Actual Golf: General Tourney discussion

[lowpaiddonkey10]

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I don't get this LIV tour at all. I understand the oil money involved and all but it isn't like these guys weren't making serious coin with the PGA. Without TV this will fail ultimately. Not like this is like the AFL and the WHA. What is the point of it all?

[MrArlingtonBeach]

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I don't get this LIV tour at all. I understand the oil money involved and all but it isn't like these guys weren't making serious coin with the PGA. Without TV this will fail ultimately. Not like this is like the AFL and the WHA. What is the point of it all?

For the players, it means fewer events to play, and money is all guaranteed/no cuts.

So a bigger payday for less work. Most of these guys are either past their prime, never had a prime, or are young and have no guarantee of success on the PGA Tour. It's all about the assured money without having to work really hard to get it.

Last year's US Am winner James Piot is playing in LIV. If he kept going in the PGA Tour track, he'd most likely have to play on the Korn Ferry Tour here soon to try to earn his PGA Tour card. Small paydays, lots of travel, etc.

Instead, from what I gathered, he's basically guaranteed to make almost a million dollars in the LIV no matter what, with more on top of that from the actual winnings he takes home in each event.

[ImTellinTim]

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apparently LIV offered Tiger a billion and he turned it down

it's interesting that the players can still play the majors anyway


edit: this is coming from ignorance so I apologize in advance, but what's so great about this league? I get the money aspect for the players, but why does the league itself want to pay so much? what do they get out of it? is there a bunch of kings and queens front and center to watch them knock balls around? that's what I've never understood

It's called sports washing, and it has been going on in soccer for years. I won't get too far into it, as it can spark political discussion, but there are plenty of articles out there on the topic.

Basically, this is being funded by an organization that is directly bankrolled by the Saudi government. You can go from there.

EDIT: I see this has already been touched on, sorry about that.

Patrick Reed and Bryson DeChambeau are rumored to be headed to the LIV next - https://twitter.com/TelegraphSport/s...96720872144898

This is all about Saudi "sportwashing", as they use their "Public Investment Fund" to spread their influence and try to "clean" their reputation via athletic events and leagues.

Will be interesting to see what the PGA Tour and these guys' sponsors do if more and more of their relevant names are lured by the money.

[jb12780]

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I refuse to believe the PGA Tour is hurting for cash. They’re gonna have to increase their purses. Simple as that.


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[lowpaiddonkey10]

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I can't see this being a success without a TV contract long term. You can bet that whichever network that gets on board the PGA will punish them severely.
I understand the more money for less pay aspect but I don't think it is good for the game long term.

[lowpaiddonkey10]

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apparently LIV offered Tiger a billion and he turned it down

it's interesting that the players can still play the majors anyway


edit: this is coming from ignorance so I apologize in advance, but what's so great about this league? I get the money aspect for the players, but why does the league itself want to pay so much? what do they get out of it? is there a bunch of kings and queens front and center to watch them knock balls around? that's what I've never understood

The US Open is not run by the PGA not sure what goes on with the Masters. The Open is not PGA only the PGA championship is run by the PGA of the 4 majors. If the players are allowed to play in the majors the tour will be in trouble.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

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I can't see this being a success without a TV contract long term. You can bet that whichever network that gets on board the PGA will punish them severely.
I understand the more money for less pay aspect but I don't think it is good for the game long term.

The PIF is sitting on essentially an unlimited amount of money ($600 billion dollars apparently, and probably rising quickly). They really don't need a TV network's money at all.

The thing that will make or break the LIV is the majors and the OWGR. If these events end up allowing for players to earn OWGR points, and these guys can still qualify for and play in majors, then this league could keep going long-term, with more guys making the jump over from other tours. There really won't be anything to stop it.

[ImTellinTim]

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The US Open is not run by the PGA not sure what goes on with the Masters. The Open is not PGA only the PGA championship is run by the PGA of the 4 majors. If the players are allowed to play in the majors the tour will be in trouble.

The PGA Championship is run by the Professional Golfers Association of America.

This is a separate entity from the PGA Tour. As such, the PGA Tour does not have any hand in saying who can or cannot play in the tournament.

EDIT: Also, the Masters is its own entity that loves the smell of its own farts.

[bigkev]

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Next thing we know, they're going to have their own golf game.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

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Next thing we know, they're going to have their own golf game.

At this rate, it would come out before either EA or 2K...

[Hornets4ColeAnthony]

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The Players is the PGA’s flagship event. Obviously not a major though.

[scagwi]

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apparently LIV offered Tiger a billion and he turned it down

Jesus - is that true?

I mean I know he's not hurting for money, but that is a number that anyone would struggle to say no to I would think

[kehlis]

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Jesus - is that true?

I mean I know he's not hurting for money, but that is a number that anyone would struggle to say no to I would think

I don't think anyone knows the exact number. It was reported to be 9 figures and I think everyone (probably correctly) assumed high 9 figures.

Tiger has been on record saying that at this point in his career the only thing that matters to him now is catching Jack (despite what our thread on OS says about those odds lol) and joining this tour could potentially put that in jeopardy as mentioned above.

That said - I would believe that all of these majors that could potentially say no to these players would change their mind quickly if it would bring Tiger to the field.



In general right now, it's attractive league to older players who don't find themselves in contention as much anymore and not even making cuts since it has no cuts and therefore pays out to every player each event.

I think someone above said the PGA needs to raise their purse and that's 100% accurate.

[l3ulvl]

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Patrick Reed and Bryson DeChambeau are rumored to be headed to the LIV next - https://twitter.com/TelegraphSport/s...96720872144898

This is all about Saudi "sportwashing", as they use their "Public Investment Fund" to spread their influence and try to "clean" their reputation via athletic events and leagues.

It's called sports washing, and it has been going on in soccer for years. I won't get too far into it, as it can spark political discussion, but there are plenty of articles out there on the topic.

Basically, this is being funded by an organization that is directly bankrolled by the Saudi government. You can go from there.

EDIT: I see this has already been touched on, sorry about that.



Will be interesting to see what the PGA Tour and these guys' sponsors do if more and more of their relevant names are lured by the money.

the more I read about sportswashing, the less I understand


it's weird, but I don't really understand politics either so I'm cool with dropping it

[golfnut67]

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I have been watching the LIV tournament for about an hour now...I absolutely hate the presentation and the graphics. It's ridiculous. They don't even spell out the full last names of the players on the leaderboard, which is compounded by the fact that most of us don't have a clue who most of these players are.

And the graphics themselves look like a 1990s Nintendo game. The "team logos" are goofy looking, the graphics themselves are pixilated, etc. It's just really dated and ugly looking.

I just had to check in on it to see what it's all about and to see how DJ and Phil were doing, but I can't imagine being very interested in LIV. It really sucks that it's taking some big name players off of the PGA tour.