Tour Gameplay Style Fan Feedback

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I agree with all of the above except the "ideal downswing be 4 times the speed of the backswing". In the other game that you are referencing, I find that with the 1:4 ratio the forward swing it "lacks a realistic feel of acceleration in the forward swing". Maybe more along the lines of a 1:6, 1:8, etc. would be more realistic in the feel.

I agree that a ratio somewhere in the range you're suggesting would feel more natural. I don't do a good job with the 1:4 ratio in Perfect Golf, but I wonder how much of that is due to in not being in real time? I've got to use the golfer animation as a barometer in an analog swing interface. Until that happens in Perfect Golf, I won't really know what the ideal ration would be. It's probably a waste of time to discuss it in this thread because I don't see anything like this in the cards for EA Sports anytime soon.

[oldjim]

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This is so cool that somebody from EA comes here!

My only big dislike is that the game is too easy when somebody is shooting -23 for 18 on the daily tournament, on tour mode. That's way too easy. Make it harder to hit a driver straight. Force the player to have to use a 3 wood, or an iron of the tee. Just make it more real. You can do it!

[fsufan4423]

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Just make it more real. You can do it!

This! But it will have to be done in a reasonable time table. Although this is a two year process, I can't see too many people waiting out long periods of inactivity.

Too many other good games coming. I'll be watching from the stands just to see whats going on though.

[cblake78]

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Another thing (not sure if it has been mentioned in this thread):

You HAVE to incorporate DLC courses/players/content into Career Mode. If we're stuck playing the same 8 real-life courses throughout the entirety of this game in Career Mode, then it has no real lasting power.

As a pre-purchaser of the game, it's a bummer that I can't play TPC Scottsdale in Career Mode.

[HANDSWARD_EA]

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A little update on where we are with this.

The tweak to this swing mechanic has passed testing. Right now it is tuned on the safe side. I don't want to make a big swing at this and make the mode too hard. It scales based on swing difficulty so those using a custom setup on Hard will see the biggest impact with this change. Normal gets a fair amount of impact and Easy is almost like this change doesn't even exist. If this goes over well and scores don't get much higher for the average user then we will look to turn it up a bit in the following update to the game. I don't want to ruin the fun and challenge that many users are getting out of the current way Tour plays. And yes, based on telemetry we can tell that most users are very challenged by this style already. The average score to par for 18 holes in Tour right now is +13. We took out the top 15% and bottom 15% of scores and it was still +12. So yes, most users are finding the mode challenging and fun.

For clarity on how this works... We are now going to add left and right miss-hit based on your backswing length and follow through speed being off from perfect on all shots. So if you swing perfectly straight with a full swing-perfect readout you will have absolutely no miss-hit. But as you get off on either the backswing or forward swing you will start to spray the ball left or right a bit. The left or right is decided randomly. I didn't want to make fast always go left or overswing always go left. Users could just compensate with their aim if that was the case. But it isn't pure random, we are taking input and adding miss-hit, so you are still in control of the shot.

[sroz39]

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A little update on where we are with this.

The tweak to this swing mechanic has passed testing. Right now it is tuned on the safe side. I don't want to make a big swing at this and make the mode too hard. It scales based on swing difficulty so those using a custom setup on Hard will see the biggest impact with this change. Normal gets a fair amount of impact and Easy is almost like this change doesn't even exist. If this goes over well and scores don't get much higher for the average user then we will look to turn it up a bit in the following update to the game. I don't want to ruin the fun and challenge that many users are getting out of the current way Tour plays. And yes, based on telemetry we can tell that most users are very challenged by this style already. The average score to par for 18 holes in Tour right now is +13. We took out the top 15% and bottom 15% of scores and it was still +12. So yes, most users are finding the mode challenging and fun.

For clarity on how this works... We are now going to add left and right miss-hit based on your backswing length and follow through speed being off from perfect on all shots. So if you swing perfectly straight with a full swing-perfect readout you will have absolutely no miss-hit. But as you get off on either the backswing or forward swing you will start to spray the ball left or right a bit. The left or right is decided randomly. I didn't want to make fast always go left or overswing always go left. Users could just compensate with their aim if that was the case. But it isn't pure random, we are taking input and adding miss-hit, so you are still in control of the shot.

I like the sound of everything up until the end...I personally feel it shouldn't be random. A tour player has a general idea of what his most common miss is and plays for it accordingly. If you're "quick" with your hands it should miss pull side, if you're slow with your hands it should be "blocked" out. Other than that though, everything is very encouraging and even if it is random, I am very happy to see something being done about the relative ease to swing the club on this mode.

As far as the scores of what you guys are seeing on this level, I would bet it has a lot more to do with not being able to zoom in on the target than the actual swing mechanics. I'd even bet that if you turned the default tour mode swing difficulty to Expert from Normal, you wouldn't see vastly different scoring than you are now.

Anyway, just my two cents. Really appreciate the update and look forward to seeing this in action.

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For clarity on how this works... We are now going to add left and right miss-hit based on your backswing length and follow through speed being off from perfect on all shots. So if you swing perfectly straight with a full swing-perfect readout you will have absolutely no miss-hit. But as you get off on either the backswing or forward swing you will start to spray the ball left or right a bit. The left or right is decided randomly. I didn't want to make fast always go left or overswing always go left. Users could just compensate with their aim if that was the case. But it isn't pure random, we are taking input and adding miss-hit, so you are still in control of the shot.

I like the direction you're taking with this Justin. It sounds good in theory and I'd be anxious to see the results, as I think it would be something that those who are playing Tour Custom would really like. I'm a little uncertain about the randomness for being quick or slow, overswing or underswing, but I can also see how this could potentially be exploited if it is proportionally manageable.

Would it be too much to ask to have an option to turn off the swing meter for those of us who don't like live HUD devices? I'd like to see it *after* impact to help me understand what I did post shot, but I find it more of a distraction during the actual swing itself. I just feel a stronger connection with my on screen surrogate if I'm using his animation to gauge the swing, rather than looking at a meter.

I'm really anxious to see how this turns out!

[Jet Sufferer]

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I think I have the solution for simulation mode.

The return of the strike meter and sliders for how much the cursor wiggles for lie,wind,slope, and rain, and maybe even pressure for closing a tournament and major championships.

[HANDSWARD_EA]

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Would it be too much to ask to have an option to turn off the swing meter for those of us who don't like live HUD devices?

Definitely on my list of potential update changes. This one is more involved than just turning it off though. I want it to be a setting that is part of gameplay style. So there are several screens where we display this to the user and we would need to update all of those screens. It doesn't make sense as a presentation setting. You should be able to force it on an opponent in an unranked game if you choose to do so by setting up a Custom. I will say that if we add this, the meter will remain On by default in each Gameplay Style. It does way too much to help the average user and making it go away by default would likely make the mode too hard.

[Jet Sufferer]

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Also putts inside of 10 feet, which are way too easy now.

Have like a micro grid/green showing more details and subtleties of the green and cup. Inside of 10 feet should be a mini game unto itself the way it is in real golf.

[sroz39]

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With all this talk about leaving things on by default, almost makes me wish for a 4th gameplay style lobby called "Simulation" that would turn everything off but green grid maybe, with the Expert swing difficulty as it's default level.

Don't know how widely played this would be, but I'd love to see scores on it in Daily and Weekly tournaments.

Having some time to let a lot of this sink in, I really applaud the move to make the backswing and tempo the deciding factor of left and right misses. Makes all those cheaters with the rigged controllers play on a level playing field.

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[kehlis]

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A little update on where we are with this.

The tweak to this swing mechanic has passed testing. Right now it is tuned on the safe side. I don't want to make a big swing at this and make the mode too hard. It scales based on swing difficulty so those using a custom setup on Hard will see the biggest impact with this change. Normal gets a fair amount of impact and Easy is almost like this change doesn't even exist. If this goes over well and scores don't get much higher for the average user then we will look to turn it up a bit in the following update to the game. I don't want to ruin the fun and challenge that many users are getting out of the current way Tour plays. And yes, based on telemetry we can tell that most users are very challenged by this style already. The average score to par for 18 holes in Tour right now is +13. We took out the top 15% and bottom 15% of scores and it was still +12. So yes, most users are finding the mode challenging and fun.

For clarity on how this works... We are now going to add left and right miss-hit based on your backswing length and follow through speed being off from perfect on all shots. So if you swing perfectly straight with a full swing-perfect readout you will have absolutely no miss-hit. But as you get off on either the backswing or forward swing you will start to spray the ball left or right a bit. The left or right is decided randomly. I didn't want to make fast always go left or overswing always go left. Users could just compensate with their aim if that was the case. But it isn't pure random, we are taking input and adding miss-hit, so you are still in control of the shot.

Just curious but is the data that's compiled based on online only or both offline and online.

[Jet Sufferer]

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A little update on where we are with this.

The tweak to this swing mechanic has passed testing. Right now it is tuned on the safe side. I don't want to make a big swing at this and make the mode too hard. It scales based on swing difficulty so those using a custom setup on Hard will see the biggest impact with this change. Normal gets a fair amount of impact and Easy is almost like this change doesn't even exist. If this goes over well and scores don't get much higher for the average user then we will look to turn it up a bit in the following update to the game. I don't want to ruin the fun and challenge that many users are getting out of the current way Tour plays. And yes, based on telemetry we can tell that most users are very challenged by this style already. The average score to par for 18 holes in Tour right now is +13. We took out the top 15% and bottom 15% of scores and it was still +12. So yes, most users are finding the mode challenging and fun.

For clarity on how this works... We are now going to add left and right miss-hit based on your backswing length and follow through speed being off from perfect on all shots. So if you swing perfectly straight with a full swing-perfect readout you will have absolutely no miss-hit. But as you get off on either the backswing or forward swing you will start to spray the ball left or right a bit. The left or right is decided randomly. I didn't want to make fast always go left or overswing always go left. Users could just compensate with their aim if that was the case. But it isn't pure random, we are taking input and adding miss-hit, so you are still in control of the shot.

I'm no master joystick jockey but I'm tearing this game apart on the hardest settings. In the OS Country clubs most tournaments I finished middle to upper part of the pack.

Please consider a separate simulation mode with sliders (see my suggestion a few posts back).

The game is really easy, I'm just playing it to chill out right now, I play super fast and put up ridiculous numbers. I'm sure there are thousands of guys who play better than me too.

I don't understand the too hard argument if it's adjustable. I dont buy the argument that 14 didn't sell well because of simulation mode. That was NOT the default mode out of the box and it's not like gamers were stuck or forced playing the hardest mode.

I understand wanting to appeal to "everybody" but doesn't everybody also include the hard part of the spectrum too? The casual has PLENTY of ways to play this game right now and I'm stuck with barely ever making a bogey.

EDIT: Shot 57 at Royal Troon in Career Mode, hardest settings...

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Definitely on my list of potential update changes. This one is more involved than just turning it off though. I want it to be a setting that is part of gameplay style. So there are several screens where we display this to the user and we would need to update all of those screens. It doesn't make sense as a presentation setting. You should be able to force it on an opponent in an unranked game if you choose to do so by setting up a Custom. I will say that if we add this, the meter will remain On by default in each Gameplay Style. It does way too much to help the average user and making it go away by default would likely make the mode too hard.

I wouldn't expect the meter to be left on in any of the current gameplay types, and I would certainly have no problem going into a menu and turning it off, if that's what it takes. What I would be concerned about is Tour mode Online tournaments. It would be a big loss to me to not have the ability to turn the swing meter off in Tour mode play. I know that the vast majority wouldn't see turning the swing meter off as an unfair advantage to me, although I'll freely admit that I played better when I was successfully ignoring the meter.

I can also understand why meterless swings wouldn't fit the Ranked game category as a standard mode of play, but again, I would think it wouldn't be seen as an advantage to still have the ability for players to opt to turn it off for their player. I don't see it as being all that different from being able to select which of the four swing cameras we want to use, online or offline.

Anyway, it's encouraging to read that you are giving the meterless swing serious consideration!

[TheRyan12]

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And yes, based on telemetry we can tell that most users are very challenged by this style already. The average score to par for 18 holes in Tour right now is +13. We took out the top 15% and bottom 15% of scores and it was still +12. So yes, most users are finding the mode challenging and fun.

Could it be that most users, especially "advanced" users, are customizing the settings after a round or two and so aren't being included in the stock Tour telemetry? Do you have that sort of info?