Xbox One

[mestevo]

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[ODogg]

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I want Scorpio, give me my Scorpio NOW! #sickofwaiting

[daniel77733]

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I want Scorpio, give me my Scorpio NOW! #sickofwaiting

I'm the opposite. I hope they delay it until Fall 2018. The main reason is that Microsoft lost this gen and aren't catching up. A mid gen console isn't going to change that. Plus, why they would want to be known as the only company to lose twice in the same generation is beyond me? Seriously, Microsoft is better off waiting until Fall 2018 plus if it comes out at more than $400, having it be a true next gen console instead of a mid gen console will work more in their favor.

My dream scenario is Microsoft delaying the Scorpio until Fall 2018 with a new CPU in addition to everything else that they plan on doing. Purchase 51% of Ubisoft stock so they can prevent Vivendi from screwing them over and having the next AC game be exclusive to Scorpio as a launch title along side Halo 6, Crackdown 3 and Forza Horizon 4.

Microsoft does that even at $500, im in day one. Mid gen this year? Meh. Already have a mid-gen console and while it's finally starting to pick up in regards to doing what it should have been doing since launch, it's not worth $400 if you already own the base console.

I don't want to see Microsoft do the same thing. I'm sure they know the sales numbers for the other mid gen console and why they would want to follow in those footsteps is beyond me.

NOTE: This isn't meant to start anything. It's just what im hoping Microsoft does as I will be way more excited for Scorpio being next gen as opposed to mid gen.

[ricky24]

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I want Scorpio, give me my Scorpio NOW! #sickofwaiting

Agreed. I'm ready.

[mestevo]

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I'm the opposite. I hope they delay it until Fall 2018. The main reason is that Microsoft lost this gen and aren't catching up. A mid gen console isn't going to change that. Plus, why they would want to be known as the only company to lose twice in the same generation is beyond me? Seriously, Microsoft is better off waiting until Fall 2018 plus if it comes out at more than $400, having it be a true next gen console instead of a mid gen console will work more in their favor.

My dream scenario is Microsoft delaying the Scorpio until Fall 2018 with a new CPU in addition to everything else that they plan on doing. Purchase 51% of Ubisoft stock so they can prevent Vivendi from screwing them over and having the next AC game be exclusive to Scorpio as a launch title along side Halo 6, Crackdown 3 and Forza Horizon 4.

Microsoft does that even at $500, im in day one. Mid gen this year? Meh. Already have a mid-gen console and while it's finally starting to pick up in regards to doing what it should have been doing since launch, it's not worth $400 if you already own the base console.

I don't want to see Microsoft do the same thing. I'm sure they know the sales numbers for the other mid gen console and why they would want to follow in those footsteps is beyond me.

NOTE: This isn't meant to start anything. It's just what im hoping Microsoft does as I will be way more excited for Scorpio being next gen as opposed to mid gen.

Don't think MS cares, they'll release another significant revision around the time the PS5 releases. They're dismissing completely the idea of generations going forward.

No point releasing more of a bleeding edge console when they could make very big gains with existing cheaper technology and keep the price point down.

More and more over the next decade it will be about the installed devices capable of running titles rather than sales of a particular generation. A game like Rocket League could be released several years from now and run on 3 'generations' of hardware.

[ricky24]

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I think it all depends on what ps5 is. For all we know ps5 could be made with the plan of being on par with Scorpio.

[daniel77733]

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Don't think MS cares, they'll release another significant revision around the time the PS5 releases. They're dismissing completely the idea of generations going forward.

No point releasing more of a bleeding edge console when they could make very big gains with existing cheaper technology and keep the price point down.

More and more over the next decade it will be about the installed devices capable of running titles rather than sales of a particular generation. A game like Rocket League could be released several years from now and run on 3 'generations' of hardware.

I'm not a fan of revisions and I don't think they will succeed. Mid gen cycles is to me worse than starting a new generation because you're forcing the consumer to spend more money on what is basically the same console as what they already own but with slightly more graphical power.

If you spent $300 on Xbox One/Slim and then have to spend $400 on Scorpio and then spend another $400 on Scorpio 2 (or whatever it would be called), that's $1100 total not including tax, games, accessories, etc. Compare that to say $300 for Xbox One/Slim and then $500 for the next gen Scorpio console. That's $800 which sounds, looks and is a lot better than $1100 no matter how you slice it.

I see PS4 Pro and Xbox One Slim as what the original PS4 and Xbox One SHOULD have been (excluding the 4K/Blu Ray/HDR stuff). The look, style, capabilities, better GPU, etc. is what they should have been at launch. Not three years later.

I personally see PS4 PRO as a one and done. If Scorpio is mid gen, I see the same thing happening simply because outside of the hardcore fans or those who just want every new piece of tech, they won't sell. Sony sold 1M PS4 on launch day and announced it the next day. PRO has been rumored to have sold only 500K in November and December. To me, Sony and Microsoft are wasting more money, resources on a slight upgrade (or big upgrade for Microsoft) to what they currently have only to have to do the same thing in three years as opposed to just going all out with PS5 and Xbox 4 in Fall 2018.

Also, oversaturating the market is a horrible idea as it's never worked. It killed off Atari and led to the video game crash of 1984, it killed off Sega and forced them to go third party. It simply doesn't work.

Console gaming is NOT PC gaming, it's NOT mobile garbage or handheld gaming. There's a reason why console gaming has stayed consistent for over 30 years since the NES, because it works and is successful. Like they say, if it isn't broke, don't fix it.

In regards to the older games running on newer hardware, I don't see that as a major selling point. People buy new consoles to player newer games and new IP's, not games they already played. If that was true, everyone would still be playing an NES as opposed to a PS4 and Xbox One.

My main concern is that if you're Microsoft, why would you release a mid gen console that's connected to the console that lost? Makes no sense to me. Xbox One has done great in three years in general but if you compare it to PS4, it's being outsold almost 2-1. That's not good and I sure as hell wouldn't want consumers to focus and concentrate on it.

No combination of Scorpio/Xbox One Slim/Xbox One is ever going to get anywhere close to matching what PS4 has sold let alone surpass it so why hang on to that?

People will say...consumers will get pissed because they're being left behind. Sorry but that is such bullcrap which only exists because of the social media and sites like YouTube, Twitter, etc. There's been EIGHT generations and every single one of them has forced you to leave the previous one behind in order to advance and move forward.

Add in the fact that no consumer can complain about being left behind with a next gen console yet don't see that's exactly what's happening right now in the same generation? A game that runs 2160P/60FPS with HDR on PS4 PRO compared to the same game running at 1080P/30FPS with crappy to no HDR on the base PS4 IS leaving you behind but it's far worse because it's in the same console generation.

From my viewpoint, I just think that Microsoft will be making a mistake staying attached to Xbox One and following Sony in regards to having a mid gen console. And instead of mid gen consoles, why not release a console with ports so the user can upgrade at their own will/pace/cost? Answer is because they won't make as much money giving you the choice of what pieces of hardware to upgrade or not to upgrade.

A few more months to go until E3 and then we will see what exactly Microsoft does and what Scorpio is.

[joet6683]

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I'm the opposite. I hope they delay it until Fall 2018. The main reason is that Microsoft lost this gen and aren't catching up. A mid gen console isn't going to change that

You are aware it is possible to be a successful company, make money, put out profitable items, even if some other company sold more of a similar item? It is about being a successful business, not simply selling more than sony.

[daniel77733]

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You are aware it is possible to be a successful company, make money, put out profitable items, even if some other company sold more of a similar item? It is about being a successful business, not simply selling more than sony.

Yes but Microsoft usually loses money on consoles and accepts that in order to get as many of them into homes. Microsoft is profitable and successful when it comes to computer software. Video game side, not as much. Majority of consumers still believe that Xbox One still has all the horrible requirements from E3 2013. It doesn't matter if that's untrue. All that matters is perception and for the majority of consumers, that's the perception of the Xbox One.

This perception is why you get away from it and move on to the next gen console. Same thing Sony did with PS4 after PS3. You can't change the overall perception if you don't move on from it.

[ricky24]

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Nobody is forcing anybody to buy the Scorpio.

Has Microsoft confirmed it's only "slightly more powerful" than an Xbox one? Seems like that's not what they think at this point.

[WTF]

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It's vastly superior to the Xbox one and ps4 pro. Nothing incremental about it.

[joet6683]

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Majority of consumers still believe that Xbox One still has all the horrible requirements from E3 2013. It doesn't matter if that's untrue. All that matters is perception and for the majority of consumers, that's the perception of the Xbox One.

Is that a fact, or an opinion stated as a fact?

They were informed enough to know you don't have to insert a disk to play, but need to check in daily online to confirm your account still holds rights to this disk. But then they know it as DRM because the people like you who couldn't fully understand or grasp the idea of blending disk and digital sales need to bitch about how it is horrible DRM requirements. But now 3.5 years later they aren't informed enough, or no longer read your posts, to know it changed? A fact is a fact I guess.

Those consumers likely don't make anyone much, if any, money anyways. They cost them money to sell the console. Then they likely don't pay for live/psn, only purchase an occasional game here or there, maybe one every year or two. Just getting in more homes doesn't turn a profit. They make the majority of money on the repeat customers who buy lots of games, pay for the online service, etc.

Don't take this as truth as I need to find the article, but to give an idea there were numbers stated that the top 1% makes for 70% of profits or something like that. Those people likely are informed, likely have all consoles, likely want to play on the newest and/or most powerful.

[mgoblue]

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I think the key is that it'll still play the same games, and maybe eventually have exclusives...people will just get better graphics/performance from the same games. None of the next gen not playing prior gen games like we had. Scorpio could be ok.

[daniel77733]

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Is that a fact, or an opinion stated as a fact?

They were informed enough to know you don't have to insert a disk to play, but need to check in daily online to confirm your account still holds rights to this disk. But then they know it as DRM because the people like you who couldn't fully understand or grasp the idea of blending disk and digital sales need to bitch about how it is horrible DRM requirements. But now 3.5 years later they aren't informed enough, or no longer read your posts, to know it changed? A fact is a fact I guess.

Those consumers likely don't make anyone much, if any, money anyways. They cost them money to sell the console. Then they likely don't pay for live/psn, only purchase an occasional game here or there, maybe one every year or two. Just getting in more homes doesn't turn a profit. They make the majority of money on the repeat customers who buy lots of games, pay for the online service, etc.

Don't take this as truth as I need to find the article, but to give an idea there were numbers stated that the top 1% makes for 70% of profits or something like that. Those people likely are informed, likely have all consoles, likely want to play on the newest and/or most powerful.

Fact. It's what execs from GameStop told Phil Spencer at the GameStop Expo last year. Majority of consumers who came in to buy a console thought that Xbox One still had all of those restrictions and policies.

As for making money, the console manufacturers make money on software, online subs and licensing fees. This is why consoles are usually sold at a loss because they make it up and then some in the long run. After all, no console manufacturer is going to make any money period if their console is sitting on a store shelf as opposed to inside a consumer's home.

[daniel77733]

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Nobody is forcing anybody to buy the Scorpio.

Has Microsoft confirmed it's only "slightly more powerful" than an Xbox one? Seems like that's not what they think at this point.

It's vastly superior to the Xbox one and ps4 pro. Nothing incremental about it.

Scorpio is said to be 6TF of GPU power where as PS4 PRO is 4.2TF. So basically, that and 1/3rd more powerful. Compared to the original Xbox One, which correct me if im wrong is 1.8TF, Scorpio is more than triple the power.

If it only lasts three years and a new console is released, it's incremental. I want Microsoft to delay it a year so they can add in a far better CPU which is what I care about because it's tied to frame rates and more important aspects of game development but it's the GPU that publishers care about because you can market visuals where as you can't market frame rates.

The GPU power will be stronger but Spencer said it himself that Native 4K isn't going to happen. It will use the same techniques that Sony uses which is checker boarding.

This is why I want it to be delayed. I don't want it to be just another mid-gen console. Going to do this, better to go all out than half-assed.