Xbox One

[Phobia]

Re: Xbox One

But see we dont own anything. We only buy the right to play the game; the license to play the game. So we should be grateful to even have the opportunity to give up any benefit we have had for the past 30 years of gaming history. Because we dont own anything see?

All Hail Microsoft!

While everyone is at it they should send back all their cartridge based games such as NES, SNES, and and N64, then take all their disk based games such as PS2, PS3, Xbox, and Xbox 360, don't make copies of the disk but just send them back to the publisher because you don't own that game even though you paid 50 to 60 bucks for it. You just rented the license! Get your UPS package labels ready

[Quint75]

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I get what your saying Quint, But the reality is you don't own the product, you are buying the license. This is the part that I think people don't understand or are confused about.

http://www.t3.com/news/microsoft-hasnt-stolen-your-games-from-you-and-heres-why

That is semantics, plain and simple. On past systems, I owned the game. It was mine to do with it as I pleased. Sell it to whomever I wanted at whatever price I could get. That is being taken away.

No one ever called GameStop and said "Do you have the license for NBA2K13 in stock?" Ever. If I buy a product, which despite what they tell you, you have been doing, then it is yours. This reminds me of the Divx disaster. Remember that, when they wanted to keep you from actually buying the DVDs and instead sought to sell you a license so you could only watch it a limited number of times? I hope this goes down in flames just as hard. Harder, even. This is anti-consumerism at it's worst.

Look, I am an older guy with disposable income. I can afford both systems and plenty of games. But part of the reason I buy games is because I can sell them or trade them in when I am done so that I essentially pay less for the next game. There is no way in hell I am going to keep buying games at even close to my current pace if my ability to recoup part of my money is curtailed. And make no mistake, whatever they have in mind, your used games are gonna be worth a lot less because they have extremely limited the way you can sell them. It's BS. If I am paying $50-70 for a game, I better be able to get some of that money back. Or there better be some new, liberal return policies because if I get stuck with a game I realize I don't like within a couple of hours of playing it, and I can't get any satisfaction on the used game market, I won't be buying a game unless I am 100% sure I am gonna like it. And it may very well take more than a demo for me to make such a decision.

And for the person that asked earlier, it seems as if renting games is dead on the new systems. Another glorious, consumer-friendly decision.

[Quint75]

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Can hardly wait til movies follow suit................

They tried. It was called Divx and it failed HARD. Let's hope the same thing happens here.

[kingkilla56]

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I won't be buying a game unless I am 100% sure I am gonna like it.

This imo is the biggest issue with the software policy revolution. If its not GTA, COD, Assassins Creed, Halo(lolHalo) who is gonna buy it? Gamers wont spend 60 bucks on games they cant trust. New IPs not backed by EA Activision Take 2 Ubi etc will be up ****s creek without a paddle.

And to be honest, its brilliant for those publishers to push this move.

[bigfnjoe96]

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I guess many people will be giving up this hobby. Services like Steam have some sort of DRM & restrictions on resale. Sony more than likely will be announcing a similar system as MS did, especially if the rumor that the BIG 3 Publishing houses are pushing for this.

It looks like we come to a cross-road in console gaming.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I guess many people will be giving up this hobby. Services like Steam have some sort of DRM & restrictions on resale. Sony more than likely will be announcing a similar system as MS did, especially if the rumor that the BIG 3 Publishing houses are pushing for this.

It looks like we come to a cross-road in console gaming.

Yeah, but how much are Steam games compared to what MS is gonna shoot for? Steam gets praised up and down every where I hear the name. I don't think MS wants to make that comparison.

Also, its my understanding that you can play offline games with the Steam service. Right?

I don't think people are having problems with the move to DRM and digital media. Its the draconian policies MS is wrapping its "services" around that is what people find troubling.

[23]

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I guess many people will be giving up on Xbox.

Services like Steam have some sort of DRM & restrictions on resale. Sony more than likely will be announcing a similar system as MS did, especially if the rumor that the BIG 3 Publishing houses are pushing for this.

It looks like we come to a cross-road in console gaming.

Looking more like that, and MS doesn't seem to care one bit.

Sony could have DRMx3 and people who have been alienated will probably still not buy this machine. That's what I dont get...how Sony and whomever else keeps getting pushed as doing it too, but youre talking to a bunch of guys who are Xbox 360 owners.

[av7]

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I guess many people will be giving up this hobby. Services like Steam have some sort of DRM & restrictions on resale. Sony more than likely will be announcing a similar system as MS did, especially if the rumor that the BIG 3 Publishing houses are pushing for this.

It looks like we come to a cross-road in console gaming.

Alienating their primary source of revenue, best business plan of 2013. If they manage to piss off enough people and they see a dip in their sales, they would/could/should adjust their gameplan to remedy it.

For me, I rent alot of console games through Gamefly. I buy most of my games through Steam so remove Gamefly and I have no need for a console.

[kingkilla56]

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I guess many people will be giving up this hobby. Services like Steam have some sort of DRM & restrictions on resale. Sony more than likely will be announcing a similar system as MS did, especially if the rumor that the BIG 3 Publishing houses are pushing for this.

It looks like we come to a cross-road in console gaming.

If the Xbone has sales similar to Steam where relatively fresh titles are going for 20 bucks new, then I'll give it up to them. But are we anticipating that for games that arent inherently doomed for low sales?

[PAPERNUT]

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I'm with you guys on the DRM/used games part and fully expect Sony to do the same on this, so we are all down that creek on this one. The two things that really get me are the Online always and Kinect privacy issues. Even though I have a somewhat reliable Internet connection, I just cannot take being told I have to have it to play a device at all. I just cannot go for that. And the lack of clarity in that Kinect announcement is still unclear and not worth the risk to take along with having to put up with the online always and DRM threats.

I think my mind is made up. As long as Sony does not include any damn camera or any online always or anything close to that type of regulation, then I am in with the PS4 and out with the One. Not sure anything on Monday will change my mind on the One, but I am still going to be watching the Sony announcement as they may try something stupid as well and I will just pass on both.

[AUChase]

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That's more or less how I feel, Paper.

I have a bad feeling we will all be forced to suffer because of the greedy gaming industry.

Used games are a huge part of my gaming. I tend to buy games months and even sometimes years after their release and get them used. If both consoles go that direction, I would still be a PS4 lean without the always on connection crap.

I just don't see developers wanting to go two different directions with the same product. Honestly, the PS4 hold enough weight to where they could still get developers to distribute games differently for their system.

All we can do is wait and hope for the best.

[23]

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I think someone, Patcher I think suggested they do something like not allow used games until after 2 months which is when its not supposed to affect the industry as much..something to that degree....

Not that that would make it right but it would sure be better than whats being proposed.

[Quint75]

I think someone, Patcher I think suggested they do something like not allow used games until after 2 months which is when its not supposed to affect the industry as much..something to that degree....

Not that that would make it right but it would sure be better than whats being proposed.

That I could handle. Still heavily leaning PS4 right now. I realize Sony hasn't revealed much, but I dislike so much of what MS has revealed to this point.

[spankdatazz22]

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This imo is the biggest issue with the software policy revolution. If its not GTA, COD, Assassins Creed, Halo(lolHalo) who is gonna buy it? Gamers wont spend 60 bucks on games they cant trust. New IPs not backed by EA Activision Take 2 Ubi etc will be up ****s creek without a paddle.

And to be honest, its brilliant for those publishers to push this move.

Guess the videogame market crash/correction is going to come sooner rather than later if Sony goes the route Microsoft is. And at this point I'd be shocked if they didn't; this has to be an issue that the bigger publishers are pushing for. I don't see how Microsoft publishes enough first party content to justify going this route on it's own.

Perhaps the only silver lining would be new games at a reduced cost. But they'd have to slice the MSRP by at least a third to $40, and I'd say half to $30 before people would take the loss of having the freedom to walk to the local Gamestop and purchase a game used at a decent price. I don't see how Microsoft (and perhaps Sony) gets around the more restrictive policy without lowering the MSRP.

[greenegt]

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I think my mind is made up. As long as Sony does not include any damn camera or any online always or anything close to that type of regulation, then I am in with the PS4 and out with the One. Not sure anything on Monday will change my mind on the One, but I am still going to be watching the Sony announcement as they may try something stupid as well and I will just pass on both.

That's where I am, as well. I am Sony's to lose, at this point. MS policies just went completely left from where they began with OG Xbox.