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  • The GIGGAS
    Timbers - Jags - Hokies
    • Mar 2003
    • 28474

    #2671
    Re: Xbox Live Marketplace and Live Arcade discussion Part III

    I think the thing is... the controls just doesn't feel as tight as my memory seems to remember.
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    • Bruins
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      • Mar 2004
      • 6433

      #2672
      Re: Xbox Live Marketplace and Live Arcade discussion Part III

      Originally posted by The GIGGAS
      I think the thing is... the controls just doesn't feel as tight as my memory seems to remember.
      That's exactly how they were, though. They feel the same as TH1 and TH2 to me... TH3 is where the controls started to evolve a bit (reverts, etc).

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      • The GIGGAS
        Timbers - Jags - Hokies
        • Mar 2003
        • 28474

        #2673
        Re: Xbox Live Marketplace and Live Arcade discussion Part III

        Originally posted by Bruins
        That's exactly how they were, though. They feel the same as TH1 and TH2 to me... TH3 is where the controls started to evolve a bit (reverts, etc).
        No, not what I meant. The controls feel less... controlling. Like you're no longer controlling the skater, and you're merely suggesting tricks for the skater to do. Not discussing revert, manual, and the like. Feels... floaty, maybe? It's hard to put my finger on it.
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        • Bruins
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          • Mar 2004
          • 6433

          #2674
          Re: Xbox Live Marketplace and Live Arcade discussion Part III

          Originally posted by The GIGGAS
          No, not what I meant. The controls feel less... controlling. Like you're no longer controlling the skater, and you're merely suggesting tricks for the skater to do. Not discussing revert, manual, and the like. Feels... floaty, maybe? It's hard to put my finger on it.
          Hmm, guess I'm not sure what you mean then. Feels like how I remember it feeling.

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          • goh
            Banned
            • Aug 2003
            • 20755

            #2675
            Re: Xbox Live Marketplace and Live Arcade discussion Part III

            I can't search for Fez so I'll put this here...


            We’re bringing the first FEZ patch online.
            It’s the same patch.

            We’re not going to patch the patch.

            Why not? Because microsoft would charge us tens of thousands of dollars to re-certify the game.

            And because as it turns out, the save file delete bug only happens to less than a percent of players. It’s a ****ty numbers game to be playing for sure, but as a small independent, paying so much money for patches makes NO SENSE AT ALL. especially when you consider the alternative. Had FEZ been released on steam instead of XBLA, the game would have been fixed two weeks after release, at no cost to us. And if there was an issue with that patch, we could have fixed that right away too!

            We believe the save file corruption issue mostly happened to players who had completed, or almost completed the game. If you hadn’t already seen most of what FEZ had to offer, your save file is probably safe. It doesn’t happen if you start a new game.

            We believe the current patch is safe for an overwhelming majority of players.

            The patch fixes almost everything that’s been wrong with the game since launch. The framerate issues, the loading, the skips, the death loops, everything! All that stuff is fixed! And right now, nobody can get to it since the patch was pulled. For 99% of people, it makes FEZ a better game.

            To the less-than-1% who are getting screwed, we sincerely apologize. We know this hurts you the most, because you’re the ones who put the most times into the game. And this breaks our hearts. We hope you dont think back on your time spent in FEZ as a total waste.

            Microsoft gave us a choice: either pay a ton of money to re-certify the game and issue a new patch (which for all we know could introduce new issues, for which we’d need yet another costly patch), or simply put the patch back online. They looked into it, and the issue happens so rarely that they still consider the patch to be “good enough”.

            It wasn’t an easy decision, but in the end, paying such a large sum of money to jump through so many hoops just doesn’t make any sense. We already owe microsoft a LOT of money for the privilege of being on their platform. People often mistakenly believe that we got paid by Microsoft for being exclusive to their platform. Nothing could be further from the truth. WE pay THEM.

            So we’re going to go ahead and put Title Update back online, and for a vast majority of people it’s going to make FEZ a better game.

            Thank you for your understanding and continuing support.

            Sincerely,

            The Polytron Team


            So they complain about MS,say it would've been better off on Steam then proceed to say THEY paid MS to be 360 exclusive? What? Why didn't you put it directly on Steam then? Good to see it's not just these major companies that have lost their damn minds.

            They also tweeted...

            @Polytron
            but HEY! only a few months left to our XBLA exclusivity!

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            • mrprice33
              Just some guy
              • Jul 2003
              • 5986

              #2676
              Both parties are at fault. Microsoft shouldn't be charging ridiculous amounts to patch, and polytron either needed to test their patch better or bite the bullet and pay. No reason to wait around as long as they did just to do nothing.

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              • jyoung
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                • Dec 2006
                • 11132

                #2677
                Re: Xbox Live Marketplace and Live Arcade discussion Part III

                The whole patch and certification process Microsoft uses is utterly ridiculous.

                It's one of the main reasons why more and more smaller developers are going exclusively to PC or to PC/PSN.

                If you guys haven't watched Indie Game: The Movie yet, I highly recommend it. It shows a lot of behind the scenes interviews about how Microsoft treats small developers.

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                • Skyboxer
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                  • Jul 2002
                  • 20302

                  #2678
                  Re: Xbox Live Marketplace and Live Arcade discussion Part III

                  To many developers rely on patches instead of trying to avoid them.
                  That's problem #1
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                  • goh
                    Banned
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 20755

                    #2679
                    Re: Xbox Live Marketplace and Live Arcade discussion Part III

                    Originally posted by jyoung
                    If you guys haven't watched Indie Game: The Movie yet, I highly recommend it. It shows a lot of behind the scenes interviews about how Microsoft treats small developers.
                    Currently on sale on Steam for $5.

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                    • jmood88
                      Sean Payton: Retribution
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 34639

                      #2680
                      Re: Xbox Live Marketplace and Live Arcade discussion Part III

                      Originally posted by goh
                      Currently on sale on Steam for $5.
                      What is funny about that?
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                      Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                      If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                      • MrChainsaw
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                        • Jul 2009
                        • 1430

                        #2681
                        Re: Xbox Live Marketplace and Live Arcade discussion Part III

                        Picked up tony hawk today. Loving it so far. Skating as your xbox avatar is an awesome addition and the soundtrack brings me back. Ah, middle school.
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                        College Football 25 until my eyes bleed

                        Go Noles, Go Bucs, Go Pens, YNWA

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                        • Candyman5
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                          • Nov 2006
                          • 14380

                          #2682
                          Anyone else looking forward to Deadlight on August 1st?
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                          • mrprice33
                            Just some guy
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 5986

                            #2683
                            Re: Xbox Live Marketplace and Live Arcade discussion Part III

                            Originally posted by Candyman5
                            Anyone else looking forward to Deadlight on August 1st?
                            I was...then I played it.

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                            • Candyman5
                              Come get some!
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 14380

                              #2684
                              Re: Xbox Live Marketplace and Live Arcade discussion Part III

                              Originally posted by mrprice33
                              I was...then I played it.
                              I didnt think it played bad, im just not getting it right away because the length isnt long enough.
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                              • mrprice33
                                Just some guy
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 5986

                                #2685
                                Originally posted by Candyman5
                                I didnt think it played bad, im just not getting it right away because the length isnt long enough.
                                My review goes up in like an hour. It was pretty terrible, IMO.

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