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Re: PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions Thread
Same problem on Series S. Only solution for me was reboot game every time or play courses with minimal objects. Didn’t want to do that so I eliminated the tempo and now much better and I’m enjoying the game more playing on a higher skill level, master. You might want to give it a try. When the game is lagging like this tempo is impossible anyway.Comment
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Re: PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions Thread
Just got an email directly from 2k advertising 35 percent off for the game. I know it's black Friday season but it seems it's not a good sign sales-wise for them to already discount a game 35 percent a month after release. Hmmm...Comment
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Re: PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions Thread
I know this isn't scientific, but it would seem that Twitch viewers of a game would be a good barometer of how interested people are in it, or how strong a following is around a game. Well, here's PGA 2K23 right at this minute:
For comparison sake, Madden 23 has 3,800 viewers, NBA 2K23 has 4,300 viewers, and FIFA 23 has 11,000 viewers.
Just for fun...I looked up how many people are watching streams of NCAA Football 14...and it's 102. So a college football game from almost 10 years ago is getting only 85 fewer viewers than a golf game released one month ago.Last edited by MrArlingtonBeach; 11-22-2022, 10:55 PM.Orbis Non SuficitComment
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Re: PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions Thread
Interesting. To put it more in context, do you happen to know the numbers for 2k21 a month or two after release? That would be the real indicator if this game is bombing or not. Football, NBA and FIFA are infinitely more popular than golf. It would be interesting to know.I know this isn't scientific, but it would seem that Twitch viewers of a game would be a good barometer of how interested people are in it. Well, here's PGA 2K23 right at this minute:
For comparison sake, Madden 23 has 3,800 viewers, NBA 2K23 has 4,300 viewers, and FIFA 23 has 11,000 viewers.Comment
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Re: PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions Thread
I found this: https://twitchtracker.com/games/517397
In September 2020, the average number of concurrent viewers of a 2K21 stream was 248. 2K21 launched in August.
Then I looked at PGA 2K23: https://twitchtracker.com/games/468880140
The average number of concurrent viewers in October was 141 - this is the same month in which the game launched. Even in the leadup to launch in September (when streamers got early access), the average number of stream viewers was 564.
For PGA 2K21, in July 2020 (the month before release), the game had an average of 3.9K concurrent viewers!
Also interesting - PGA 2K21 had a peak number of stream viewers on August 25, 2020, with 58,597 people watching 2K21 streams. For PGA 2K23, the peak number of people watching streams so far is 16,657 on October 17, 2022.Last edited by MrArlingtonBeach; 11-22-2022, 11:18 PM.Orbis Non SuficitComment
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Re: PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions Thread
Great info. Definitely shows a big drop and interest in 23. Probably not a good sign for them going forward as far as money and development commitments to move on to a new engine and bring the game up to current hardware/software standards.Comment
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Re: PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions Thread
Yeah...not to mention they're about to find themselves competing for the licensed PGA Tour virtual golf space here really soon.
Frankly, the fact that 2K23 launched without ranked multiplayer and cross-play, and likely won't have that until February, they're facing the potential of people just flat-out dropping the game for good since there's really not much to do (TGCT starting will help, but how much?). There were also issues I recall reading about where the standard online multiplayer that is in the game wasn't working right for a few weeks...
They also didn't have a functional course creator until the last patch, so many people interested in that side of the game are either fully out, or are just beginning to start.
The game still has a bunch of issues and bugs, and who knows when they'll get fixed. Honestly, it seems to me that 2K really leaned on Tiger Woods selling this thing to a bunch of people, and it's not looking like it really hit the mark if you go by these kinds of numbers and data.Last edited by MrArlingtonBeach; 11-22-2022, 11:28 PM.Orbis Non SuficitComment
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Re: PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions Thread
Yeah, agree with this, and even the previous game in the series got a big discount on Black Friday. The price of PGA 2K21 went down to $26.99 back on Black Friday of 2020.Last edited by MrArlingtonBeach; 11-22-2022, 11:30 PM.Orbis Non SuficitComment
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Re: PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions Thread
I do think that the interest is down, mostly from the casual fan base. I had a solid group of guys who were clamoring for a new game we all could play causally and drink during Covid. The golf game was that game. The hype was real. Only three of us got the new game, but the other had no interest in another golf game. Those individuals will also not pick up the EA game.
The different I think that EA will have is a spike from the “hardcore” crowd. The truly playable pros and Augusta will push a purchase at least for the first release. 2K struck while the iron was hot back in 2020.Comment
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Re: PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions Thread
Well, someone mentioned this before, and it looks like it can/does happen - playoffs are not always working in MyCareer.
Went into Hole 18 of the fake PGA Championship tied with Will Zalatoris at -7. Made a birdie, and was shown with the trophy and given the achievement for winning the event, only to be shown this leaderboard:
The event ended in a tie, and I was given no playoffs, just like that other person who posted here said. So it apparently isn't always broken, just some of the time.
Typical.Orbis Non SuficitComment
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Re: PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions Thread
This is exactly right, as was the previous point that they discounted 2k21 around this time in 2020. But the numbers that you posted Arlington, showing the amount of people interested and engaged with 2k21 verses the numbers for this game around the same time in the release cycle, are very stark and clearly shows a huge drop in interest and engagement, and therefore I assume, sales.
In spite of all of that, I do think 2k23 is a "worth the price" incremental improvement over 2k21 in gameplay and graphics. I am really enjoying it, I've never had a single crash, performance or dropped connection issue in any aspect of the game as many others have reported. And I certainly am not bashing or rooting against 2k or HB, I want them to be successful and really go for it next time to try to match or surpass what EA has coming. But those numbers you posted don't bode well for the future of this series.
It almost seems like if EA really knocks it out of the park with the gameplay aspect to go along with all of the Majors and the incredible graphics we've seen in the teasers, 2k may decide not to continue putting the resources into this series, especially considering the resources they will have to expend to completely recreate the game in Frostbite or whatever they move on to from Unity.
It's good that 2k has the course creator and TGC tours and all of that, but a whole lot can change over the next 2 years if EA's game is really good. I don't have a dog in the fight of EA vs 2k, I want both of them to succeed and make the greatest golf sims of all time in the next year or two. I just don't see how both can thrive 2 years from now with the interest in golf games being nowhere near NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. I hope I'm wrong.
Sorry for the long post guys lolLast edited by golfnut67; 11-23-2022, 03:44 AM.Comment
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Re: PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions Thread
I like the game but it should be obvious that Woods had absolutely no input whatsoever into this game. Game stills crashes stutters glitches out but when it plays it is really very good overall. Not great. If they cared at all there are a few animations they could lose and make the game better. Lose the golfer curtsey after making a putt for gosh sakes.
Just started playing 3 click and it is the best 3 click I have played ever. Surprised to see the price drop so soon after release I expected maybe before EA launched. Sorry to say I think this might be the last we see of this franchise if EA can even manage a triple.
They start shutting down servers for the older games says to me they might be done for good. Hope the HB boys got a nice chunk from 2k.Comment
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Re: PGA TOUR 2K23 Impressions Thread
In relation to the numbers Beach provided (thank you Beach), I hope 2K/HB doesn't lose site of this:
I see some people commenting on the game's social media sites that nobody plays golf video games which is obviously not true; it's just that people don't purchase golf video games to the same extent they purchase basketball, football and soccer video games.
2K/HB shouldn't use the numbers as an excuse and blame the consumer. It's like when show creators blame the audience for not liking or wanting to watch shows with "fill-in-the-blank-with-these-types-of-characters" (ie Batwoman). It's not that; people don't like or want to watch shows that are poorly written. People will purchase and play golf video games; it's that they don't want to purchase or play poorly developed golf video games. Just like bad movies, word of mouth gets out days and weeks after their release.
I just hope they don't see the numbers and blame the consumers; instead, they need to look at the product they themselves put on the market.Comment
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