Xbox One

[DocHolliday]

Re: Xbox One

Oh boy. Here we go. SMH

You mean other ways to spy on us like smart phones that play games, and computers that play games?

Not TV connected multimedia consoles that play games?

Gotcha!

No. Maybe you need to do a little research on the topic.

[23]

Sorry 23, but your posting is indeed making you seem like a Sony Fanboy. Your hating and taking the negative out of everything MS.

Not that your alone in this, the entire Internet is behind you.

In m eyes, alot of people don't like change. They like what they have Become comfortable with. The xbone is a change. Good or bad....it's to early. I think it will probably end up being good.

Which is silly considering I have an xbox just like everybody else in here.. actually I have 2. I have all 3 systems and a pc.

I find it odd that xbox owners are calling other xbox owners sony anythings.

That said what I told him specifically stands. If he wants to troll then ill cite him. When you guys become mods you can handle these matters but until then lets move back to the X box.

Thank You

Galaxy Note 2

[DukeC]

Re: Xbox One

-In order for you, the consumer, to have a bunch of games to play, you need a healthy industry revolving around you. Regardless of what you think about, Piracy and used game sales affected the bottom line of the publishers and developers. DRM, while annoying, helps that.

-Always on. This is the one that bothered me most, as I have on occasion traveled with my 360 for work road trips. However, if the trade off is actually cloud based gaming and better perform ace in worlds, etc, I think in the long run I will be okay. Frankly, since the iPad has hit its stride, I haven't even considered traveling with the 360. If my cable goes out for a few hours or even a day or 2, I will be okay. I can find other things to do. I can see where the hardcores could be concerned though.

-Kinect always on. This is just ridiculous. There are way more concerning ways that the government may be "watching" us then a friggin game console. People that champion Privacy concerns by choosing a console are, IMO, totally out of touch. If you want to do something about encroachments of privacy, don't use Kinect as a bullet point. Its just stupid.

1. Piracy DOES NOT effect video game consoles to the extent you are making it out to be. Modding one's system is NOT a popular practice. At all.

As far as used games go it's either used games or no one buys your game period. This means the market is stable at best or is going to steadily decline at worst. Especially is the prices of the games don't change. At least with used games you get Word of Mouth advertising out there so people can properly support your next project (if the game was indeed any good). Like I said, you have no idea how huge the video game review industry is going to get with used games no longer being a viable option. Our only hope of getting an opinion of a game rests on either just dropping 60$ hoping the game is worth our time with no hope of recouping our investment (say for example the game is singleplayer with less than 10 hours of gameplay) or relying on the opinion of others to tell us is the game worth our time (IGN, GameSpot, GameInformer, etc).

2. Fair enough. If you're making the decision based on how it effects you that's fine and you're welcome to that opinion. However, a majority of the people don't see the benefit, because prices of games are most likely not going to change. If the prices stay the same, you'll still have the same amount of people buying new at best, or a decreased amount otherwise (due to financial situation).

3. Meh. It doesn't really concern me since I've already made up my mind I'm not getting an X1, but I can see why they might champion that cause though (considering it's making headlines in other countries besides just this one....)

[DocHolliday]

Re: Xbox One

1. Piracy DOES NOT effect video game consoles to the extent you are making it out to be. Modding one's system is NOT a popular practice. At all.

Yes I would agree with this. However, I also think they are trying to cut down on friends that just pass games along after finishing them to other people. There is no way to actually quantify how much this happens, but I would assume it is a decent number. I see no problem with this. You should pay to play these games, and the money should go to the correct parties.

[Cusefan]

Piracy is a huge problem is in the Worlds largest Video Game market: China. It is a twofold problem, Piracy is huge in China but so many games are banned by the state it doesn't really matter

[Pappy Knuckles]

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Yes I would agree with this. However, I also think they are trying to cut down on friends that just pass games along after finishing them to other people. There is no way to actually quantify how much this happens, but I would assume it is a decent number. I see no problem with this. You should pay to play these games, and the money should go to the correct parties.

Why do they deserve any money after the initial purchase of the game though? After I buy something, why shouldn't I be free to do with it as I wish. I can understand them wanting to milk as much money out of us as they can, but that just doesn't sit right with me.

[superjames1992]

Re: Xbox One

Most people don't buy both consoles. The PS4 is absolutely relevant to the Xbone and vice-versa.

[p_rushing]

Re: Xbox One

Yes I would agree with this. However, I also think they are trying to cut down on friends that just pass games along after finishing them to other people. There is no way to actually quantify how much this happens, but I would assume it is a decent number. I see no problem with this. You should pay to play these games, and the money should go to the correct parties.

Why would they expect to get any money from the person getting the free game? That person isn't paying full price and used games probably won't be enough of a discount to get them to buy the game when they didn't buy it with today's cheap used prices.

[aholbert32]

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Yes I would agree with this. However, I also think they are trying to cut down on friends that just pass games along after finishing them to other people. There is no way to actually quantify how much this happens, but I would assume it is a decent number. I see no problem with this. You should pay to play these games, and the money should go to the correct parties.

I dont think its a DECENT number at all. I think its very small. I'll let a friend borrow a game but give it to him? Nah, because I purchased the game and would like the trade-in value no matter what the price. Like others have said, all these restrictions will do is make me by less games.

Ive purchased 4 games in the past 6 mos and two of them I purchased because I rented them and tried them out before purchasing. I wouldve never purchased them without renting them first.

[aholbert32]

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Piracy is a huge problem is in the Worlds largest Video Game market: China. It is a twofold problem, Piracy is huge in China but so many games are banned by the state it doesn't really matter

The Xbox market in China isnt that huge to cause these restrictions. Piracy is a ****ing red herring and MS and the game publishers know it.

[DocHolliday]

Re: Xbox One

Why would they expect to get any money from the person getting the free game? That person isn't paying full price and used games probably won't be enough of a discount to get them to buy the game when they didn't buy it with today's cheap used prices.

Well the whole point is that someone is getting the full game experience for free because their Bro is cool enough to give them the game. I don't really see a problem with them trying to recoup that potential lose. Sure, maybe they would have just not bought the game, but there is also a good chance they would have bought the game as well.

Im just saying, in business terms, that I agree with Pubs/Developers trying to get that percentage of cash. Hell, if you enjoyed the game you should feel compelled to buy the game regardless in support.

[aholbert32]

Re: Xbox One

Well the whole point is that someone is getting the full game experience for free because their Bro is cool enough to give them the game. I don't really see a problem with them trying to recoup that potential lose. Sure, maybe they would have just not bought the game, but there is also a good chance they would have bought the game as well.

Im just saying, in business terms, that I agree with Pubs/Developers trying to get that percentage of cash. Hell, if you enjoyed the game you should feel compelled to buy the game regardless in support.

So I guess you feel the same way about movies and music. I pay 9 bucks a month for Netflix and a small percentage of that goes to the movie studios. A much less percentage than they would get if I watched the same movie in the theater or purchased the DVD or if I borrowed the DVD from a friend. Your argument would be that I should pay full price for each rental. I'm getting the full movie experience, right?

Same goes if I borrowed or a friend gave me a CD. I'm getting the full music experience there too.

[DocHolliday]

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So I guess you feel the same way about movies and music. I pay 9 bucks a month for Netflix and a small percentage of that goes to the movie studios. A much less percentage than they would get if I watched the same movie in the theater or purchased the DVD or if I borrowed the DVD from a friend. Your argument would be that I should pay full price for each rental. I'm getting the full movie experience, right?

Same goes if I borrowed or a friend gave me a CD. I'm getting the full music experience there too.

Well I guess the point being that, even though it is small, they are still getting a percentage that probably adds up to a significant chunk of money.

[aholbert32]

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Well I guess the point being that, even though it is small, they are still getting a percentage that probably adds up to a significant chunk of money.

Not if my friend lends me a DVD or a CD. Also using the Netflix example, there is a BIG difference between the pennies per subscriber that movie studios will get from Netflix versus the $60 per game developers will get by forcing you to buy the game instead of renting or borrowing it from a friend.

[DocHolliday]

Re: Xbox One

Not if my friend lends me a DVD or a CD. Also using the Netflix example, there is a BIG difference between the pennies per subscriber that movie studios will get from Netflix versus the $60 per game developers will get by forcing you to buy the game instead of renting or borrowing it from a friend.

Video game makers are the first to try this, so yes it is uncharted territory.

Who knows, if this is successful, maybe you see DVD's and CD's go the way of the DoDo so they can also recoup loses from Friends and secondary markets.

Also, I find differences in the medium, but lets not get into that.