Xbox One

[mgoblue]

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In reality it does affect us in some way. I completely disagree with the direction MS is going (mostly on principle, a bit on consumer rights and a bit that directly affects me [the kinect]) so while most of it is "on principle", I hate the precedent it is setting and actually wanted to buy both systems before this news came out.

I'm mostly mad at the way this gen shook out because I wanted to grab both systems, but can't support MS doing this (just like I can't support the steaming pile that is Windows 8.) I hate not having all the systems available to me but that's just the way life goes sometimes.

I understand. We'll see if Sony makes you happy either. I have a strong feeling that when Sony actually gives us info people will not be as happy with them....They're riding high after a mediocre showing just because people are pissed with MS, not because of what Sony's doing. They showed us Move, a controller, and some games...not like they detailed anything related to used games, online requirements, etc.

Want BC? Better be online (if they're streaming it like everyone's assuming)...Just one example...

You gotta think that they'll be expanding Playstation Plus somehow...probably adding a bit of restrictions

Just pointing out that the mystery box may not live up to expectations as well.

[23]

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This is the thing... you guys keep saying Sony this and Sony that.. this resistance has nothing to do with Sony.

M$ allowed the rumors to go on for days and weeks, months even.

M$ is the one who presented their box as a media hub for living rooms.

M$ is the one who garnered the ill will, whether it be principle or flat out using customers are data ginea pigs..or whatever you want to call it.

Its not even about what Sony hasn't said as much as people knowing exactly what they dont want from what they have seen.

Personally im asking people what it would take for them to like this system in particular to buy it because as it stands, what seems to be apart of the foundation of it seems to bother ALOT of people.

[mgoblue]

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This is the thing... you guys keep saying Sony this and Sony that.. this resistance has nothing to do with Sony.

M$ allowed the rumors to go on for days and weeks, months even.

M$ is the one who presented their box as a media hub for living rooms.

M$ is the one who garnered the ill will, whether it be principle or flat out using customers are data ginea pigs..or whatever you want to call it.

Its not even about what Sony hasn't said as much as people knowing exactly what they dont want from what they have seen.

Personally im asking people what it would take for them to like this system in particular to buy it because as it stands, what seems to be apart of the foundation of it seems to bother ALOT of people.

I understand that as well, but people are also making it seem like Sony's the "Anti MS" and isn't doing anything at all similar to what MS is.

Like I said, I'll wait until all the information is out there. I can't make a logical and rational decision until that point anyways.

There's so much misinformation out there that it's impossible to figure out what's real and what's fake/inferred/or is a "guess".

I will add that companies need to learn from MS and be more up front with info. All this questioning and confusion has really hurt the new system. It may not be perfect when they clear up the info, but it'll probably be better than the doom and gloom everyone's talking about. This announcement could not have gone worse for MS.

[23]

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I think its the focus, and they arent doing everything exactly alike.

Sony had a conference and managed not to tick people off this bad, so they did a half decent job of selling the system. E3 isn't necessarily going to change people's minds on M$ because they've let this build up over a long time then came in and added the cherry on top.

All of the jokes about it being rumors and all of that which came into be, its not that you wonder how they're so out of touch, you know its a pure M$ benefit to most of this, then aligning themselves to a company like EA at that.. that definitely doesn't help even a little.

[Phobia]

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I'm clicking like on several posts here that are kind of contradicting each other but I see both sides of this. I see Mgo point that its Sony has really made no showing positive or negative where MS has been really just screwing itself over and over which is what 23 has pointed out.

I think this interview for Sony was excellent though http://www.officialplaystationmagazi...michael-denny/

You take all the low points that MS has created

• Not focusing on the gamer
• more a media box
• invasion of privacy issues with kinect being forced

Then say the opposite and what the gamers want to hear.

That we wanted a very focused approach on the gamer

its almost like a supercharged PC specifically for gaming. This is a multitasking system like most PCs are but this is still a console made for gaming with gaming at its heart.

The same as we talk about being more social and the ability to import the social graph from your social network sites, and declare yourself to the world. Other people want the anonymity, I think it has to be the player's choice.

It was a excellent interview taking full advantage of MS mess ups. From a PR point of view Sony has been making all the right moves where MS has made nothing but miss steps.

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Just on merit of M$ alone, they lost people. Its not that Sony is offering the world, its that the world M$ is offering, people don't want it.

[mestevo]

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Just on merit of M$ alone, they lost people. Its not that Sony is offering the world, its that the world M$ is offering, people don't want it.

All a product of assumptions and hype gone awry, will be a minimal factor when it all comes down to it as long as both products deliver. That's where Sony comes in because they're not going to be as far off from much of this.

We even knew much of what was being announced yet there's still shock and awe over them not producing a 60 minute gaming presser. They told their story, they presented their vision and now we turn our focus to E3 for them to complete the gaming-centric side of things.

This is in stark contrast to Sony's conference. They've said very little about their own plans aside from a few brief statements here and there, yet some are already in purchase-justification mode when we have so much to learn about both consoles. Now in addition to games Sony gets to present the media functions of their console at E3.

You really can't put this on one without mention of the other, MS has made several missteps, but the lack of information is how Sony is gaining any ground, all that remans is what the finished products and services look like once the void of information is filled. As I've said before this is just the journey, which will be largely irrelevant when it comes to purchase decisions. Decisions will be made on facts by the vast majority of early adopters rather the angst from rumors gone wrong.

Until then, it's apparently a much easier reach to suggest someone is going to be watching while you watch CSI on your X1 instead of even the most basic privacy options.

[DocHolliday]

I truly think the hate has gone way to far and morphed Into almost an Internet sensation.

Welcome to the new social age, MS.

Thing is, I firmly believe that Sony will have the exact same used game protocol.

I also don't get the hate in kinect. It is like this first time we as consumers have had electronics come to the for-front of privacy. How many cameras does your city have following you everyday? Does your MacBook with its camera trained on the room gather info? What about your effin cell phone? Is the mic on listening? The camera? Are they tracking your emails?

Frankly I think everyone is giving themselves way to much credit. MS already knows you and your demographic. It's absurd you think they want to watch your every move.

I think alot stems from the patent (again....a patent....alot of redic patents) that kinect could detect the amount of people in the room and charge based on that. It's an idea guys, it's not happening anytime soon.

I'm buying the one. Hooking it up to my friggin Comcast box, and rocking the best controller in the biz.


Hell, I might even say "Xbox, on!"

[cjonesfan921]

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I think it's better I just...



until E3 and info for both consoles is known fully.

[mgoblue]

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All a product of assumptions and hype gone awry, will be a minimal factor when it all comes down to it as long as both products deliver. That's where Sony comes in because they're not going to be as far off from much of this.

We even knew much of what was being announced yet there's still shock and awe over them not producing a 60 minute gaming presser. They told their story, they presented their vision and now we turn our focus to E3 for them to complete the gaming-centric side of things.

This is in stark contrast to Sony's conference. They've said very little about their own plans aside from a few brief statements here and there, yet some are already in purchase-justification mode when we have so much to learn about both consoles. Now in addition to games Sony gets to present the media functions of their console at E3.

You really can't put this on one without mention of the other, MS has made several missteps, but the lack of information is how Sony is gaining any ground, all that remans is what the finished products and services look like once the void of information is filled. As I've said before this is just the journey, which will be largely irrelevant when it comes to purchase decisions. Decisions will be made on facts by the vast majority of early adopters rather the angst from rumors gone wrong.

Until then, it's apparently a much easier reach to suggest someone is going to be watching while you watch CSI on your X1 instead of even the most basic privacy options.

Good points! This is why I'm just calming down until we get more info.

[VDusen04]

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All a product of assumptions and hype gone awry, will be a minimal factor when it all comes down to it as long as both products deliver. That's where Sony comes in because they're not going to be as far off from much of this.

We even knew much of what was being announced yet there's still shock and awe over them not producing a 60 minute gaming presser. They told their story, they presented their vision and now we turn our focus to E3 for them to complete the gaming-centric side of things.

This is in stark contrast to Sony's conference. They've said very little about their own plans aside from a few brief statements here and there, yet some are already in purchase-justification mode when we have so much to learn about both consoles. Now in addition to games Sony gets to present the media functions of their console at E3.

You really can't put this on one without mention of the other, MS has made several missteps, but the lack of information is how Sony is gaining any ground, all that remans is what the finished products and services look like once the void of information is filled. As I've said before this is just the journey, which will be largely irrelevant when it comes to purchase decisions. Decisions will be made on facts by the vast majority of early adopters rather the angst from rumors gone wrong.

Until then, it's apparently a much easier reach to suggest someone is going to be watching while you watch CSI on your X1 instead of even the most basic privacy options.

You're on point with the idea of this all being a part of the process at this time. There's so much we think we know and so much we don't. So it seems we're just throwing around thoughts and ideas based upon what's out there thus far.

That said, I'm just hoping at least one of the platforms offers an experience that actually does not require online service to play offline games, does not force the connection or use of Kinect or Move, and generally allows gamers to strictly game and worry only about gaming if they so please. I mean, I'd love for my system to have options, but I will favor whomever can provide that versatile aspect without needlessly insisting we connect to what we may not want to connect to.

I'll be really bummed if the big XBox rumors are true. And I'd be really, really bummed if PS3 then came out and presented the same restrictions and requirements.

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All a product of assumptions and hype gone awry, will be a minimal factor when it all comes down to it as long as both products deliver. That's where Sony comes in because they're not going to be as far off from much of this.

We even knew much of what was being announced yet there's still shock and awe over them not producing a 60 minute gaming presser. They told their story, they presented their vision and now we turn our focus to E3 for them to complete the gaming-centric side of things.

This is in stark contrast to Sony's conference. They've said very little about their own plans aside from a few brief statements here and there, yet some are already in purchase-justification mode when we have so much to learn about both consoles. Now in addition to games Sony gets to present the media functions of their console at E3.

You really can't put this on one without mention of the other, MS has made several missteps, but the lack of information is how Sony is gaining any ground, all that remans is what the finished products and services look like once the void of information is filled. As I've said before this is just the journey, which will be largely irrelevant when it comes to purchase decisions. Decisions will be made on facts by the vast majority of early adopters rather the angst from rumors gone wrong.

Until then, it's apparently a much easier reach to suggest someone is going to be watching while you watch CSI on your X1 instead of even the most basic privacy options.

Again, M$ is responsible for the reactions they're getting, not Sony.

Whatever Sony presents even after they did their own conference, its on them.

M$ fired an employee on the whole always on thing in an internet debate, which is hilarious, and just going by what I see here, there are some willing to put their money where their mouth is, used games or not, but this kinect thing and internet thing has become an issue whether you want to believe it or not. How many people it remains to be seen.

They told their vision and it wasnt appealing to alot of people obviously. Sony gave some information but lets not act like it was none at all. What they did do was give enough to get people to want their new console or at least want to try it out. There are those threatening to jump to Sony just as there are those defending M$ every move as well..thats why all of this arguing is going on.

Im glad to be in the PC world because I can keep my money if I dont like either and get the same games I want with graphical upgrades and mods and not have anything forced on me.

[ubernoob]

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I truly think the hate has gone way to far and morphed Into almost an Internet sensation.

Somewhat true, somewhat not. Everyone I've talked to (in my PC guild and such, all of whom are over 25. Giant guild, spanning 20+ games with over 500+ active members) has valid reasons for not wanting the XBone. They all think MS is doing something stupid here. On other sites, I'm sure there are those hopping on to hop on - BUT don't think for a minute that people who aren't buying for valid reasons aren't the majority.

Welcome to the new social age, MS.

They brought this upon themselves.

Thing is, I firmly believe that Sony will have the exact same used game protocol.

Unknown. Sony knows how big of a deal this is to gamers. See: http://kotaku.com/ps4nodrm-the-next-...-son-510143287

I also don't get the hate in kinect it like it is the first time we as consumers have had electronics come to the for front of privacy. How many cameras does your city have following you everyday? Does your MacBook with its camera trained on the room gather info? What about your effin cell phone? Is the mic on listening? The camera? Are they tracking your emails?

The thing is, those are also offered without the camera options. I can buy a phone with no camera and it will still function just as well as a phone without. I can buy a laptop without a camera and microphone. I don't need my VIDEO GAME console to have a camera. It adds nothing to the experience for most gamers. It's not a privacy issue for me, it's the fact that most "hardcore gamers" or whatever you want to call us have no interest in the Kinect. The Wii sold the most out of any console this gen, yet nobody talks about it in relation to the 360/PS3 because it's not a console for gamers. It's a console for casual, social families and such. Why? Because they took the focus off the games, and went for gimmicks. That's fine, if MS wants to go that way (and it may be a smart business decision) but don't get up in arms if the "hardcore gaming" fanbase wants nothing to do with it.

Frankly I think everyone is giving themselves way to much credit. MS already knows you and your demographic. It's absurd you think they want to watch your every move.

Microsoft thinks it knows demographics. If they knew demographics, they would have known that Windows 8 would be a bomb, because it's not what people want out of their OS. The same thing that they think they know what we want out of our gaming console. They look at data, and not at how things interact.

I think alot stems from the patent (again....a patent....alot of redic patents) that kinect could detect the amount of people in the room and charge based on that. It's an idea guys, it's not happening anytime soon.

Of course nothing is confirmed. The fact is, if they can implement it they will. It's all about the $$$$. Has been with Microsoft always (as with all businesses.)

I'm buying the one. Hooking it up to my friggin Comcast box, and rocking the best controller in the biz.

Good, nobody is trying to convince you NOT to buy one. I hope you are happy with your purchase - that doesn't mean we aren't allowed to speak what our issues with MS and the direction they're taking the XBone. You speak with your money, we speak with ours.

Hell, I might even say "Xbox, on!"

"XBox, Go Home."

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[kingkilla56]

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I truly think the hate has gone way to far and morphed Into almost an Internet sensation.

Welcome to the new social age, MS.

Thing is, I firmly believe that Sony will have the exact same used game protocol.

I also don't get the hate in kinect it like it is the first time we as consumers have had electronics come to the for front of privacy. How many cameras does your city have following you everyday? Does your MacBook with its camera trained on the room gather info? What about your effin cell phone? Is the mic on listening? The camera? Are they tracking your emails?

Frankly I think everyone is giving themselves way to much credit. MS already knows you and your demographic. It's absurd you think they want to watch your every move.

I think alot stems from the patent (again....a patent....alot of redic patents) that kinect could detect the amount of people in the room and charge based on that. It's an idea guys, it's not happening anytime soon.

I'm buying the one. Hooking it up to my friggin Comcast box, and rocking the best controller in the biz.


Hell, I might even say "Xbox, on!"

You make it sound like Microsoft doesnt deserve the asskicking they are getting. You think if they just kept their mouths closed about used games (until either Sony or Gamestop or other outlets broke the news on behalf of both consoles), and didnt have online requirements and forced kinect, that they would be getting this backlash?

From my point of view, it comes down to this; there is no reason why my xbox should lock itself from me wether its because my Kinect is unplugged, or my internet is down. I bought the box, why is Microsoft so hungry to regulate it after the fact?

[mestevo]

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And I think most of us would agree with that, but one thing all of us can agree to is that we don't know what actually happens if either of those are true other than the answer could heavily influence a purchasing decision. We'll find out the facts and decisions will be made. Prosecuting based on those assumptions and continuing to go further down that rabbit hole is where I check out.