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  • Phobia
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jan 2008
    • 11623

    #961
    Re: Gaming headsets

    Originally posted by ps2sportgamer
    I'm completely new to headsets, but I purchased the Steel Series Arctis 7 headset the other day for the PS4. In R6 Siege I can usually hear if someone is directly to my left or right, but its hard to tell if someone is behind, in front, or above. I probably just have to get used to it more.

    It also could be the closed back headset stuff I read about in this thread (Sounds being more unnatural bc sounds don't escape the headset).

    I want wireless, but just purchased the Phillips SH9500 with the boom mic and that comes Tuesday. I have a feeling i will hear positions a lot better...

    We'll see....
    I can't speak on the Philips SH9500's, but I can tell you your positional audio issue.

    I've stated this in numerous threads on OS so I'll quickly rehash without going to deep. You have two camps, stereo (2 ch) or Surround sound (5:1 or 7:1), the way sound is handled differs drastically. So in stereo you are getting an accurate "side" of the source of sound, left of center, you will hear out of left ear cup, same for sound handled on right. Center sounds will come from both ear cups, but distance, height, etc will be different per game, based on the sound engine used. Now surround sound is handled very differently in the sense that sound is artificially processed by an on-board control unit. This processor is "virtually" trying to make up the location of the sounds based on a algorithm (also includes reverb & other simulated effects to give the impression of depth), so it's "interpretation" will have room for error. Which like 2ch is also based on the sound design of the game and how well it handles the different "virtual" surround sound processors (Dolby Pro Logic, Dolby Digital, DTS, THX, etc etc).

    So while this debate among camps can get muddled with lots of mumble jumble and bias to one particular side, there is some truths that have stood. 2ch is better for music, it's recorded in this fashion and listening to how it was designed produces the accurate representation. Gaming, positional audio for the most part will be more accurate via 2 ch. Movies, surround sound is the clear winner here, much more immersive experience where positional audio isn't hamstrung by lack of pinpoint precision.

    So if I could give one recommendation. Shoot for high end headphones (not headsets) built for quality of the sound & sound stage. While you will have to sacrifice some features like wireless, ease of console use, built in mic, etc. The pros you will gain should out weight what your giving up.

    I'd look into Beyerdynamic, AKG, Audio-Technica, Hifiman, and even certain Sennheiser's (be aware a Dac + Amp would more than likely be needed). The SH9500's might be fantastic for the price point, but if you want to stay Philips and proceed more into the high-end, I'd consider these https://www.amazon.com/Philips-X2-27.../dp/B00O2Y2MZG

    While I'm no expert on sound, I am very knowledgeable on headsets/headphones when it comes to gaming. I've owned roughly 6 different headsets and 3 different headphones. Throughout the years I always thought sound was sound and never knew the pronounced difference in paying for high-end quality until I finally bit the bullet and spent the money. It's a stark enough difference I'd say is akin to 60hz vs 144hz. Once you experience it you have that A-HA moment, "nooooow I understand". I'd say open-backs was that moment for me.
    Last edited by Phobia; 04-29-2018, 09:00 AM.

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    • ps2sportgamer
      Rookie
      • Aug 2002
      • 338

      #962
      Re: Gaming headsets

      Originally posted by Phobia
      I can't speak on the Philips SH9500's, but I can tell you your positional audio issue.

      I've stated this in numerous threads on OS so I'll quickly rehash without going to deep. You have two camps, stereo (2 ch) or Surround sound (5:1 or 7:1), the way sound is handled differs drastically. So in stereo you are getting and accurate "side" of the source of sound, left of center, you will hear out of left ear cup, same for sound handled on right. Center sounds will come from both ear cups, but distance, height, etc will be different per game, based on the sound engine used. Now surround sound is handled very differently in the sense that sound is artificially processed by an on-board control unit. This processor is "virtually" trying to make up the location of the sounds based on algorithm (also includes reverb & other simulated effects to give the impression of depth), so it's "interpretation" will have room for error. Which like 2ch is also based on the sound design of the game and how well it handles the different "virtual" surround sound processors (Dolby Pro Logic, Dolby Digital, DTS, THX, etc etc).

      So while this debate among camps can get muddled with lots of mumble jumble and bias to one particular side, there is some truths that have stood. 2ch is better for music, it's recorded in this fashion and listening to how it was designed produces the accurate representation. Gaming, positional audio for the most part will be more accurate via 2 ch. Movies, surround sound is the clear winner here, much more immersive experience where positional audio isn't hamstrung by lack of pinpoint precision.

      So if I could give one recommendation. Shoot for high end headphones (not headsets) built for quality of the sound & sound stage. While you will have to sacrifice some features like wireless, ease of console use, built in mic, etc. The pros you will gain should out weight what your giving up.

      I'd look into Beyerdynamic, AKG, Audio-Technica, Hifiman, and even certain Sennheiser's (be aware a Dac + Amp would more than likely be needed). The SH9500's might be fantastic for the price point, but if you want to stay Philips and proceed more into the high-end, I'd consider these https://www.amazon.com/Philips-X2-27.../dp/B00O2Y2MZG

      While I'm no expert on sound, I am very knowledgeable on headsets/headphones when it comes to gaming. I've owned roughly 6 different headsets and 3 different headphones. Throughout the years I always thought sound was sound and never knew the pronounced difference in paying for high-end quality until I finally bit the bullet and spent the money. It's a stark enough difference I'd say is akin to 60hz vs 144hz. Once you experience it you have that A-HA moment, "nooooow I understand". I'd say open-backs was that moment for me.


      I read all your posts on here before purchasing and I read a ton of reddit. I probably would never pay $200+ for a headset as of now (only have 1 game and I play it casually), so the Phillips open back seems awesome. A ton of good reviews when it comes to positional awareness in FPS.

      Thanks for the help


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      • Phobia
        Hall Of Fame
        • Jan 2008
        • 11623

        #963
        Re: Gaming headsets

        Originally posted by ps2sportgamer
        I read all your posts on here before purchasing and I read a ton of reddit. I probably would never pay $200+ for a headset as of now (only have 1 game and I play it casually), so the Phillips open back seems awesome. A ton of good reviews when it comes to positional awareness in FPS.

        Thanks for the help


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        Yea for that level of gaming then I'd stick with the SH9500's. For me I spent more than that on many different mid priced cans, ranging from the 60 to 100 range. After it was all said and done I spent 300 to 400 over the years, where if I would of just spent the money out right on a decent pair then it would of been a one and done type situation. I eventually sold all the others, made some of my money back and bought a decent pair.

        There is two things I'll always buy high-end from here on out, headphones & computer chair! Reason being, I put in 30+ hours a week at my computer so I want to be comfortable (butt and ears lol).

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        • RockinDaMike
          All Star
          • Feb 2003
          • 9092

          #964
          Re: Gaming headsets

          Phobia always dropping knowledge. I sold my Corsairs and went with Logitech g933. They are better but still pail in comparison to my Sennheiser hd650 open back headphones. I do connect them to a receiver that has a headphone DAC and its night and day.

          It's the most beautiful sound I ever experienced in gaming and the most immersive. Sometimes i have to take a break because it gets too intense.

          As for my new pair, the Logitech g933's are awesome. Pretty long battery life and the bass is awesome. I'm using them as my travel set and using them at the moment and they have been great in all the games i play and watching movies.
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          • Phobia
            Hall Of Fame
            • Jan 2008
            • 11623

            #965
            Re: Gaming headsets

            Originally posted by RockinDaMike
            Phobia always dropping knowledge. I sold my Corsairs and went with Logitech g933. They are better but still pail in comparison to my Sennheiser hd650 open back headphones. I do connect them to a receiver that has a headphone DAC and its night and day.

            It's the most beautiful sound I ever experienced in gaming and the most immersive. Sometimes i have to take a break because it gets too intense.

            As for my new pair, the Logitech g933's are awesome. Pretty long battery life and the bass is awesome. I'm using them as my travel set and using them at the moment and they have been great in all the games i play and watching movies.
            Appreciate it brosif, super jealous of those 650s btw

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            • RockinDaMike
              All Star
              • Feb 2003
              • 9092

              #966
              Re: Gaming headsets

              Originally posted by Phobia
              Appreciate it brosif, super jealous of those 650s btw
              I think you can still get those Mass Drop ones for an amazing deal. I got mine before those were announced
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              • PVarck31
                Moderator
                • Jan 2003
                • 16869

                #967
                Re: Gaming headsets

                Hey Phobia, how are the Rig headsets? I've heard they are great and I've heard they are crap.

                I need a new one under $100 and I was thinking about one of those or the Razer Kraken V Pro 2.

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                • Phobia
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 11623

                  #968
                  Re: Gaming headsets

                  Originally posted by RockinDaMike
                  I think you can still get those Mass Drop ones for an amazing deal. I got mine before those were announced
                  I looked and the only ones I saw which I thought about picking up was the HiFi-HE350 but I'm thinking about holding off and trying to score the 400i's later in the year.

                  Originally posted by PVarck31
                  Hey Phobia, how are the Rig headsets? I've heard they are great and I've heard they are crap.

                  I need a new one under $100 and I was thinking about one of those or the Razer Kraken V Pro 2.
                  How are you planning to use them Phil, console or PC? Wireless or wired, and which model of the Rig's?

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                  • PVarck31
                    Moderator
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 16869

                    #969
                    Re: Gaming headsets

                    Originally posted by Phobia
                    I looked and the only ones I saw which I thought about picking up was the HiFi-HE350 but I'm thinking about holding off and trying to score the 400i's later in the year.


                    How are you planning to use them Phil, console or PC? Wireless or wired, and which model of the Rig's?
                    Just console and wired. The Rig 400 I think is what they are, the ones at walmart. But I think there is a Rig 500 something.

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                    • JayhawkerStL
                      Banned
                      • Apr 2004
                      • 3644

                      #970
                      Re: Gaming headsets

                      Been using these for gaming, music and TV for several months now, and I love them.

                      Plantronics BackBeat Pro 2 review:

                      So what do you get if you pay the extra dough for the Bose QuietComfort 35 ($329.00 at Amazon.com)? First, you'll get a lighter, more comfortable headphone. The 290-gram Plantronics is comfortable, just not as comfortable as the 236-gram Bose, and the QC35 is the more attractive looking headphone. Second, the noise canceling on the Bose is better. It's not a big difference -- the Plantronics' noise canceling is good -- but the Bose does a little better job muffling noise.

                      As for the sound, you're not losing much. Once again the QC35 is a notch better. Its bass is a little tighter, the midrange a little smoother and warmer, and there's a little more sparkle to the treble. The Bose sounds slightly cleaner and more natural, but the BackBeat Pro 2 isn't far behind. And it certainly sounds better than the original BackBeat Pro ($143.89 at Amazon.com). It's also right there with the Bose as far as headset performance goes.

                      The long and short of it is I'd rather have the QC35, but the BackBeat Pro 2 is the better value and an excellent alternative for those who don't want to spend $350 to $400 on full-size noise-canceling wireless headphones from Bose, Sony or Sennheiser.
                      They've been great, wireless or wired to the controller. I wish the XB1 did bluetooth sound. Then these would be perfect.

                      One caveat. It has a great feature that will pause the music when you remove the headphones, then start it when you put them back on. They dorked it up somehow, and I had to disable it because it too often paused music thinking I had taken them off. It's easy to disable or enable, so it wasn't a dealbreaker, but it was annoying.

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                      • DaImmaculateONe
                        MVP
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 3540

                        #971
                        Re: Gaming headsets

                        Are they any headsets work both the ps4 and xbox?
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                        Vic: Well, in one, one girl wins. In the other....
                        Kenny: Everyone wins?!?!

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                        • timmg
                          MVP
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 1383

                          #972
                          Re: Gaming headsets

                          Originally posted by DaImmaculateONe
                          Are they any headsets work both the ps4 and xbox?
                          Yes if they have the 3mm jack, i have 5 different headset, they all work on both systems. If u have the xbox one download the Dolby atmos app, it gives your headset a power(sound) boost. Bought the new Sony gold they r pretty good

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                          • RockinDaMike
                            All Star
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 9092

                            #973
                            Re: Gaming headsets

                            Originally posted by DaImmaculateONe
                            Are they any headsets work both the ps4 and xbox?


                            I know my logitech g933 do with pc and ps4 via with the dongle but not sure with Xbox. I think you have to connect via wire


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                            • mgoblue
                              Go Wings!
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 25477

                              #974
                              Re: Gaming headsets

                              Yeah, i even have older Razer Carcharias ones...have the adapter that turns mic and headphones cables into one and it works on anything (phone, controller, etc).
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                              • JoshCA916
                                Pro
                                • Jan 2008
                                • 649

                                #975
                                Re: Gaming headsets

                                Originally posted by DaImmaculateONe
                                Are they any headsets work both the ps4 and xbox?
                                The new artics pro +GameDAC does. They only really advertise them for ps4 and pc but they work. I actually have a pair coming in today so will let you know if they are any good. For $250 and a high res cert they better be.
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