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  • VoltSwoosh
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    • Jun 2021
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    #151
    Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

    Imagine EA goes for the kill shot and give us a create a course system on frostbite…. My goodness that would be something.

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    • scagwi
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      • Aug 2015
      • 2718

      #152
      Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

      Originally posted by VoltSwoosh
      Imagine EA goes for the kill shot and give us a create a course system on frostbite…. My goodness that would be something.
      As much as I'd love that, I don't see it happening (at all).

      What I really wish for, even above a designer though, is a PC version

      I put the chances of either of those happening at less than 10%

      PC version maybe 5% and Frostbite course designer at 0.5%

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      • bigkev
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        • Apr 2019
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        #153
        Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

        Kind of weird to read getting a new gen console at $500 to play a golf game is about the same as buying a 6-pack of beer... while just about everybody is complaining about inflation, cost of living, interest rate going up, can barely afford to put gas in their car, and can't afford to buy beef anymore... guess most gamers are just swimming in money.

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        • VoltSwoosh
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          • Jun 2021
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          #154
          It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

          Originally posted by scagwi
          As much as I'd love that, I don't see it happening (at all).

          What I really wish for, even above a designer though, is a PC version

          I put the chances of either of those happening at less than 10%

          PC version maybe 5% and Frostbite course designer at 0.5%


          Oh I didn’t mean to come across as thinking it will happen, I don’t see it at all. But boy would it be a pleasant shock.
          Last edited by VoltSwoosh; 05-18-2022, 02:27 PM.

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          • scagwi
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            • Aug 2015
            • 2718

            #155
            Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

            Originally posted by bigkev
            Kind of weird to read getting a new gen console at $500 to play a golf game is about the same as buying a 6-pack of beer...

            huh?

            What are you referring to?

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            • bigkev
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              • Apr 2019
              • 912

              #156
              Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

              Originally posted by scagwi
              huh?

              What are you referring to?

              The new $500 console is going to be a deal breaker for those who wants to only play a golf game. Specially since they can buy a new golf game at 2K on their consoles. The same way it was for those who refused to buy an expensive (back then) PS4 console and kept playing TW12 to TW14 on their PS3. Others won't even buy a game if it's not on PC.

              Now for those playing multi-genre games, that's something else.

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              • scagwi
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                • Aug 2015
                • 2718

                #157
                Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

                Originally posted by bigkev
                The new $500 console is going to be a deal breaker for those who wants to only play a golf game.
                A few thoughts.

                1. The # of people who play *only* a golf game, I would bet is extremely small and really not a factor to worry about if you are one of these gaming companies.

                2. If the EA game brings enough to the table to justify and utilize the current gen(PS5/XBSX) technologies and performance, any gamer wanting the best of the best will be hard pressed to not consider it.

                3. When EA's game releases, the current consoles will be over two YEARS old. At some point, it's just time to move on from last gen, and 2.5 years in, pandemic stuff aside, is time to move on.

                4. EA, building a new golf game (first one in 8 years for them) that will release 2.5 years into a console cycle -- absoLUTELY should be targeting current gen and beyond only. The calculus is obviously different here for 2K as they have an existing game.

                5. I totally understand folks not wanting to buy a new console, but c'mon -- the EA game will release 2 and half years into this console generation. You can't and shouldn't expect them to support last gen at that point. That's unrealistic for a user to expect that.
                Last edited by scagwi; 05-18-2022, 03:13 PM.

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                • scagwi
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                  • Aug 2015
                  • 2718

                  #158
                  Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

                  @bigkev

                  What was the "6 pack of beer" reference about?

                  Every single new game for all the consoles costs way more than a 6 pack of beer.

                  What does that have to do with new/old consoles, etc?
                  I don't get it

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                  • MrArlingtonBeach
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                    • Feb 2009
                    • 4530

                    #159
                    Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

                    Originally posted by scagwi
                    A few thoughts.

                    1. The # of people who play *only* a golf game, I would bet is extremely small and really not a factor to worry about if you are one of these gaming companies.

                    2. If the EA game brings enough to the table to justify and utilize the current gen(PS5/XBSX) technologies and performance, any gamer wanting the best of the best will be hard pressed to not consider it.

                    3. When EA's game releases, the current consoles will be over two YEARS old. At some point, it's just time to move on from last gen, and 2.5 years in, pandemic stuff aside, is time to move on.

                    4. EA, building a new golf game (first one in 8 years for them) that will release 2.5 years into a console cycle -- absoLUTELY should be targeting current gen and beyond only. The calculus is obviously different here for 2K as they have an existing game.

                    5. I totally understand folks not wanting to buy a new console, but c'mon -- the EA game will release 2 and half years into this console generation. You can't and shouldn't expect them to support last gen at that point. That's unrealistic for a user to expect that.
                    I understand and even agree with most of this...but this has not been the normal launch of a new console generation. Sure, new consoles are hard to get at first in many cases, but the pandemic/chip shortage/supply chain issues are creating a deficit in consoles that is not normal and is going to be a sustained problem for a long time.

                    As you said, we're almost 2 years into a new generation of gaming systems, and the executives for those companies are already saying demand won't be met for another year...at least.

                    This also means that these newer consoles are not going to be dropping in price anytime soon. Typically, I'd expect a possible price drop on the next-gen consoles in time for this holiday season - two years into its life cycle. Sony did this with PS4, releasing it in Nov. 2013 with the first price drop happening in Oct. 2015, I believe. But this has been anything but a typical scenario.

                    I would bet that next-gen console prices won't go down for at least another couple of years...as by that time, consumer demand might actually be met and sales need a boost.
                    Last edited by MrArlingtonBeach; 05-18-2022, 03:31 PM.
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                    • scagwi
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                      • Aug 2015
                      • 2718

                      #160
                      Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

                      Originally posted by MrArlingtonBeach
                      As you said, we're almost 2 years into a new generation of gaming systems, and the executives for those companies are already saying demand won't be met for another year...at least.
                      Remember though, "demand not being met" ≠ "can't get one"

                      That part has been gettin better already, especially on the XB side.

                      The EA game might get delayed again next year too, who knows! I think they'll release then, as no matter where we are now, 10 months from now more people will have current gen consoles than now (that's simply a fact) and it likely will be a least a little easier to get one (if not a lot easier).

                      We've pounded this into the ground and for no real reason.

                      The overriding point about the EA game specifically is that "they are making an all new game" -- they absolutely should be targeting current gen consoles only given their timeline here.

                      Other than avoiding having to try to buy a new console, I don't even know why one would be excited for a "new" game that works on old consoles. By definition that type of game is likely held back a little as a result, unless it's been specifically designed to scale up/down really well (a la MSFS)

                      For 2K, I get it, since they have a game out now.

                      But it doesn't like "excite me" that they might be releasing a new game late this year or early next year that is still constrained by old/last gen concerns and performance.

                      Golf games are so few and far between releases, that I always want them pushing the bleeding edge as much as possible -- but that's me -- and we are all different.
                      Last edited by scagwi; 05-18-2022, 03:34 PM.

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                      • MrArlingtonBeach
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 4530

                        #161
                        Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

                        Originally posted by scagwi
                        Remember though, "demand not being met" ≠ "can't get one"

                        That part has been gettin better already, especially on the XB side.

                        Let's all just stop the fear, uncertainty and doubt.

                        The EA game might get delayed again next year too, who knows! I think they'll release then, as no matter where we are now, 10 months from now more people will have current gen consoles than now (that's simply a fact) and it likely will be a least a little easier to get one (if not a lot easier).

                        We've pounded this into the ground and for no real reason.

                        The overriding point about the EA game specifically is that "they are making an all new game" -- they absolutely should be targeting current gen consoles only given their timeline here.
                        Yep, again I agree with a lot of this. But it is a huge factor in both golf games' success.

                        2K, who will likely release their game on next- and last-gen consoles, and who will likely get their game out months before EA's, will have a decided advantage when it comes to capturing the customer who wants a golf game. Simply put, they will be the first one out there.

                        EA, who has been out of the golf scene for so long they have no other option than to go all next-gen, not only has to face 2K's game as competition, they have to depend only on the systems which have not been able to be produced and available in any kind of normal amounts up to this point. Things will improve, but will people who bought a golf game already back in August 2022 (if 2K hits that release time) want to buy a brand new game again in Spring 2023...especially if those who bought the game in August only have a last-gen console?

                        It's an interesting scenario that's going to impact the future of golf video games in the short and long term. If 2K23 releases and is a total dud, EA could reap a huge benefit as people will be clamoring for a good golf game once again.

                        But if 2K23 gets praise and the Tiger Woods add is a valuable one, EA could have to fight tooth and nail to put a game out there that justifies next-gen console purchases and would also ask golf video game players to buy a second golf game in less than a year. Augusta will help, but is it enough?
                        Last edited by MrArlingtonBeach; 05-18-2022, 03:43 PM.
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                        • scagwi
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                          • Aug 2015
                          • 2718

                          #162
                          Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

                          Originally posted by MrArlingtonBeach
                          Yep, again I agree with a lot of this. But it is a huge factor in both golf games' success.

                          2K, who will likely release their game on next- and last-gen consoles, and who will likely get their game out months before EA's, will have a decided advantage when it comes to capturing the customer who wants a golf game. Simply put, they will be the first one out there.
                          You're assuming the "new" game is really a big leap..

                          2k21 is sitting there for folks, right now

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                          • scagwi
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                            • Aug 2015
                            • 2718

                            #163
                            Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

                            I feel like some are just "anti-EA" no matter what.

                            I don't get it, but to each our own.

                            For my part, I'll say that I'm in no way anti 2k (NHL 2k was one of my favorite set of games, ever!)...

                            What I'm not interested in anymore though is the current version of golf they've put out (well, really HB's golf I mean). I don't why I don't like it -- it just doesn't resonate with me and feels stale at this point.

                            I'm very open to what they might be doing next though, as this is the first version with them "owning" HB and then the unknown of the Tiger influence piece.

                            If it's truly just evolutionary from 2k21, it won't capture me at all.

                            I think I'm more excited about the EA game just due to the graphics I expect and the already announced licensed content -- and a commitment to a new swing (didn't love the Rory one as much as previous efforts).

                            I so badly want a blisteringly gorgeous golf game -- finally. I'm just getting old and really want a golf game that uses, truly, what's possible with modern hardware and technologies.
                            Last edited by scagwi; 05-18-2022, 03:47 PM.

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                            • scagwi
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2015
                              • 2718

                              #164
                              Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

                              Anyhow, I'm just rambling at this point and not really even on topic of this particular thread...



                              lol

                              I'll bow out for a bit
                              Cheers to all

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                              • MrArlingtonBeach
                                MVP
                                • Feb 2009
                                • 4530

                                #165
                                Re: It now seems logical we will get PGA Tour 2k23 this year

                                Originally posted by scagwi
                                You're assuming the "new" game is really a big leap..

                                2k21 is sitting there for folks, right now
                                The assumption is that Tiger Woods will be in 2K23, given the hype around his deal. So that's already a pretty notable update that would bring some added interest. And of course, there's probably more, but we won't know that until whenever 2K/HB decides to share it...haha!

                                Another factor is TGC Tours. While not a humongous percentage of players, it is a devoted group. And the new season of TGCT usually moves to the next HB game once that gets released. So if people want to keep playing TGCT, they will have to get 2K23.

                                And isn't that how many of us are thinking about EA's golf game, too? We have no idea what that will look like, either. Next-gen graphics? Sure, has to be. Gameplay? Who knows? Course list? Sounds good right now...but is there a course creator, or will more be added? What will DLC look like...and how much will it cost?

                                A lot of unknowns...really wish these companies would start sharing something...anything...

                                And yes, some are anti-EA for no reason...but others are anti-EA for some pretty good reasons. I don't dislike EA or 2K. But neither are perfect. 2K baseball back in the day upset me very much, since they killed EA's MVP Baseball. And Madden is an on-going pain-point for me, too...not to mention the damage done by Rory. Both companies have their warts.
                                Last edited by MrArlingtonBeach; 05-18-2022, 03:55 PM.
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