Wii U Discussion

[DickDalewood]

Re: New Nintendo Console in 2012?

I see what you are saying. I guess we have to wait and see. Games can still be made for both in mind, like they do with the Move.

True. My other thought is one would of hoped they would have updated their motion tech if that's the plan. Currently The Move is definitely the more responsive and accurate controller bases motion device on the market.

I suppose this keeps people from needing to re-buy though.

[cardswin2006]

Re: New Nintendo Console in 2012?

I just don't understand the logic here in terms of what Nintendo seems to be trying. They have created a niche and exploited every last $ out of it. Their console was a "must have" for awhile by people that don't even play games traditionally. It was like the Furby or Cabbage Patch doll for adults. You buy it because no one else had it and you did. My inlaws own one...they rarely if ever play it, but they've got one, alright.

I also don't understand the general timing of a new console with the direction they seem to want to head, i.e. not be known as a child's console. If the specs are correct, it will not be much more powerful than the current competitors. And even if it was, it may not be important anyway. Think of it this way:

You are Publisher X, and you make AAA titles that move consoles. In the past generation of consoles, cross platform titles have raked in major $ for you, whereas AAA exclusive titles were only around after an established console base was significant enough, or the console maker put in major incentives for you in terms of development costs. Now you have a NEW console to develop for that is more powerful, but there won't be another system as powerful for at least another year, possibly two. Are you going to invest major development $ to take advantage of this technology, or are you going to wait until you can sell cross-platform and really rake in the profits. (However, perhaps Nintendo does have a strategy to eat some of the costs that I'm not aware of)

On the other side of the equation, as a console buyer, are you going to buy a console that, while more powerful, doesn't have the titles that demonstrate its superiority? Are you going to drop another $300 for a console that plays your current games, ports existing games from other consoles, but has few "must have" titles to choose from?

That being said, I understand some of what Nintendo is doing. The steam has left the engine and they coasting to the finish line with a console that has outlived its novelty and, while being a major success for the first party, has failed to establish a foothold with 3rd party publishers. From that side of things, this makes sense, but I feel like it is a short sighted maneuver that won't accomplish what Nintendo's apparent goals are.

However, I thought the Wii would be a novelty that quickly wore off, and while I think I have been right in the long run (albeit later than I guessed), they clearly were successful and made boat loads of profits during that time.

[SinisterAlex]

Re: New Nintendo Console in 2012?

So..... uh.... what's going to happen to the Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword? I don't see a point in spending money on a game for a console that won't be current a year later...

[DickDalewood]

Re: New Nintendo Console in 2012?

So..... uh.... what's going to happen to the Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword? I don't see a point in spending money on a game for a console that won't be current a year later...

Well, if you're planning on getting the new system anyway, buy the game regardless, as "Project Cafe" will be backwards compatible.

[SPTO]

Re: New Nintendo Console in 2012?

So..... uh.... what's going to happen to the Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword? I don't see a point in spending money on a game for a console that won't be current a year later...

I've heard that development for the game has been switched to be applicable with the new console.

(per a radio show dealing with video games so take it for what it's worth)

[BlueNGold]

Re: New Nintendo Console in 2012?

So..... uh.... what's going to happen to the Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword? I don't see a point in spending money on a game for a console that won't be current a year later...

Why does the console have to be current to warrant a purchase of that game? It's not like the quality of the game is going to be anything less because they're focusing on a new system.

[SinisterAlex]

Re: New Nintendo Console in 2012?

Well, if you're planning on getting the new system anyway, buy the game regardless, as "Project Cafe" will be backwards compatible.

I've heard that development for the game has been switched to be applicable with the new console.

(per a radio show dealing with video games so take it for what it's worth)

Cool guys! Good to hear. This game was pretty much the only reason in me buying a Wii. I love Zelda games, I remember playing Ocarina of Time everyday after school when I was little with a friend for hours... good times.

[SinisterAlex]

Re: New Nintendo Console in 2012?

Why does the console have to be current to warrant a purchase of that game? It's not like the quality of the game is going to be anything less because they're focusing on a new system.

If the rumours of true about this console being more powerful than the 360 or PS3, why bother buying a game who's graphical and processing capability on the Wii are nowhere near the 360's or PS3's? Why buy a game on a console with no HD capability when the new console could possibly have HD?

But that's just my opinion. Graphics aren't everything for me, but like I said, if they say that the console is going to out power the 360 and PS3, might as well wait.

[luv_mist]

Re: New Nintendo Console in 2012?

[rant]I have a strong opinion about this. That opinion is that this is going to flop so hard. The reason is because of the lack of love they will receive from the 3rd party developers. They won't receive anything new that isn't already on the PS3 or 360. The PS3 is considered "stronger" than the 360 but the games are identical for the most part. The online portion is the heavy seller for most cross-platform games. The controller is a great addition but it's a few years too late. This is the console that Nintendo should have released with their waggle controllers honestly. Playing Mario in super sharp graphic, having and updated looking Zelda game, playing the Kirby or Donkey Kong on 1080p (or even a freaking 720p) would have really solidified them as being viable as a console maker.

Yeah, their Wii was a success but there's a small problem with that. They peaked on that system and it wasn't that "revolutionary" to be honest. So far, the two companies who are lagging behind them in hardware sales are whipping the charts in software month in and month out. Yeah, Nintendo does sale a solid first-party title that becomes **** but it's not enough to keep the consistent fans around. Many people are clamoring for the new console thinking that the updated power is going to honestly do it for them. It won't. They will have to reestablish a foundation for this console. They will be starting over from #1 as opposed to their well-saturated Wii console. I do love the Nintendo brand but they might need to go the way of Sega and push out software. Leave the hardware to the big boys.

I love their innovation honestly. I love what they establish and do within the gaming community. They are just falling behind the times in terms of making the right moves. I can't see families buying another Nintendo console like they did the Wii when Kinect is the new technology grabbing people's attention. I'm seriously disappointed. If they do sell well, I will say that I'm glad they proved me wrong. I think that they should really consider waiting until the other two are closer to their release. That way they can man up their console and give it more juice to last longer. You already know that they will be coming out with another console before 2018 which will throw off the whole flow of getting quality games on consoles. Messes up so much of the gaming cycle. [/rant]

[cardswin2006]

Re: New Nintendo Console in 2012?

^^^^

All very true. Maybe it's just my small sample size, but the people I know that have a Wii do not touch the thing nearly as much as they did when it first came out, whereas people are still regularly playing the crap out of their 360/PS3 with all the new great games out there available for them. The Wii was cool to mess around with, but once people realized most of the games could be played just by sitting on a couch and flicking your wrist it kind of took the fun out of it. Now it feels stupid to be jumping around and waving your arms like an idiot when your buddy is sitting patiently like a slug on the couch with a full beer in one hand and a controller in the other.

[pietasterp]

Re: New Nintendo Console in 2012?

The Wii was, more or less, a gimmick. The issue I think Nintendo will have is that they sold so many Wii's because people that normally don't buy video game consoles bought one due to the motion controls that were new/innovative and fun. For a short while, anyway. But most of those people are not in the market for a new console (and never will be) because they were never really in the market for a new console to begin with. They tapped into a huge previously-untapped market, to their great credit, but the problem is those people aren't long-term video game consumers. While attach rates aren't a perfect metric, they do suggest that people bought a Wii, played Wii Sports that came with it and maybe 1 other game, and that's it. In the 6 years since it's been out, Nintendo's sold 86 million Wii's, and probably about that same number of games. Almost no one I know still plays their Wii.

I don't root against Nintendo, as it's the company of my childhood and the origin of my games habit, but I can't honestly see how this doesn't turn into a Gamecube or Dreamcast type situation. The Wii purchasers aren't interested in a new system, and the hardcore gamers will wait for the next Xbox or Playstation. That leaves Nintendo.....where, exactly?

[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: New Nintendo Console in 2012?

The Wii was, more or less, a gimmick. The issue I think Nintendo will have is that they sold so many Wii's because people that normally don't buy video game consoles bought one due to the motion controls that were new/innovative and fun. For a short while, anyway. But most of those people are not in the market for a new console (and never will be) because they were never really in the market for a new console to begin with. They tapped into a huge previously-untapped market, to their great credit, but the problem is those people aren't long-term video game consumers. While attach rates aren't a perfect metric, they do suggest that people bought a Wii, played Wii Sports that came with it and maybe 1 other game, and that's it. In the 6 years since it's been out, Nintendo's sold 86 million Wii's, and probably about that same number of games. Almost no one I know still plays their Wii.

I don't root against Nintendo, as it's the company of my childhood and the origin of my games habit, but I can't honestly see how this doesn't turn into a Gamecube or Dreamcast type situation. The Wii purchasers aren't interested in a new system, and the hardcore gamers will wait for the next Xbox or Playstation. That leaves Nintendo.....where, exactly?

Exactly... and this is why Nintendo knows they need to shift, because they know the majority of the ones that bought the Wii, are not the core person who upgrades systems religiously.

Thus their shift to a 360 clone, for all the 360 port dropping. But it may not pan out, since those who want/have a 360, will stay with the next or current 360.

[MachoFantastic]

because they know the majority of the ones that bought the Wii, are not the core person who upgrades systems religiously.

The same could be said about DS owners, yet the 3DS sold more at launch than any handheld ever (and that's with literally not one single game worth buying released yet).

Honestly, I think that the console won't be able to match the sales of the Wii, but I definitely think it will be able to hang with Sony and Microsoft's next consoles, and I wouldn't be surprised if it winds up outselling them. Nintendo will be able to pull people with their new controller as they did with the Wii, and they should be able to reel in some of the gamers who only play "mature rated games for hardcore gamers" since it seems to be catering to that crowd a little bit. Plus, they will almost undoubtedly be able to maintain its consumers that actually buy their consoles based on the quality of games released, as well as those that just buy the Nintendo console because it's the cheapest of the "big three."

[Hooe]

Re: New Nintendo Console in 2012?

If the rumours of true about this console being more powerful than the 360 or PS3, why bother buying a game who's graphical and processing capability on the Wii are nowhere near the 360's or PS3's? Why buy a game on a console with no HD capability when the new console could possibly have HD?

But that's just my opinion. Graphics aren't everything for me, but like I said, if they say that the console is going to out power the 360 and PS3, might as well wait.

Great games are great games regardless of graphics.

Pac-man is still a great game today despite the fact it could only display 16 colors. Super Mario and Sonic are still great games today even though they are 16-bit 2D affairs. Metal Gear Solid is still a great game today even though there are likely more triangles in a MGS4 pistol than there are in an entire MGS1 scene. Doom, Wolfenstein, and Duke Nukem 3D are still great games today, regardless of the fact that they don't have ridiculous modern-day shaders and particle effects of the Call of Duty games of today's gaming scene.

[MachoFantastic]

Super Mario and Sonic are still great games today even though they are 16-bit 2D affairs.

The NES was only 8-bit.