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  • Jitter1127
    Rookie
    • May 2020
    • 35

    #106
    Re: PGA TOUR 2K21 Gameplay Video (IGN)

    Originally posted by OnlookerDelay
    You want to read something about this that will make you really sad? Read this interchange I had with Andrew Jones, Executive Producer of Perfect Golf:

    Me: Take-Two Interactive did acquire the rights to Links. They were in the process of creating what would have been called "Links 2007" for the XBox 360, when the project was canceled. I was in an e-mail exchange with Daryl Welsh, who was the producer of Links 2004, in 2006. He was working for Microsoft Corporate at that time, but was still staying in contact with the 2K Sport team that was developing the game.

    2K Sports was only a couple of months away from publishing Links 2007 for the 360, when Take-Two Interactive (2K Sports parent company) decided to close up shop with Indie Games (Links 2004 and 2007 developers). From what I understand, Links 2007 was said to be a landmark golf game, which would have been to the 360 what Links 2004 was to the XBox. It pains me to know that an 80% complete version of Links 2007 is languishing on somebody's hard drive right now, but it wouldn't more than a museum piece today in comparison to Perfect Golf.


    Andrew Jones: I actually had advanced conversations with Take 2 following the closure of Indie and they had agreed to give me the source code to Links 2007 on the condition that we released what we did as a community add on similar to what we had done with the MOD. The problem was when they closed the studios they just dumped all the stuff into boxes and warehoused it and they were not willing to spend the money to go through everything just to find me the source code...

    Does that not break your heart!? I know it rips me up even when I see it today, and this from over four years ago that we had the conversation. Heck, I'd have paid the money to go through everything and find that code! As good as Links 2004 looked and played on the original XBox, I can't imagine what they had accomplished with it but I bet it would have been a sight to behold!

    I have not heard this story before, but I knew Andrew and a few other were working with perfect golf. I think one of the main problems was at the time Tiger Woods was huge and MS could not compete or have the licenses that EA had. It is definitely horrible that they could not be bothered to find the code. Surely they had it on some type of electronic backup that was not that difficult to find. We cant even get a new mario golf on the switch right now I have no idea what is going on.

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    • scagwi
      MVP
      • Aug 2015
      • 2722

      #107
      Re: PGA TOUR 2K21 Gameplay Video (IGN)

      I see 2K announced a price hike for next gen console games...

      I wonder if EA will follow suit… I would imagine so…

      Maybe that will help them justify getting back into golf.

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      • pietasterp
        All Star
        • Feb 2004
        • 6245

        #108
        Re: PGA TOUR 2K21 Gameplay Video (IGN)

        Originally posted by scagwi
        I see 2K announced a price hike for next gen console games...

        I wonder if EA will follow suit… I would imagine so…

        Maybe that will help them justify getting back into golf.
        So I guess a $20 NFL2K21 is out....

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        • scagwi
          MVP
          • Aug 2015
          • 2722

          #109
          Re: PGA TOUR 2K21 Gameplay Video (IGN)

          I’m mostly fine with the price increase for truly AAA games.

          They really haven’t kept pace with inflation as one might have expected.

          That said, to me now EA and 2K need to step up these offerings a bit more for the next console generation. For instance it’s time for EA to truly reimagine the NHL games.

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          • pietasterp
            All Star
            • Feb 2004
            • 6245

            #110
            Re: PGA TOUR 2K21 Gameplay Video (IGN)

            I don't disagree, considering games were $50-60 as far back as 20-30 years ago already. But if they're going to up the cost, I do think that will signal to consumers that they need to up the quality as well. I'm not confident that will happen.

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            • lowpaiddonkey10
              MVP
              • Oct 2017
              • 2163

              #111
              Re: PGA TOUR 2K21 Gameplay Video (IGN)

              I would imagine it costs a lot more to produce AAA titles now than it did 20-30 years ago but rarely did a studio release a game that wasn't finished unlike today. Graphics on the whole are a lot better of course but in most cases the quality of the experience has gone down.

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              • scagwi
                MVP
                • Aug 2015
                • 2722

                #112
                Re: PGA TOUR 2K21 Gameplay Video (IGN)

                Someone on the HB forum commented about this in much the same way I think about it..

                Essentially, there is too much "release it at 80/90%" and "maybe we'll patch it later". Even worse, one wonders/worries that they end up deciding "how much to do" in patching based upon sales once it's already out.

                It's a complete path to nowhere.

                You have people waiting for patches for functionality/issues before buying the game and the company itself watching initial sales to, at least partially, gauge how much effort to put in moving forward.

                At least way back when, patching was much more challenging post release and thus the care that went into the released product was much higher.

                I can imagine some would use the above as a rationale to defend "pre-ordering"... I would look at it exactly in reverse in that you'd be "pre-rewarding" HB for, to this point, showing us a rather underwhelming product given that they want a completely new full purchase all over again -- instead of just a $15-20 DLC pack for 2019....which many of us have argued is what 2k21 really is/should have been.
                Last edited by scagwi; 07-04-2020, 11:45 AM.

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                • OnlookerDelay
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 3450

                  #113
                  Re: PGA TOUR 2K21 Gameplay Video (IGN)

                  Originally posted by scagwi
                  Someone on the HB forum commented about this in much the same way I think about it..

                  Essentially, there is too much "release it at 80/90%" and "maybe we'll patch it later". Even worse, one wonders/worries that they end up deciding "how much to do" in patching based upon sales once it's already out.

                  It's a complete path to nowhere.

                  You have people waiting for patches for functionality/issues before buying the game and the company itself watching initial sales to, at least partially, gauge how much effort to put in moving forward.

                  At least way back when, patching was much more challenging post release and thus the care that went into the released product was much higher.

                  I can imagine some would use the above as a rationale to defend "pre-ordering"... I would look at it exactly in reverse in that you'd be "pre-rewarding" HB for, to this point, showing us a rather underwhelming product given that they want a completely new full purchase all over again -- instead of just a $15-20 DLC pack for 2019....which many of us have argued is what 2k21 really is/should have been.
                  The whole issue of retail price on computer and video games is almost lost on my anymore. The only games I've just had to have on launch day at full retail price over the last five or six years has been: Forza 7, The Golf Club (2 & 2019), and Perfect Golf. I can see that a next-gen, AAA game that truly tapped the power of the next gen consoles would be worth $69.99, but a Unity based PGA TOUR 2K21 wouldn't fit that bill, unless they were somehow able to overcome whatever limitation Unity has that results in these substandard player models.

                  I'll buy a $69.99 Forza 8, MSFS 2020, Virtual Golf 2 (Perfect Golf 2, if it ever gets beyond Trackman launch simulator use) and a MLB 2021: The Show (the only team sports game going right now that I think is worth its salt). The rest, I'll wait on the first or second price cut.
                  Duke Football? Hell yes it's Duke Football! --- Coach Cutcliffe

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                  • daflyboys
                    Banned
                    • May 2003
                    • 18238

                    #114
                    Re: PGA TOUR 2K21 Gameplay Video (IGN)

                    Originally posted by pietasterp
                    So I guess a $20 NFL2K21 is out....
                    I know you're joking around ..... but springboarding off this to say that the build up has been so long, people would probably pay $79.99 and $99.99 if it included a single blade of "grass" from this past SB.

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                    • MrArlingtonBeach
                      MVP
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 4530

                      #115
                      Re: PGA TOUR 2K21 Gameplay Video (IGN)

                      I just noticed this little nugget on the PGA 2K21 website that I hadn't seen before, or seen anyone mention...bad news for all of the aspiring course designers that have a Nintendo Switch:

                      "BUILD YOUR MYPLAYER & DREAM COURSE
                      Create and personalize your MyPLAYER with equipment and apparel from brands you love. Design your ultimate course with 1,000s of custom options.*

                      *Course Designer is not available on the Nintendo Switch."

                      Even better? The Switch version is still listed for $60 on the site. Fewer features, same cost. Nice.
                      Last edited by MrArlingtonBeach; 07-06-2020, 10:50 AM.
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                      • lowpaiddonkey10
                        MVP
                        • Oct 2017
                        • 2163

                        #116
                        Re: PGA TOUR 2K21 Gameplay Video (IGN)

                        The only way I see them showing increased sales on this game is a move to turn off the servers on the older games. Caught between the $hit and the stink here. User created courses is the biggest selling point but once you dump the archaic engine its game over. Sports gaming is not in a good place now.

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                        • MrArlingtonBeach
                          MVP
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 4530

                          #117
                          Re: PGA TOUR 2K21 Gameplay Video (IGN)

                          Someone on the TGC Tours Forums posted a great question to go along with the lack of the designer on the Switch:

                          What courses the Switch users will get to play on their version of the game? Will they have access to the courses built on Xbox One, PS4, and PC? Or will they just get to play the "official" courses?
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                          • bigkev
                            Pro
                            • Apr 2019
                            • 912

                            #118
                            Re: PGA TOUR 2K21 Gameplay Video (IGN)

                            My guest is the Switch guys will have access to all the users created courses.

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                            • OnlookerDelay
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 3450

                              #119
                              Re: PGA TOUR 2K21 Gameplay Video (IGN)

                              Originally posted by MrArlingtonBeach
                              Someone on the TGC Tours Forums posted a great question to go along with the lack of the designer on the Switch:

                              What courses the Switch users will get to play on their version of the game? Will they have access to the courses built on Xbox One, PS4, and PC? Or will they just get to play the "official" courses?
                              I think Shaun West's reply to the question, from the Reddit Q & A, about whether cross-play would be offered answers this question:

                              "There will not be any crossplay, but courses designed by our community can be shared across all platforms. Users will be able to import their courses from The Golf Club 2019 and edit them with the new tools and assets available before publishing them in PGA TOUR 2K21."
                              Duke Football? Hell yes it's Duke Football! --- Coach Cutcliffe

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                              • MrArlingtonBeach
                                MVP
                                • Feb 2009
                                • 4530

                                #120
                                Re: PGA TOUR 2K21 Gameplay Video (IGN)

                                That's at least a sliver of good news for the Switch users...even though they are still being asked to pay full price for a game missing one of the features standard on other consoles.
                                Last edited by MrArlingtonBeach; 07-06-2020, 03:08 PM.
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