Jack's Record Is Safe

[DivotMaker]

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Nearly perfect approach on the 72nd hole runs through the green. Couldn't get up and down from there. Watson is/was one of the purest strikers of the ball of all time.

A 71 at Augusta at age 65 is pretty damn impressive as well.....

[pietasterp]

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Nearly perfect approach on the 72nd hole runs through the green. Couldn't get up and down from there. Watson is/was one of the purest strikers of the ball of all time.

That was just....so wrong. The golf gods screwed that one up royally. That ball should have been 10-feet from the hole, max. He hit that on a bead right at the stick and ends up having to chip from a tight lie and make a downhill twister. As someone in the British press said at the time (after it was all over), it was like someone shot Santa Claus.

Indeed.

[lhslancers]

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Paralysis by analysis. Maybe he ought to just let his swing coach play. And stop with the we crap already.

[watergoy]

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Looks like Tiger is shot. While he's won a lot of tourneys the past 15 years I think he peaked 15 years ago.

Agreed, I think it is safe to ask whether or not he will win a major on the senior tour if and when he gets there.

[Flightwhite24]

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Tough to see my favorite golfer go out like this. He had his time in my opinion and now it's someone else's time. What can't be denied is the guys play. One of the greatest athletes that I've ever seen


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[BL8001]

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Golf channel showed that Tiger is +51 in all his pga events combined the past 2 years.

Wow.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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I give him one more year. If he continues embarrassing himself then I think he'll just pack it in. He doesn't need the money and it certainly looks like he has lost the passion for the game. These days just making the cut seems to be big news for him. Don't think he wants to go out like that when he hasn't even hit 40 yet.

I know some golfers like to continually fiddle with their swings because they can't help themselves but he was at his most dominant between 1998 and 2002 and then he decided he needed to change his swing. Probably didn't help that he decided to bulk up which limited his flexibility and was another factor in him changing his swing. It became much more violent and cost him his longevity. If you look at his swing back around 2000, it was so much more easy flowing and he was still getting great club head speed. If he kept that swing, I am certain right now he would be at around 18 majors at this point and have a lot of golf left in him because he would be much less injured. Once he bulked up his driving became erratic. Imagine how dominant he would have become if he could keep it in the fairway.

I hope that's a lesson for Rory who seems to be going through the same bulk up routine which is not a great idea for a golfer. Rory is starting to exhibit that same wildness. He'll win a couple of tourneys and then miss the cut in the next 2 because hell have these blow up rounds which seem impossible for a golfer with his talent. Now I expect him him to announce in the next year or 2 that he's changing his swing just to compensate for his body changes.

How many golfers do you really see bulk up as their career progresses? I can't think of any besides Tiger. Some start getting fat around the waist due to age but very few go through a bulk up routine because it doesn't make sense. Then they have to go through swing changes and can easily mess everything up. Going through major swing changes is always a dumb move. Look at Padraig Harrington. He was near the top and was winning majors and then decided he needed to change his swing that he was using his whole life and has been terrible ever since. And that was just a swing change and he didn't bulk up which adds to the confusion.

[lhslancers]

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Seymour Woods played his best golf by far under Harmon to be sure. His distance control with his irons was miraculous. But I think that "swing" lead to his knee problems.

Every thing is over analyzed today. Just hit the ball.

[Flightwhite24]

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Seymour Woods played his best golf by far under Harmon to be sure. His distance control with his irons was miraculous. But I think that "swing" lead to his knee problems.

Every thing is over analyzed today. Just hit the ball.

Yeah should have never cut ties with Butch. They had a good thing going on


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[Seymour Scagnetti]

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Seymour Woods played his best golf by far under Harmon to be sure. His distance control with his irons was miraculous. But I think that "swing" lead to his knee problems.

Every thing is over analyzed today. Just hit the ball.

The story I heard about his knee is that he first injured his knee doing Navy Seal type training, I kid you not. He became fascinated with fitness and bulking up and the training Navy Seals did which I would imagine is due to his father's military background. The knee got progressively worse as a result where he had to have major surgery to correct it in 2008. And after that the injuries started to pile up which probably is partially a result of pushing himself too hard with weight training and other training disciplines as well as that violent swing. Apparently he also suffered an achilles tendon problem as well from his rigorous training to a point where he had to change the style of shoe he wore on the course a few years ago to give his heel better support.

Then of course you have whispers on Tiger's involvement with the Biogenesis scandal and Anthony Bosch. I think's Tiger's obsession with fitness and trying to slow down the aging process ending up doing the exact opposite. He has worn out his body and suffered injuries that could have been avoided and looks like an aging 39 year old golfer out there.

[pietasterp]

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Seymour Woods played his best golf by far under Harmon to be sure. His distance control with his irons was miraculous. But I think that "swing" lead to his knee problems.

Every thing is over analyzed today. Just hit the ball.

The story I heard about his knee is that he first injured his knee doing Navy Seal type training, I kid you not. He became fascinated with fitness and bulking up and the training Navy Seals did which I would imagine is due to his father's military background. The knee got progressively worse as a result where he had to have major surgery to correct it in 2008. And after that the injuries started to pile up which probably is partially a result of pushing himself too hard with weight training and other training disciplines as well as that violent swing. Apparently he also suffered an achilles tendon problem as well from his rigorous training to a point where he had to change the style of shoe he wore on the course a few years ago to give his heel better support.

Then of course you have whispers on Tiger's involvement with the Biogenesis scandal and Anthony Bosch. I think's Tiger's obsession with fitness and trying to slow down the aging process ending up doing the exact opposite. He has worn out his body and suffered injuries that could have been avoided and looks like an aging 39 year old golfer out there.

I was going to post this as well. I have heard that Tiger's original knee problem started when he was f'n around with Navy Seals training, and everything sort of cascaded from there. I have also heard the whispers about Biogenesis etc., and frankly, none of that is hard to believe if it turns out to be true.

But even without the speculation/rumor of steroids, if the Navy Seals training thing is true, that itself is just so ridiculously dumb I don't even know where to start. I know it's all unverified, but the stories have been out there for a while now and it's well-known he idolized his career-military dad and his insanely inflated ego was peaking around that time as well. I never bought into this idea that his swing was somehow too violent and caused his injuries; yes, he torqued hard on that left knee, but unless he already had a serious injury there, it should not have led to multiple surgeries and left him in a debilitating state (after all, he's not the only guy with a hard post-up and swivel on the left side). It makes more sense that he had the original (non-golf-related) knee injury, compensated by changing his swing, and was simultaneously bulking up and further altering his swing which then led to further injuries (back, etc.).

Honestly, I'm not sure why he's even out there at this point. He's not competitive, he seems to aggravate some old injury or ailment every other round, and he's just a side-show to the actual tournament most of the time. I don't ever doubt that he still has the ability to compete at the highest level (as he occasionally shows), but putting together 4 solid competitive rounds seems to be beyond his physical abilities at this point (for health reasons). None of that is going to get better as he gets on the other side of 40. For someone who has always been of the mind that he wants to be the best or he doesn't even want to be out there, he really only seems to have 1 option at this point.

Agreed, I think it is safe to ask whether or not he will win a major on the senior tour if and when he gets there.

I can't imagine Tiger ever playing the Senior Tour. He seems more like a "retire into a life of business ventures and golf course design" kind of guy. The Senior Tour was originally a place for legends to basically cash in during the twilight of their careers at a time when the money in golf was finally getting pretty sweet (given that most of the legends played during a time when they didn't make all that much, all things considered). But in the modern era, most of these guys make so much money during their playing days, they really don't need to go out on what's clearly a secondary tour during their retirement years. These days, it seems like the "Champion's Tour" (I hate that name, BTW) is more like a career extension option for middle-of-the-road tour players who need to keep cashing a check for as long as possible. There are obviously some notable exceptions, but most of the time, I basically watch those tournaments to see if I can recognize some obscure former Tour players (the "hey, I remember that guy!" factor) and also to see how old I can feel (also known as, "that guy is on the SENIOR tour now??? Jesus, I'm old....).

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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I also doubt Tiger plays the senior tour. Most guys just do it for the money which is a pretty good gig for 50+ year old athletes. And many guys will lose thier competitive fire knowing they are competing on a secondary tour. Even Jack only played briefly on the senior tour. Tiger doesn't need the money and it will probably feel like he's playing a minor league tour by doing it.

[lhslancers]

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I couldn't see Woods ever playing the Senior Tour and getting his clock cleaned by a guy who couldn't hold his jock strap on the Jr. Tour. I feel bad for the guy and all he's been put through with the marriage and all of that. I'd bet some of us did the same kind of thing but nobody cared enough to write about it.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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I couldn't see Woods ever playing the Senior Tour and getting his clock cleaned by a guy who couldn't hold his jock strap on the Jr. Tour. I feel bad for the guy and all he's been put through with the marriage and all of that. I'd bet some of us did the same kind of thing but nobody cared enough to write about it.

He was boinking everything that moved. It wasn't one woman. And it wasn't like he didn't have the opportunity to get it out of his system before he got hitched. If he knew he was like that, then don't get married. It's hard to feel bad for a serial cheater.

[pietasterp]

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I couldn't see Woods ever playing the Senior Tour and getting his clock cleaned by a guy who couldn't hold his jock strap on the Jr. Tour. I feel bad for the guy and all he's been put through with the marriage and all of that. I'd bet some of us did the same kind of thing but nobody cared enough to write about it.

He was boinking everything that moved. It wasn't one woman. And it wasn't like he didn't have the opportunity to get it out of his system before he got hitched. If he knew he was like that, then don't get married. It's hard to feel bad for a serial cheater.

Yeah, hard to feel bad for the guy, since he brought it all on himself. I mean, he was young, rich, famous, athletic. You know you're gonna wanna horse around, why not do it for a while, then at some point settle down and have the family? No need to f*-up your spouse and kids' life because you haven't sowed all your wild oats yet. 100% self-inflicted wound.

This is why, much as I hated him during his playing career, the right way to do it is Derek Jeter. Jeets has been nailing every hot piece of tail this side of Jupiter for the better part of 2 decades, but it doesn't matter because he isn't married so no one says sh*t about it (as well they shouldn't).