Luke Elvy appears to confirm PGA2k23 coming in August in radio interview

[VoltSwoosh]

Luke Elvy appears to confirm PGA2k23 coming in August in radio interview

Why would they put his name on the product without his input? They literally have an exclusive deal with him. Nothing has been released saying the deal is off. I feel that’d be all over the internet if that were the case.

Simple. Tiger Woods name and image on the cover and to be used in marketing.

Doesn’t mean he has to help with the game much. Not like he’s a dev after all.

Not sure why you think Tiger not being involved with the development would insinuate the deal is canceled.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

Re: Luke Elvy appears to confirm PGA2k23 coming in August in radio interview

I think that's the least they can do with Tiger.

He's also been involved in course design, and with the in-game course designer as 2K's main calling card, I'd love to see some kind of integration there. Not exactly sure what that would look like...maybe tutorials and things like that?

Also, Tiger develops those PopStroke courses - https://popstroke.com/. Would like to see those in the game, too...why not?

I think TW's involvement is going to be more on the side of "content", in terms of a Tiger Career Mode or something like EA did a while back. Play important moments in TW's career, unlock his gear/apparel/items/etc. I'm sure he can also add some thoughts on animations, gameplay, physics, etc.

I don't know why they'd sign a deal with him only to slap his face on the cover and leave it at that. This is the wording from the press release of the 2K/Tiger deal:

"Woods’ partnership with 2K includes rights for his name and likeness to appear exclusively in the PGA TOUR 2K franchise, as well as any other golf games published by 2K during the partnership term. Woods will play an active role in the video game landscape as an Executive Director and consultant with PGA TOUR 2K..."

Seems it's more than just a likeness thing...he's involved in the development, too.

[lowpaiddonkey10]

Re: Luke Elvy appears to confirm PGA2k23 coming in August in radio interview

Development? Don't know dude. As far as the course designer goes there are quite a few people who provide fantastic layouts with what is available now.

Unless they go to a swing mechanic that ends up being similar to what EA did with foot position two sticks required where you strike the ball I don't see much if anything changing here.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

Re: Luke Elvy appears to confirm PGA2k23 coming in August in radio interview

Development? Don't know dude. As far as the course designer goes there are quite a few people who provide fantastic layouts with what is available now.

Unless they go to a swing mechanic that ends up being similar to what EA did with foot position two sticks required where you strike the ball I don't see much if anything changing here.

Again, I don't get why you'd sign a deal with Tiger, slap his face on the box, and that would be it. Especially when the terms "Executive Director" and "consultant" are being used. That's more than just a spokesperson or a marketing tool...those are more hands-on roles. And it seems Tiger doesn't half-*** anything in his life, so I'd assume he would put in the work, whatever that may be. At the same time, I'm not saying the guy will actually be working as a dev would...but I think he will be working WITH the devs during the development process.

As far as the course designer, I am not necessarily talking about actual Tiger Woods courses in there (although that would be kind of neat, I suppose)...I mean in terms of content related to the designer. Since Woods designs courses in real life, perhaps he could be used to provide design tutorials, tips, hints, and other things like that to help newer designers. PGA 2K21 has NO in-depth tutorial on how to start building a course. It's quite overwhelming if you're in there for the first time. And don't forget, the old The Golf Club games used to have the name of Greg Norman(!) attached to their in-game course designer...

I think the PopStroke courses would add some "casual" fun to the game...would be different than the norm.

I still don't see them only using TW has the cover boy and leaving it at that. If that's what they do, then they'd be wasting a huge opportunity.

[kehlis]

Re: Luke Elvy appears to confirm PGA2k23 coming in August in radio interview

What kind of input do you really expect Woods to have on a video game? Yeah there are parts of the swing mechanic that don't make any sense and any problems that have been ongoing with the game like drop zones and leaderboards are already known to the developers. So the default avatar is Tiger's swing. Really what else could he possible bring to the table?



While the game looks decent it needs an update to the items the course creators have at their disposal. Rocks grasses buildings that kind of thing.

He was heavily involved with every aspect of the EA games. Every single mode and part of the game required his sign off.

[lowpaiddonkey10]

Re: Luke Elvy appears to confirm PGA2k23 coming in August in radio interview

The upcoming game will be the fifth iteration in this series. Do you really see this game changing much? Yeah it would be great if Tiger had a lot of input in the results of the swing mechanic but I don't see it. I hope I am wrong we will see.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

Re: Luke Elvy appears to confirm PGA2k23 coming in August in radio interview

The upcoming game will be the fifth iteration in this series. Do you really see this game changing much? Yeah it would be great if Tiger had a lot of input in the results of the swing mechanic but I don't see it. I hope I am wrong we will see.

Try to compare TGC1 to PGA 2K21 and see how much has changed from them to now. Even TGC19 to 2K21 is quite a bit of a jump.

I guess I don't see why, after PGA 2K21 sold over 2.5 million copies, would they go out of the way to sign Tiger Woods to what one would assume to have been a lucrative deal as an Executive Director and consultant, only for them to say, "Tiger, we don't need you to do anything other than smile for the cover photo."

Why would 2K do that? They could easily make marginal updates to 2K21 and call it a day, leaving TW out of the equation.

And when you look at Tiger's track record as part of a sponsorship or marketing endeavor, he's not that kind of spokesman that shills something that he's not involved in. He doesn't just go around throwing his likeness and name on things that he's not a part of at an in-depth level. He's not like other athletes who show up on every other TV ad, selling pain medication and car insurance and delivery pizza, etc...

From all indications, when Tiger signs up for something, he's all in and is a big part of the creative work.

[bigkev]

Re: Luke Elvy appears to confirm PGA2k23 coming in August in radio interview

Maybe there will be working leaderboard, something Tiger could find totally inacceptable for a game with his name on it.

[goillini03]

Re: Luke Elvy appears to confirm PGA2k23 coming in August in radio interview

Try to compare TGC1 to PGA 2K21 and see how much has changed from them to now. Even TGC19 to 2K21 is quite a bit of a jump.

I guess I don't see why, after PGA 2K21 sold over 2.5 million copies, would they go out of the way to sign Tiger Woods to what one would assume to have been a lucrative deal as an Executive Director and consultant, only for them to say, "Tiger, we don't need you to do anything other than smile for the cover photo."

Why would 2K do that? They could easily make marginal updates to 2K21 and call it a day, leaving TW out of the equation.

And when you look at Tiger's track record as part of a sponsorship or marketing endeavor, he's not that kind of spokesman that shills something that he's not involved in. He doesn't just go around throwing his likeness and name on things that he's not a part of at an in-depth level. He's not like other athletes who show up on every other TV ad, selling pain medication and car insurance and delivery pizza, etc...

From all indications, when Tiger signs up for something, he's all in and is a big part of the creative work.

No sports games need to have cover athletes, but they all do upon release. Sometimes it is just a marketing thing. And if 2K knew EA was coming back, why not nab the marketing likeness of Woods? I am not saying you are wrong with his involvement, but most of the the time likeness is just marketing.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

Re: Luke Elvy appears to confirm PGA2k23 coming in August in radio interview

No sports games need to have cover athletes, but they all do upon release. Sometimes it is just a marketing thing. And if 2K knew EA was coming back, why not nab the marketing likeness of Woods? I am not saying you are wrong with his involvement, but most of the the time likeness is just marketing.

True. But most of the time, the cover athlete isn't specifically given the roles of "Executive Director" and "Consultant", and signed to a long-term deal that places he/she in the series for many years to come as the face of the franchise.

It's well-known that Tiger was hands-on with EA's golf games in the past. Yes, things have changed since those EA games, but he's also still Tiger Woods, the same perfectionist who needed to sign off on all aspects of those previous golf games. He's not going to sit around idly while a game is made with his likeness all over it without having any say or input. I just don't see that happening.

I think the whole reason he even signed a deal with 2K in the first place, aside from the fact that they're helping with his foundation, is that he has creative input and control. I would assume that he wouldn't get back into games unless he has the same or similar level of hands-on interaction with the game's creation as he did in the past with EA. Here's another quote from Tiger himself in that press release:

“I am looking forward to making my return to the video game landscape, and with 2K and HB Studios, I’ve found the right partners to make it happen,” said Tiger Woods. “I’m honored to take part in this opportunity and look forward to sharing my expertise and insights as we build the future of golf video games together.”

[golfnut67]

Re: Luke Elvy appears to confirm PGA2k23 coming in August in radio interview

I think Arlington and a couple of others who have chimed in here are exactly right. Nothing in Tiger's past indicates he's just taking a million bucks or whatever to let them put his face on the cover. He just turned down a billion dollars to join LIV (and I get that with him it's not just that he's already a billionaire and doesn't need the money, it's about the PGA, legacy, tradition, etc).

I think it's *very* safe to say that he, as a player, and as a consultant, designer, and generally a "final stamp" guy is going to be all over this game. Even if it's still in the old engine, and in fact ESPECIALLY if it's still in the old Unity engine for one final cycle, the only thing 2k can really do at this point is fix the leaderboards, improve the graphics and crowds, even incrementally (add caddies?), and then use the money they spent with Tiger to let him advise and consult his way through every aspect of this game, to make it the final finished product that 2k21 could have been 2 years ago given more time, money, and his input.

I'm convinced it's not going to be a next gen product, and I'm fine with that. But I'm with Arlington and others who have studied and seen what Tiger's influence and stamp is on the EA games. He's never been, and especially NOW, is not in a place in his life where he's just going to sell his likeness for the cover of a video game for a couple mil. No way.

I think we should all be very hopeful for a massive upgrade to 2k21 very soon, and then of course we will all be salivating for Spring 23 for EA. Best position us golf gamers have been in for more than half a decade. I think they will both succeed in their own way, and we will have 2 very different, but excellent games to enjoy for the next 2 years.

How can ya not be happy about that scenario playing out?

[VoltSwoosh]

Re: Luke Elvy appears to confirm PGA2k23 coming in August in radio interview

I think Arlington and a couple of others who have chimed in here are exactly right. Nothing in Tiger's past indicates he's just taking a million bucks or whatever to let them put his face on the cover. He just turned down a billion dollars to join LIV (and I get that with him it's not just that he's already a billionaire and doesn't need the money, it's about the PGA, legacy, tradition, etc).



I think it's *very* safe to say that he, as a player, and as a consultant, designer, and generally a "final stamp" guy is going to be all over this game. Even if it's still in the old engine, and in fact ESPECIALLY if it's still in the old Unity engine for one final cycle, the only thing 2k can really do at this point is fix the leaderboards, improve the graphics and crowds, even incrementally (add caddies?), and then use the money they spent with Tiger to let him advise and consult his way through every aspect of this game, to make it the final finished product that 2k21 could have been 2 years ago given more time, money, and his input.



I'm convinced it's not going to be a next gen product, and I'm fine with that. But I'm with Arlington and others who have studied and seen what Tiger's influence and stamp is on the EA games. He's never been, and especially NOW, is not in a place in his life where he's just going to sell his likeness for the cover of a video game for a couple mil. No way.



I think we should all be very hopeful for a massive upgrade to 2k21 very soon, and then of course we will all be salivating for Spring 23 for EA. Best position us golf gamers have been in for more than half a decade. I think they will both succeed in their own way, and we will have 2 very different, but excellent games to enjoy for the next 2 years.



How can ya not be happy about that scenario playing out?

Let’s hope it’s the same way 10 years later with 2K.

[jbd345]

Re: Luke Elvy appears to confirm PGA2k23 coming in August in radio interview

I think Arlington and a couple of others who have chimed in here are exactly right. Nothing in Tiger's past indicates he's just taking a million bucks or whatever to let them put his face on the cover. He just turned down a billion dollars to join LIV (and I get that with him it's not just that he's already a billionaire and doesn't need the money, it's about the PGA, legacy, tradition, etc).

I think it's *very* safe to say that he, as a player, and as a consultant, designer, and generally a "final stamp" guy is going to be all over this game. Even if it's still in the old engine, and in fact ESPECIALLY if it's still in the old Unity engine for one final cycle, the only thing 2k can really do at this point is fix the leaderboards, improve the graphics and crowds, even incrementally (add caddies?), and then use the money they spent with Tiger to let him advise and consult his way through every aspect of this game, to make it the final finished product that 2k21 could have been 2 years ago given more time, money, and his input.

I'm convinced it's not going to be a next gen product, and I'm fine with that. But I'm with Arlington and others who have studied and seen what Tiger's influence and stamp is on the EA games. He's never been, and especially NOW, is not in a place in his life where he's just going to sell his likeness for the cover of a video game for a couple mil. No way.

I think we should all be very hopeful for a massive upgrade to 2k21 very soon, and then of course we will all be salivating for Spring 23 for EA. Best position us golf gamers have been in for more than half a decade. I think they will both succeed in their own way, and we will have 2 very different, but excellent games to enjoy for the next 2 years.

How can ya not be happy about that scenario playing out?

Your last bit is exactly what I don’t get. Who cares if someone prefers 2k over EA or vice versa. At the end of the day 2k will make ea better and ea will make 2k better. That’s what competition does.

[VoltSwoosh]

Re: Luke Elvy appears to confirm PGA2k23 coming in August in radio interview

Your last bit is exactly what I don’t get. Who cares if someone prefers 2k over EA or vice versa. At the end of the day 2k will make ea better and ea will make 2k better. That’s what competition does.

It’s going to be amazing when both games are finally on shelf’s and we can move past the speculation.

Seems like forever ago that 2K21 came out.

[lowpaiddonkey10]

Re: Luke Elvy appears to confirm PGA2k23 coming in August in radio interview

Try to compare TGC1 to PGA 2K21 and see how much has changed from them to now. Even TGC19 to 2K21 is quite a bit of a jump.

I guess I don't see why, after PGA 2K21 sold over 2.5 million copies, would they go out of the way to sign Tiger Woods to what one would assume to have been a lucrative deal as an Executive Director and consultant, only for them to say, "Tiger, we don't need you to do anything other than smile for the cover photo."

Why would 2K do that? They could easily make marginal updates to 2K21 and call it a day, leaving TW out of the equation.

And when you look at Tiger's track record as part of a sponsorship or marketing endeavor, he's not that kind of spokesman that shills something that he's not involved in. He doesn't just go around throwing his likeness and name on things that he's not a part of at an in-depth level. He's not like other athletes who show up on every other TV ad, selling pain medication and car insurance and delivery pizza, etc...

From all indications, when Tiger signs up for something, he's all in and is a big part of the creative work.

21 is the best game no doubt but the results of the swing don't make perfect sense. Hopefully Woods' input will iron this out. I wait to see what good his input has on the game this time around. He is not a developer and there have been a lot of ideas thrown around on this and other message boards about what effect swing path open face closed face swing speed should have on the shot. Do they need Woods to tell them that?