Nascar 09 - Running with drones

[TCrouch]

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Personal preference, and it's obvious you play the game and have issues with its passiveness. That's perfectly fine. The initial poster I have a problem with because it quickly degraded into a "I'm glad I rented this POS it sucks" with no real clarification on why. Then his latest post was just a comment on why it's bad for consumers with the lack of competition...which I certainly won't argue against. But nothing he's posted makes me think he is anything but somebody who expected it to suck, fired it up, and decided it sucked without ever really giving it a shot. That makes no sense.

Having a legitimate quibble with how the AI isn't aggressive (yours) isn't in the same boat, in my opinion. There will be others who share that opinion, I'm sure. Personally, I haven't seen it, but I tend to drive cautiously and make a pass without making contact anyway. Very few of my races do I find a need to chrome-horn somebody to get by, but I have noticed that I can simply close the door on an AI car who has a run and suffer no real problems...eventually a real driver would get fed up and tag me, and the AI doesn't. I see your beef there. Unfortunately, I don't see any way to work around it , as at the end of the day, you're still dealing with AI. All games try to check up and avoid wrecking the player as it's not fun, and that's the ultimate goal. If you played last year's model of the game, you'll know that they went from one extreme end of the spectrum to the other, and I'd prefer this version any day of the week!

[Chitown1211]

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Definately this game is lightyears better than last year. Eventhough I did play last years a lot too.

I do like this game a lot. I know its getting lost in the complaints, but I am very happy with this game.

[av7]

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I just dont see any aggressivness or stupidity so to say. You can keep checking up in front of an AI car and they wont ever rough you up for doing it. They just wait till they can politely make a pass. Its too easy to take advantage of their passivness sometimes.

And Im not lying guys I do not see AI cautions. Three races into a new career, I run about 20% of the races, and I havent seen a caution yet not created by myself.


I stand by my black flag opinion. It is way too sensitive. You have to handicap your own agressiveness too much. Only way to avoid them is to drive cautious. At some point people obviously holding you up need to get the heck out of the way. Sometimes they need a rear bumper suggestion. Thats NASCAR imo.

Black flags I agree with being sensitive although I did do some big hits to earn it.

I've had numerous times with the AI driving down on me when I've established myself on the lower line but they still come down and hit me.

Cautions I've normally had occur not by me but the AI, alot of getting loose and spinning out.

As for the triple digit issue, get a buddy to let you download a custom skin of his and you no longer have to see it.

Everyone agrees atleast on the improvement EA has taken with the NASCAR series, I'm just glad theres no team control during races where you swap cars

[RunN1st]

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At some point people obviously holding you up need to get the heck out of the way. Sometimes they need a rear bumper suggestion. Thats NASCAR imo.

Chitown,

I really hope you don't apply that type of mindset in an online race.

Last night, I ran 3 races... In the first race, all the guys in the room thought they were Kyle Busch and needed to move everyone out of the way (causing caution after caution). In the next two races a found a good group of guys that ran clean, knew how to hold a line and made great passes.


I use the Mark Martin rule of thumb in racing. "If I can't pass you cleanly, I won't pass you."

[TCrouch]

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I think that's the biggest difference...I treat the AI cars like I would a human driver. They don't "need" to move out of the way, it's your job to get around them if you're faster. They're racing for position, and while some cars may let a guy past if they feel that they don't want to use their stuff up (in real life), it's not always "well, I'll move over now". That doesn't give a driver free reign to cornhole him and simply...move him. You'll see guys do it, but if they do it too much, they'd get a black flag in NASCAR, too.

I simply hang back, enter in a bit slower, and come off hotter. Get under them heading into the next corner, and you'll more than likely beat them on the exit. There's never a need to forcibly move a car out of your way on an oval--you just need to perhaps experiment with your line and find the best way to alter it to make the pass. That's the biggest difference between hotlapping and racecraft, and it's almost impossible to explain to somebody until they figure it out on their own.

[av7]

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I think that's the biggest difference...I treat the AI cars like I would a human driver. They don't "need" to move out of the way, it's your job to get around them if you're faster. They're racing for position, and while some cars may let a guy past if they feel that they don't want to use their stuff up (in real life), it's not always "well, I'll move over now". That doesn't give a driver free reign to cornhole him and simply...move him. You'll see guys do it, but if they do it too much, they'd get a black flag in NASCAR, too.

I simply hang back, enter in a bit slower, and come off hotter. Get under them heading into the next corner, and you'll more than likely beat them on the exit. There's never a need to forcibly move a car out of your way on an oval--you just need to perhaps experiment with your line and find the best way to alter it to make the pass. That's the biggest difference between hotlapping and racecraft, and it's almost impossible to explain to somebody until they figure it out on their own.

Exactly how it should be done. The "I'll miove you over now" reminds me of the Baja 500/1000 maneuvre of hitting the back of the guy in front of you thats slower, essentially making him pull off to let you pass.

I dont think alot of people race more than 20-30 laps a race so patience is not a real factor for em. Otherwise damage and forcefully moving cars over would take the toll on the car's aero and as some of us know, you start moving back in the race then

[dubeau]

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Personal preference, and it's obvious you play the game and have issues with its passiveness. That's perfectly fine. The initial poster I have a problem with because it quickly degraded into a "I'm glad I rented this POS it sucks" with no real clarification on why. Then his latest post was just a comment on why it's bad for consumers with the lack of competition...which I certainly won't argue against. But nothing he's posted makes me think he is anything but somebody who expected it to suck, fired it up, and decided it sucked without ever really giving it a shot. That makes no sense.

I try to like it. I rent it in prevision of buying it. And I played rookie mode, because I though it would be too hard to race and get use too. I didn't expect to have a washed down racing experience at that level. I tried and race almost all the Nascar titles since a long time ago (I can't even remember). So no, I didn't want to purely bash the product, but surely express my deception. I was wondering how well the product evolve since the last years, since I didn't play the last 2 iterations, because mainly of users feedback and the lack of time.

When I raced the rookie level, I didn't see any errors, any accidents. There were some brief contact, lane changes, but they were acting like drones for the most parts. If you want to display your game at it's fullest, why cut completely the action from the lower levels. Make an arcade mode or something like that!!! I remember also at some points...Sliders settings for the AI. Where are they now ? Those sliders eleviates many problems for many poeples. Baseball and hockey games have understand that...

Is this the way to proceed now ? You release a very bad one or two version of the game...then every one is happy because you put back some features that you scrapped from the previous good versions.

Next year, we will have the sliders and the next the in-race saving. Maybe in 10 years, we will see the mechanical failures and some flat tires...Give me a goofer camera next year, and I will do a happy post. No hard feelings.

[RunN1st]

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I try to like it. I rent it in prevision of buying it. And I played rookie mode, because I though it would be too hard to race and get use too. I didn't expect to have a washed down racing experience at that level. I tried and race almost all the Nascar titles since a long time ago (I can't even remember). So no, I didn't want to purely bash the product, but surely express my deception. I was wondering how well the product evolve since the last years, since I didn't play the last 2 iterations, because mainly of users feedback and the lack of time.

When I raced the rookie level, I didn't see any errors, any accidents. There were some brief contact, lane changes, but they were acting like drones for the most parts. If you want to display your game at it's fullest, why cut completely the action from the lower levels. Make an arcade mode or something like that!!! I remember also at some points...Sliders settings for the AI. Where are they now ? Those sliders eleviates many problems for many poeples. Baseball and hockey games have understand that...

Is this the way to proceed now ? You release a very bad one or two version of the game...then every one is happy because you put back some features that you scrapped from the previous good versions.

Next year, we will have the sliders and the next the in-race saving. Maybe in 10 years, we will see the mechanical failures and some flat tires...Give me a goofer camera next year, and I will do a happy post. No hard feelings.

Excellent post, dubeau! Very diplomatic!!!

[TCrouch]

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Rookies don't want crashes with the AI left and right. I just don't see the basis of your complaint at all..."deception" because you played it on Easy and expected...what, exactly? The cars to drive just like they do on Hard, forcing you to make better choices? That's what rookie mode is for--to give a rookie an obvious line, and cars that are easy to pass. I'm at a loss as to explain anything, so I won't try. I'd say "yeah, this is probably how it goes". If this is so bad because you rented it, tried it on rookie, and then come onto a board to flame it and talk about the lack of innovation, then you'll probably be on a lonely little island here.

[RynoAid]

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Rookies don't want crashes with the AI left and right. I just don't see the basis of your complaint at all..."deception" because you played it on Easy and expected...what, exactly? The cars to drive just like they do on Hard, forcing you to make better choices? That's what rookie mode is for--to give a rookie an obvious line, and cars that are easy to pass. I'm at a loss as to explain anything, so I won't try. I'd say "yeah, this is probably how it goes". If this is so bad because you rented it, tried it on rookie, and then come onto a board to flame it and talk about the lack of innovation, then you'll probably be on a lonely little island here.

"turn out the lights..... the party's over"....

[dubeau]

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Then TCrouch, I don't think that we have the same view about what a rookie mode should be (Within a career option)...You make a simulation game, that simulation should begin at rookie. But the rookie mode in Nascar 09, is an arcade mode...and in my opinion it should be an option on it's own, not part of the carreer mode.

But life is life, you know...Why don't you try the rookie mode for a while ? It will make you feel better...or maybe not.

[mgoblue]

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I try to like it. I rent it in prevision of buying it. And I played rookie mode, because I though it would be too hard to race and get use too. I didn't expect to have a washed down racing experience at that level. I tried and race almost all the Nascar titles since a long time ago (I can't even remember). So no, I didn't want to purely bash the product, but surely express my deception. I was wondering how well the product evolve since the last years, since I didn't play the last 2 iterations, because mainly of users feedback and the lack of time.

When I raced the rookie level, I didn't see any errors, any accidents. There were some brief contact, lane changes, but they were acting like drones for the most parts. If you want to display your game at it's fullest, why cut completely the action from the lower levels. Make an arcade mode or something like that!!! I remember also at some points...Sliders settings for the AI. Where are they now ? Those sliders eleviates many problems for many poeples. Baseball and hockey games have understand that...

Is this the way to proceed now ? You release a very bad one or two version of the game...then every one is happy because you put back some features that you scrapped from the previous good versions.

Next year, we will have the sliders and the next the in-race saving. Maybe in 10 years, we will see the mechanical failures and some flat tires...Give me a goofer camera next year, and I will do a happy post. No hard feelings.

Just a question, do you rate Madden, NHL, or other sports games based on how it plays on Rookie mode? Rookie mode is well known to be dumbed down for the general public...and yet you rip on it for that very reason it exists.

I think people are happy because the game has a pretty sim driving model and is fun overall...Have you seen the other forums here? EA gets bashed a ton, but if they do something right they get praise they deserve...

[bkrich83]

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Then TCrouch, I don't think that we have the same view about what a rookie mode should be (Within a career option)...You make a simulation game, that simulation should begin at rookie. But the rookie mode in Nascar 09, is an arcade mode...and in my opinion it should be an option on it's own, not part of the carreer mode.

But life is life, you know...Why don't you try the rookie mode for a while ? It will make you feel better...or maybe not.

It's quite obvious your complaining simply to complain. I really have no idea why you are, but your complaints based on Rookie mode simply don't track.

[JRod]

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It's quite obvious your complaining simply to complain. I really have no idea why you are, but your complaints based on Rookie mode simply don't track.

No what he's saying is that he would like to see the same experience for each difficulty level.

Technically he's right. Changing the difficulty level should make it easy not different like taking out crashes.

It's typical EA sports they try to please everyone but end up pleasing no one. The way to get around this is with sliders but not just for difficulty. It could see where NASCAR should have sliders for mechanical failure, blown tires, and AI crashes. On rookie, the sliders are set to 0 or off but you can increase them. That way people intimidated by the crashes and sliders don't have to mess with their game and can just fire up a race and go at it.

The rest can increase the slider for crashes and still have the AI on easy.

Option are the customers best friend. But EA Sports doesn't really get that. The more options we have within reason, means the less we can bitch because we can change are gaming experience. If EA just sets the default for the casual gamer and let the rest of us fiddle with the sliders (make sure they actually work), I see EA favorability go up.

[dubeau]

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Thanks JRod, I think you summed it up more than I could.

That said, I am curious to try it on higher level (From what i can read here...), so I will rent it again to see if the experience is better.