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  • Rodster
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    • Mar 2003
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    #16
    Re: Which console for racing

    Originally posted by mudman
    I guess I'm in the minority here, but I'd take Gran Turismo and Motorstorm over anything the 360 has to offer especially since the next Gran Turismo will surely be online, thus the poor AI won't be as much of an issue. Hopefully they'll fix the AI in the single player though; it's atrocious in both the PS2 versions.
    You have any proof that Sony has fixed the AI which has been a problem in every GT game they've made? I also take it you have not read up on the pricing policy of GT-HD?

    IMO Motorstorm is an updated HD version of ATV Fury. Don't get me wrong it's nice but it gives me the feeling of I've played this before. I'll take Colin McRae: Dirt or Forza 2 over the two games you mentioned. At least I know the first Forza was better than any GT game ever made minus the graphics which I think GT3 and 4 still holds the crown.
    Last edited by Rodster; 11-29-2006, 05:20 AM.

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    • pk500
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      • Jul 2002
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      #17
      Re: Which console for racing

      GT and Forza both suck. They're car-collecting games at heart, not racing games.

      At least Forza had better CPU AI in single-player mode. But neither have cockpit cams.

      What's most annoying about GT and Forza is that both games allow unskilled drivers to defeat skilled drivers by simply overpowering and modding their cars to death. Plus both games have "money" cars in each class. Take the Honda CRX in the "D" class in Forza, for example. It was pointless to even attempt to race online in that class without a heavily modded CRX.

      I much prefer a game where driving and racing skill are rewarded, such as the TOCA series or even the PGR series.

      Take care,
      PK
      Xbox Live: pk4425

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      • mudman
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        • Sep 2003
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        #18
        Re: Which console for racing

        Originally posted by Rodster
        You have any proof that Sony has fixed the AI which has been a problem in every GT game they've made? I also take it you have not read up on the pricing policy of GT-HD?

        IMO Motorstorm is an updated HD version of ATV Fury. Don't get me wrong it's nice but it gives me the feeling of I've played this before. I'll take Colin McRae: Dirt or Forza 2 over the two games you mentioned. At least I know the first Forza was better than any GT game ever made minus the graphics which I think GT3 and 4 still holds the crown.
        Do they not teach reading comprehension where you live?

        Where did I claim that they fixed the AI? I said HOPEFULLY they will fix it and yes I know all about the pricing policy of GT-HD and I also know that it isn't etched in stone that it will be that way.

        Also, to say that Motorstorm is an updated version of ATV Fury (even if it is your opinion, still sounds like you know next to nothing about it) is sheer ignorance. If it was, then most every website with previews of it wouldn't be drooling over it.

        You "know" forza is better than GT??? Don't state your opinions as facts, because they aren't. There are tons of people who would take Gran Turismo over all other racing games w/o thinking twice.
        Last edited by mudman; 11-30-2006, 02:52 AM.

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        • Rodster
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          • Mar 2003
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          #19
          Re: Which console for racing

          Originally posted by mudman
          Also, to say that Motorstorm is an updated version of ATV Fury (even if it is your opinion, still sounds like you know next to nothing about it) is sheer ignorance.
          I have a PS3 and i'm playing the demo that's how I based my opinion on Motorstorm.

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          • ExtremeGamer
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            #20
            Re: Which console for racing

            Originally posted by Rodster
            I have a PS3 and i'm playing the demo that's how I based my opinion on Motorstorm.
            After playing more of Motorstorm last night, I still think it's Burnout offroading. Pure arcade racer, but the PS3 demo you download is a lot better than the kiosk demo. That game has me excited for a purchase.

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            • Rodster
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              • Mar 2003
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              #21
              Re: Which console for racing

              Originally posted by ExtremeGamer
              After playing more of Motorstorm last night, I still think it's Burnout offroading. Pure arcade racer, but the PS3 demo you download is a lot better than the kiosk demo. That game has me excited for a purchase.
              Yeah that's a fair assessment. Too me Motorstorm just feels like ATV Offroad Fury with turbo. But it is a fun game that looks good and i'll probably get it.

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              • pk500
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                • Jul 2002
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                #22
                Re: Which console for racing

                Originally posted by mudman
                You "know" forza is better than GT??? Don't state your opinions as facts, because they aren't. There are tons of people who would take Gran Turismo over all other racing games w/o thinking twice.
                Indeed. The same people who don't give a f*ck about proper racing, enjoy using collisions as a racing tactic, enjoy overpowering lesser cars driven by better drivers and love to collect cars.

                That's why they pick Gran Turismo without thinking twice -- because they haven't even thought once before picking the most overrated racing franchise in the history of console gaming.

                Gran Turismo for the PSX was a massive achievement and milestone in console racing. The subsequent games in the franchise have been derivative, flawed graphical updates, at best.

                How anyone can call a racing game with horrible computer AI, no cockpit cam and no damage model the best racing game ever is beyond me. But I'd sure like some of their drugs.

                Take care,
                PK
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                • Rodster
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                  • Mar 2003
                  • 5709

                  #23
                  Re: Which console for racing

                  Originally posted by pk500
                  Indeed. The same people who don't give a f*ck about proper racing, enjoy using collisions as a racing tactic, enjoy overpowering lesser cars driven by better drivers and love to collect cars.

                  That's why they pick Gran Turismo without thinking twice -- because they haven't even thought once before picking the most overrated racing franchise in the history of console gaming.

                  Gran Turismo for the PSX was a massive achievement and milestone in console racing. The subsequent games in the franchise have been derivative, flawed graphical updates, at best.

                  How anyone can call a racing game with horrible computer AI, no cockpit cam and no damage model the best racing game ever is beyond me. But I'd sure like some of their drugs.

                  Take care,
                  PK
                  I'm not claiming Forza is the best console racing game. What I am saying and this is fact mudtiger is that comparing Forza to any Gran Turismo game it does what GT set out to do and in it's first try it did it better...that's the fact Jack.

                  Forza brought Real World customization kits, a better AI, solid physics and it was online ready. I still have GT3 and GT4 and while the driving physics and graphics are solid that's it for GT.

                  If you want to have a logical debate about racing games without name calling then i'm willing to have a logical discussion, if not just ignore my post.

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                  • pk500
                    All Star
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 8062

                    #24
                    Re: Which console for racing

                    True, Rodster. But like GT, Forza still has too many "money" cars and lets people use horsepower or turbo boost to compensate for lack of driving skill, which is wrong.

                    Plus neither has a proper cockpit view, which is comical for two games that claim to be the ultimate console racing sim.

                    It's my perpetual rant about GT and Forza, and I'm sticking to it. TOCA 3 is a MUCH better pure racing game than either GT 4 or Forza.

                    Take care,
                    PK
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                    • Rodster
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                      • Mar 2003
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                      #25
                      Re: Which console for racing

                      Originally posted by pk500
                      True, Rodster. But like GT, Forza still has too many "money" cars and lets people use horsepower or turbo boost to compensate for lack of driving skill, which is wrong.

                      Plus neither has a proper cockpit view, which is comical for two games that claim to be the ultimate console racing sim.

                      It's my perpetual rant about GT and Forza, and I'm sticking to it. TOCA 3 is a MUCH better pure racing game than either GT 4 or Forza.

                      Take care,
                      PK
                      I agree with you Paul about Forza, but my comments though weren't directed at you. Lets hope GTR360 turns out awesome so you can get an Xbox360.

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                      • pk500
                        All Star
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 8062

                        #26
                        Re: Which console for racing

                        Originally posted by Rodster
                        I agree with you Paul about Forza, but my comments though weren't directed at you. Lets hope GTR360 turns out awesome so you can get an Xbox360.
                        It will tempt me, no doubt!

                        Take care,
                        PK
                        Xbox Live: pk4425

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