in this game!

i can understand someones frustration on putting but PLEASE dont say its broken. last thing we want is EA to dumb down the putting for next year. and another reason why you shouldnt say its broken is because its not. not sure what analog controller you have, im on the original PS3 controller. but putting on this difficulty is pretty close to how it should be. you really have to think about your approach shots and landing them in spots on the green where you will have easier putts. no longer can you just wack approach shots and try to get them as close as possible because you might leave yourself with a 8 foot super downhill putt. instead, u should manage the course/green and try to land it 16 feet so you have an uphill putt, for example. with putting being hard but not broken as you claim, you are also forced to manage your longer putts better than years past. no longer should you just try to drain 50 foot putts without much thought. you should be playing it safe at times and judging so you leave yourself with a good shot at two putting.

now, you really have to get used to the LS and not slamming it forward on your stroke. the LS stick works entirely differently on tourney difficulty then with the lower difficulties with the meter. it just doesnt work the same way. Also, I really have grown to use the golf ball on the lower left hand of the screen while putting....it sort of acts like a meter in a way. you can really improve your putting by looking at this during your putting stroke.

[DivotMaker]

Re: Enough is enough, the putting is broken in this game!

I'm going to have to disagree but I don't doubt your frustration.

I'm playing on tournament difficulty in tournament mode and I think the putting, now that I've gotten used to it, is great. I have the occasional three putt but I seem to have the feel for putting down. It's amazing how many 30+ foot putts I leave within a couple of feet of the hole. And I'm still early in my career and my putting attributes are barely over 50.

All I can say is keep practicing.

Could not agree more!

[Dogslax41]

Re: Enough is enough, the putting is broken in this game!

i can understand someones frustration on putting but PLEASE dont say its broken. last thing we want is EA to dumb down the putting for next year. and another reason why you shouldnt say its broken is because its not. not sure what analog controller you have, im on the original PS3 controller. but putting on this difficulty is pretty close to how it should be. you really have to think about your approach shots and landing them in spots on the green where you will have easier putts. no longer can you just wack approach shots and try to get them as close as possible because you might leave yourself with a 8 foot super downhill putt. instead, u should manage the course/green and try to land it 16 feet so you have an uphill putt, for example. with putting being hard but not broken as you claim, you are also forced to manage your longer putts better than years past. no longer should you just try to drain 50 foot putts without much thought. you should be playing it safe at times and judging so you leave yourself with a good shot at two putting.

now, you really have to get used to the LS and not slamming it forward on your stroke. the LS stick works entirely differently on tourney difficulty then with the lower difficulties with the meter. it just doesnt work the same way. Also, I really have grown to use the golf ball on the lower left hand of the screen while putting....it sort of acts like a meter in a way. you can really improve your putting by looking at this during your putting stroke.

100% agree. When I first started playing I was getting very frustrated with the putting as it was killing my scores. Then I realized that they had adjusted the putting to exactly what I wanted, a more simulation style and demanding of a more realistic approach and I had to change my style from previous Tiger games where I would play very arcadey and just hit it as close to the pin as possible and mechanically line up a putt no matter the slope and nail a snake becuase all the greens played the exact same. Love the fact that I have to make my approach shot with the shape and slope of the green in mind. And then once I am on I have to take into account the green speed and if I want to lag or really attack and go after the hole.

[Skyboxer]

Re: Enough is enough, the putting is broken in this game!

I think the tourney level putting is great...
After I got a good amount of play in, I have been having some really good experiences.
I think it's fine

Also just to add....
It really really makes your approaches more important than ever before. How many years have we had a golf game where as long as you got it on green you were pretty sure you'd sink the put with no problems?
Now when I hit an approach and am off, I know I just made getting a birdie (or even par sometimes lol) that much more difficult. It reall makes your whole game important and not just how far you can hit it.

My .02

[kerosene31]

Re: Enough is enough, the putting is broken in this game!

I still don't think that difficulty necessarily means realism. I still find driving and irons to be too easy while putting is a little too difficult. Overall it kind of balances, but like the original poster said, tons of FIR/GIR but a ton of extra putts. On the scorecard it works in total but doesn't necessarily represent real life.

Again I thought TW11 nailed it well. I would 2 putt most of the time, but get the occasional 3 or more, and nail a few longer putts too.

That said it might be an XP issue too. I have been pumping XP into putting after putting up too many 7s on the card and have gotten a lot better (along with practice too of course but I think XP is part of it). I think just like how your aiming circle is huge at first for shots, the putter is kind of random early on too.

[Skyboxer]

Re: Enough is enough, the putting is broken in this game!

I still don't think that difficulty necessarily means realism. I still find driving and irons to be too easy while putting is a little too difficult. Overall it kind of balances, but like the original poster said, tons of FIR/GIR but a ton of extra putts. On the scorecard it works in total but doesn't necessarily represent real life.

Again I thought TW11 nailed it well. I would 2 putt most of the time, but get the occasional 3 or more, and nail a few longer putts too.

That said it might be an XP issue too. I have been pumping XP into putting after putting up too many 7s on the card and have gotten a lot better (along with practice too of course but I think XP is part of it). I think just like how your aiming circle is huge at first for shots, the putter is kind of random early on too.

Using the MOVE I don't have ton's of GIR or FIR lol I'm working on it.
If the MOVE didn't exist I probably wouldn't own TW though.

[twthomas]

Re: Enough is enough, the putting is broken in this game!

I thought it was great at the beginning but the more I play the more I realize the putting is broken in this game, at least in tourney mode. It's a crapshoot in judging speeds on the green.

There is no consistency whatsover in the stroke or the consistency of the greens. I've always been great at putting in golf games with every golf game I've played and I am literally averaging 40+ putts a round most times and this is with my CAG at an 80+ rating for putting. The putting feels the same to me now than it did when my CAG was at a 10 rating and that's not good.

I get slow greens where I have to literally hit it with 100% and I'm still 10 feet short on a hole that was 40 feet away with an uphill slope of 1 foot. Then if I get a 20 footer with a 8 inch downhill slope I hit it less than medium and it rolls 10 feet past the hole on the same slow greens.

I have yet to play a tourney under par even if I hit 80% of the fairways and GIR because if I'm left with anything over 20 feet it's almost guranteed to be a 3 putt.

I've played enough golf games in my life that I know when putting is off and believe me it's off in this game. I've played this game quite alot in the last week and my CAG is rated a lot higher now and I can safely say I am not any better at putting than when I first started. It looks like EA just added another arcadey thing to make putting artificially difficult to control scores online.

This better be patched soon to make it like last year where it wasn't a crapshoot once you got on the greens.

If not for a couple of words in that post, I would swear Tiger Woods himself posted it about his current level of play.

[OpusX910]

Re: Enough is enough, the putting is broken in this game!

I think tournament difficulty would be perfect if they changed three things:

-added a putting meter without the yellow sweet spot
-took away the zoom in on your projected landing zone feature, and made you aim from true aim view with a projected shot line and caddy book to choose reference points
-added club yardages

I don't think putting is broken on tournament difficulty, but it is ungodly hard not having a meter. The putting meter is fairly realistic to real life, as most players judge how hard they're going to hit a put, by how far they pull back their putter. I can't see how far i'm pulling my putter back in tournament difficulty.

It bums me out because I really want to use tournament difficulty, but I just can't do the putting.

[rolltide1017]

Re: Enough is enough, the putting is broken in this game!

I still don't think that difficulty necessarily means realism. I still find driving and irons to be too easy while putting is a little too difficult. Overall it kind of balances, but like the original poster said, tons of FIR/GIR but a ton of extra putts. On the scorecard it works in total but doesn't necessarily represent real life.

Again I thought TW11 nailed it well. I would 2 putt most of the time, but get the occasional 3 or more, and nail a few longer putts too.

That said it might be an XP issue too. I have been pumping XP into putting after putting up too many 7s on the card and have gotten a lot better (along with practice too of course but I think XP is part of it). I think just like how your aiming circle is huge at first for shots, the putter is kind of random early on too.

I disagree, I think putting is one thing they nailed this year. I'm not a good golfer in real life but, as long as I concentrate, I can hit most fairways or be close to the fairway with most drives. On most par 4, I'm usually around the green in 2. Now, what determines if I have a good or bad round is not my first 2 shots on each hole but rather how well I chip and putt. Putting is the most difficult golf shot to master and it is finally that way in the game.

I've never had to take so much time reading greens in a TW game before and then determine the right amount of touch to put on the ball. It feels great and almost exactly like real life IMO. It is so rewarding when you do sink that 20 footer now that I actually jump and give myself a fist pump.

I also disagree with Opus about having a meter on tournament mode, I do not think it belongs on that mode at all, not even as an option. Yardages are needed and the ability for the camera to switch to some other camera after you hit the ball so you can actually see were your shot ends up. Don't change anything pre shot, just let me see where my ball lands.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

Re: Enough is enough, the putting is broken in this game!

Sorry guys, I must have misquoted myself because it's not the putting that's broken, it's the whole ****ing game. Seriously for a sim effort this game is a complete piece of **** and it gets worse every year. Let me tell you why.

I'm on tourney difficulty and after 3 rounds I'm tied for the lead at -6 at Costa Navarino. In the 4th round there are 15, let me repeat that 15, of the 18 holes that had pin positions on slopes and I'm not talking minor slopes, I'm talking 9 to 12 inch slopes on average. It didn't matter where you landed the ball with an approach shot you had to have a complete fluke to putt out in 2. Birdies are a pipe dream. I saved and quit the 4th round literally a dozen times around the 17th hole and strated over and the best I could muster was a 77 and with that 77 I hit every GIR and i putted well as I could and I holed out my 1st eagle from the fairway. The other rounds would have ended up in the 80's if I finished them because that 77 was a fluke. I was blaming putting when it's the 4th round pin placements that keep causing me to blow up in rounds.

This isn't realistic, this is arcade crap with the devs somehow thinking that making the 4th round as hard as possible with idiotic placements was somehow realistic. Out of those 15 ******** pin placements, probably 13 of them I have never seen on a golf course ever on TV or real life. This is indefensible.

Difficult pin placements mean that the it's located in an area with some slopes that is hard to get to, NOT the actual pin itself being on a slope. the immediate area around the pin is always flat the vast majority of the time. That's how come on TV 98% of the time you never seen putts rolling back to your feet like you do every other hole in the 4th round in this game.

It is literally impossible to win on half the courses on tourney difficulty because you cannot break par in the 4th round. It makes career mode a joke. Don't waste your time in career mode because even if you get putting at max it won't help you with some of these moronic holes. It makes playing any tourney pointless because you're gonna crash and burn in the 4th round no matter what.

I'm pissed that I wasted money again on this game and on DLC for the 1st time. Complete waste of cash. I'm trading this crap in and I have finally learned my lesson. I will never buy a TW game again. Please 2K,make a golf game and don't let the idiots behind TW keep a monopoly on the market when they aren't even golf fans. Rant over.