Xbox One

[aholbert32]

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Video game makers are the first to try this, so yes it is uncharted territory.

Who knows, if this is successful, maybe you see DVD's and CD's go the way of the DoDo so they can also recoup loses from Friends and secondary markets.

Also, I find differences in the medium, but lets not get into that.

What you arent seeing (and MS is risking) is that this will potentially lead to a lawsuit. This is a violation of the first sale doctrine in copyright. It also is the only item I can think of (that isnt consumable) that you can purchase but are restricted when it comes to reselling or giving.

All types of items from cars, homes, clothes, media etc. can all be resold to whomever the owner of the item wants. Also when those items are sold, the manufacturer doesnt get a cut from the sale or charge the new owner a fee to use the item. Its like me buying a Benz from a friend and having to pay MB $5,000 to get a key to start the car.

I own both systems now but I dont think I'm buying an XB1 if these restrictions stay and if the PS4 doesnt have these restrictions. We will see tomorrow what Sony does but I dont know how anyone could be happy with these restrictions.

[BellSKA]

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What is Microsoft's incentive for renting games instead of: your only option of experiencing the game is buying it retail?

Best case I see is like a 4-8 hour trial period for XBGold members only. Because you know they want you to pay for that too. XBL prices are sure to go up anyway.

Edit: Im bugging maybe like a 2 hour trial.

I see the incentive of pushing more console sales. 2nd hand is such a huge market in the US/ Canada that if you take it away you're not really incentivizing what you have. We're going to see a surge in sales if they start refusing to make games on the 360 and only on the X1.

If rental wasn't a profitable market we wouldn't see multiple companies doing it. There's money to be made, it's up to the consoles if they want to make it more lucrative or just do away with it.

I see your point about 'Why?', but the main answer to 'why not' is posted all over forums just like this. People aren't happy about not being able to 2nd hand games. It's their product, but we're the consumers.

[EnigmaNemesis]

No. Maybe you need to do a little research on the topic.

I have worked as a security contractor with level 2 clearance for the DoHS. I have plenty of research.

Stop being socially condition feed a cognitive convenience. You all will see soon. Unplug from the matrix and wake up.

[joet6683]

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Not if my friend lends me a DVD or a CD. Also using the Netflix example, there is a BIG difference between the pennies per subscriber that movie studios will get from Netflix versus the $60 per game developers will get by forcing you to buy the game instead of renting or borrowing it from a friend.

Movies get all the money from the box office when released (and I would guess more times than not alone covers the cost to make the movie.) They get netflix and whatever other rental money there is. DVD sales is probably their lowest percentage of money coming in.

Games...have sales. That is all. They don't really have any additional money coming in for their product. And DVD's being borrowed doesn't cost the studio anything. If the game is borrowed for a month with heavy play (assuming the person lending wasn't going to play much if at all) that is an additional month for a single copy of the game that the game studio may have to include server support for. Stretching the life of a single purchase by another month rather than 2 copies for a month or two each.

There was a link with a video where a guy was explaining all this stuff more in detail if you care to listen...

[DocHolliday]

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I have worked as a security contractor with level 2 clearance for the DoHS. I have plenty of research.

Stop being socially condition feed a cognitive convenience. You all will see soon. Unplug from the matrix and wake up.

haha. Good. then you know there are more important issues in relation to personal privacy than a friggin game console.

[EnigmaNemesis]

haha. Good. then you know there are more important issues in relation to personal privacy than a friggin game console.

Oh but it is more than a "game console". It is the "center of the living room".

[DukeC]

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So, don't know if this is true or if this was posted before. Still an unconfirmed rumor.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Micro...t-359264.shtml

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=577741

Article from Kotaku.

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-just-...-day-511766497

Discuss.

[aholbert32]

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Movies get all the money from the box office when released (and I would guess more times than not alone covers the cost to make the movie.) They get netflix and whatever other rental money there is. DVD sales is probably their lowest percentage of money coming in.

Games...have sales. That is all. They don't really have any additional money coming in for their product. And DVD's being borrowed doesn't cost the studio anything. If the game is borrowed for a month with heavy play (assuming the person lending wasn't going to play much if at all) that is an additional month for a single copy of the game that the game studio may have to include server support for. Stretching the life of a single purchase by another month rather than 2 copies for a month or two each.

There was a link with a video where a guy was explaining all this stuff more in detail if you care to listen...

Games have DLC and until a few weeks ago had internet passes as revenue generators. Thats not even including the revenue thats generated from the advertising that appears in games (especially sports games). In your example, game sales = movie box office. I agree with that but you are making my point.

I dont know how you can argue that DVD's being borrowed "doesnt cost the studio anything" but argue that borrowing games does. If someone lets me borrow the "Dark Knight", the studio doesnt get any revenue from that. If someone gives me TDK after watching it, the studio doesnt get a dime. I get to watch TDK by borrowing it or by gift instead of 1) spending 10-20 bucks to buy it or 2) spend 4-8 bucks to watch it On Demand. Thats revenue that the movie studio will never see.

The "server support" argument doesnt fly either. The game developer is only obligated to keep online support open for a game as long as they pledge to in the instruction booklet. I own a bunch of games (EA MMA, NHL2k10, NFL 2k5 etc) that still would have people playing it online if the studio had not shut down the servers for other games. If a studio states that online is guaranteed to be open for a game until 1 yr after the game is released, they have to keep online open for that amount of time. That doesnt mean that they cant reduce the number of servers dedicated to the game (THQ did that for UFC even after it went bankrupt and sold the license). Also, the cost of servers and server space is minimal compared to the revenue generated from buying a new game at $60.

My point is in every other media industry and consumer industry, once I buy an item....its mine. I can gift it or resell it without the original manufacturer getting money from the new owner. So many of you are blowing this off as if its not a big deal but it is. If we allow this (by purchasing XB1 without changes to the policy) we are saying to MS that we are fine with them pretty much eliminating the rental and used games business.

If Sony is smart, the ps4 wont have any of these restrictions and they should use that as an advertising point.

[kingkilla56]

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I see the incentive of pushing more console sales. 2nd hand is such a huge market in the US/ Canada that if you take it away you're not really incentivizing what you have. We're going to see a surge in sales if they start refusing to make games on the 360 and only on the X1.

If rental wasn't a profitable market we wouldn't see multiple companies doing it. There's money to be made, it's up to the consoles if they want to make it more lucrative or just do away with it.

I see your point about 'Why?', but the main answer to 'why not' is posted all over forums just like this. People aren't happy about not being able to 2nd hand games. It's their product, but we're the consumers.

But they have created a vice grip on how you can experience their games. Your only option is to buy it new, so they have no need to give you more options than that.

The only rental system I see them thinking about is a library of games that have been out for years or were abysmal in sales (which will be many more games now). But if you expect them to allow you to rent the new COD instead of forcing you to buy it new, you will be disappointed.

Dont underestimate how much power they have taken from you here.

[woz411]

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So, don't know if this is true or if this was posted before. Still an unconfirmed rumor.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Micro...t-359264.shtml

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=577741

Article from Kotaku.

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-just-...-day-511766497

Discuss.

yah at this point MS cant go **** themseleves, they are arragont cocky *******s and they wont get a cent of my moeny

[DocHolliday]

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yah at this point MS cant go **** themseleves, they are arragont cocky *******s and they wont get a cent of my moeny

Believing everything on the Internet....priceless

[Phobia]

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haha. Good. then you know there are more important issues in relation to personal privacy than a friggin game console.

Are you really that naive? So Verizon phone owners "its just a friggin phone", why would they snoop into your privacy since they have "more important issues"!

What I find crazy is people cant see past what is right in front their face and look at the grand picture. The more and more that is taken the more and more we lose.

Hey lets just put cameras is everyone's house, one on every street corner, and make our entire lives not private any longer, because judging by your responses if we leave it up to people like yourself that is the route we are going(well almost already there)

[woz411]

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Believing everything on the Internet....priceless

i should of put if true

[DocHolliday]

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Are you really that naive? So Verizon phone owners "its just a friggin phone", why would they snoop into your privacy since they have "more important issues"!

What I find crazy is people cant see past what is right in front their face and look at the grand picture. The more and more that is taken the more and more we lose.

Hey lets just put cameras is everyone's house, one on every street corner, and make our entire lives not private any longer, because judging by your responses if we leave it up to people like yourself that is the route we are going(well almost already there)

I think you mis interpreted that. I am saying if you are really concerned about the Privacy issues in the States, then there are far more grievous and intruding examples of that then a game console with a camera.

[TracerBullet]

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i should of put if true

It's still nothing new as stated twice already in this thread. You don't think Sony had Destiny and Watch Dogs thrown a little cash for their event? There's nothing new here. Just people trying to find a new way to be upset.