PlayStation 4 Discussion

[NYGiants4Natic]

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Well, then your statements should be prefaced with "my source at GameStop" or "from what I've been told" or even a simple "IMO"; not posted as fact. They're far from it. A GameStop manager (or GameStop employee in general) is not exactly the type of source I would be staking my reputation on.

An opinion is one thing, we all have them, but the amount of nonsense I hear spewed from behind the counters at GameStops is laughable. That information certainly shouldn't be relayed on here as hard truth.

never said it was hard truth or confirmed. It was info I got from a manager who gets info from companies. You can choose to not believe it and is fine but i never said it was fact. If you go back and see when I posted other info i stated it was from a game stop manager. If it was fact and guaranteed I would provide a link.

Its a forum and speculation is a huge part of posting on forums. If we only posted with things were confirmed then it would be a dead town

based on some of his info that I got I choose to think he is closer to correct then not but nothing is fact

[ckarlic]

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never said it was hard truth or confirmed. It was info I got from a manager who gets info from companies. You can choose to not believe it and is fine but i never said it was fact. If you go back and see when I posted other info i stated it was from a game stop manager. If it was fact and guaranteed I would provide a link.



Its a forum and speculation is a huge part of posting on forums. If we only posted with things were confirmed then it would be a dead town



based on some of his info that I got I choose to think he is closer to correct then not but nothing is fact

I'll take any new info I can get. I hope you are right. Definitely looking forward to the launch. I'm just thirsty for some new solid info and not just rumour. Hopefully we hear something official from Sony soon


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[Smallville102001]

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Yeah I guess the more I think about it, maybe the Scorpio does launch for 500 or less.

If the power difference between NEO and Scorpio is as rumored, which again I have no idea what is gonna end up happening, but if the RUMORED specs are true, the Scorpio is obviously pretty significantly more powerful than NEO and in that case I would have to think Sony keeps it 75-100 dollars less than whatever the Scorpio is.

For the record I know nothing about business, merchandising, etc. I am just guessing as a guy who loves to spend money on cool stuff, lol. I could be way off

I don't know much about business either but if NEO is less powerful then Scorpio like the leaks say then yeah you would think it would cost less.

Also do not worry as GameStop will offer trade ins but the value is subjective as some might want most of it covered which wont be the case

Right now at gamestop you get 200 for the ps4 and if that stays on a 450 console you cant ask for much more

PS4 has kept a good value and I feel you might get 250 on 450 console

Well if they do that and it does cost 450 like that you would basically be paying 200 more + tax. Also I don't have a gamestop close by. The closet one to me is like a hour away and I don't know how to get to it. Now I don't know if they do trade up stuff online or not but even if they do I am sure you would have to pay for shipping to. So it then would be like 200 + tax + shipping. Now if they do the 250 on 450 thing and on top of that if the NEO has a bigger hard drive then maybe I would do it because then really it would be like paying less then 200 because I am going to need to get a bigger hard drive any way and that cost extra money. Right now I have about 44 GB left on my hard drive. The other thing is NX is right around the Conner next year.

Comparing NEO to the base PS4, it is a minimal upgrade. It's not as good as some think it is. People who know far more than I do said that based on the leaked specs, it's no guarantee that games hit 1080P/60FPS let alone anything better. The 4K stuff isn't for games at all. It's for all the video content. Personally, I think both companies are pushing for 4K too soon. They should wait to it really builds a user base of gamers so they can properly take advantage of it all.

For NEO at the rumored leaked specs (which if it releases this year, I think those specs are accurate) turn out to be true, I would say that you'll get 1080P/locked 30FPS on a consistent basis. Only developers who could do better would be the first party studios.

While frame rate is more important than resolution, I actually have a bigger concern than both - all the "pop-in"/"pop-up" that's in virtually every single game regardless of the console, publisher and developer. It's beyond annoying especially when it can be a lot at times. Granted, optimization comes into play but to see this in virtually every single game is ridiculous in my opinion. Really hope the upgraded consoles eliminate as much of this as possible.

Scorpio will blow away NEO based on all the current specs and yeah, it will be able to run games in 4K but you'll still be able to play them on current HDTV. Games will be like the games for PS4 once NEO gets released in which there's two modes and which gets selected will be based on the console you own - Scorpio or slim/base.

I see $450 for NEO as too high. $400 should be the maximum. The console was $400 three years ago and consoles are supposed to decrease in price and despite the disc drive, it shouldn't go past $400 while the base should go down to $300.

Scorpio should probably be $500 or more based on the specs but I see Microsoft taking the loss on the console. Microsoft isn't Nintendo. They want to be number one. They want to dominate. And if it means losing money to do so, that's what they will do. Besides, I think Scorpio being about 15 months away will allow them to release the console at $400.

Think about it...if NEO comes out later this year at $400 and Scorpio comes out a year later for $400 but blows away NEO spec wise, let's be honest, NEO will look obsolete in comparison. That's another reason why I think that Microsoft would take a loss on the console. Wouldn't be the first time and sure as hell wouldn't be the last time.

As for trade in deals, Microsoft has already said that they will be working with retailers for trade in deals towards Scorpio but no one knows how good those deals will be. I don't see Sony doing any kind of trade in deals. I do see GameStop doing trade in/trade up deals but I think that's way more GameStop than Sony and/or Microsoft.

Really hoping for trade in deal for the base Xbox One towards the 500GB slim. That will make me happy.

As for NEO and Scorpio, right now my interest is 5% and 0% respectively. I'll wait for Digital Foundry to do comparison videos especially for NEO if it launches this year with the leaked specs. If the difference is minimal, I'll just stay with my base PS4.

Scorpio's interest is zero because PS4 is my primary for multi-platform games and after State of Decay 2, I don't have a single exclusive for the console so for me personally, Scorpio isn't of any interest to me.

Just have to wait and see what happens. I still don't like any of it at all but the bigger issue is will Sony release NEO and PSVR at the same time? To me, that's very risky.

As for NX, I'll be surprised if it even matches the base Xbox One in terms of specs and power. I truly see another gimmick based console. As of right now, there's a better chance of me buying the rumored SNES Classic console than NX. LOL.

I think NX will surpass both normal xboxone and ps4 power wise even if it is small amount more powerful. Yes it may have another gimmick but even though wii u had a gimmick it was still slightly more powerful then both xbox360 and ps3 so I don't see why NX could do the same kind of thing. When it comes to VR and NEO year that may not be a great idea. When it comes to the 400 thing for NEO and Scorpio even if that is true and even if NEO is a lot less powerful considering Scorpio comes out a year latter maybe Sony could cut the price of the NEO down to 300 by the time Scorpio comes out next year. That way it would be cheaper and out before the Scorpio to kind of make up for being less powerful. I have heard people say that the Scorpio is not going to be cheap but if it is above 500 people are going to kill them just like people did with sony and ps3 and its 600 price.


When it comes to NEO and 4k and frame rate. I find the whole 30 vs 60 FPS thing to be very overrated because from what I have seen on the internet and my self most people like 90% of people cant tell the difference and have no idea if a game is 60 or 30 in less some one tells them. There are games that are proven to be 60 yet people say the game doesn't run smooth and there are games that are 30 that are smooth. Now the problem is when a game is below 30 FPS because then it starts to look like it is running in slow motion. But 60 or 30 doesn't really matter at all.


Now when it comes the whole 1080p vs 4k thing just about ever game on ps4 is already 1080p so I don't see why a more powerful system cant at least have some games above 1080p even if it is not 4k like say some games at 1440p. Just about ever ps4 game is at worst 1080p and 30 FPS. So I don't see why at least some games cant be 1080p and 60 FPS or even 1440p with 30 FPS or something like that.


When it comes to 4k and games yeah I agree they should want. From what I have heard 4k still cost a lot to make games at and I think Scorpio is going to be like upscaled 4k and not real 4k.

In all fairness I'd be willing to pay $600 for Scorpio given the specs it will have. It's going to be a powerful console, but I don't expect others to feel the same. I tend to always want the latest tech stuff so it's different with me. I remember paying $600 for the PS3 when it first came out. I bought 2 consoles and sold one on eBay for $1200.


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I bought ps3 for 500 but I can understand how you fell but yeah we know a lot of people are not going to want to pay 600 and even more so when it has only been like 3-4 years after Xboxone came out in the first place.

[kwebbvols4423]

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[TheBleedingRed21]

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Sorry but with a wife and two kids, I'm not paying $600 for a console that can run more FPS than what it does currently. I'd actually even bet on it not being near $600, it'd be a very lost oppertunity for Sony to limit their sales with such a high figure on an "upgrade" and not a new console.

[DickDalewood]

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I find it very hard to believe it would be priced anywhere near $600. Time will tell of course but I just can't imagine that being the case.

$400-450 though and I'm all in. Especially if I can get around $200 for my current system.

[dubcity]

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Also do not worry as GameStop will offer trade ins but the value is subjective as some might want most of it covered which wont be the case

Right now at gamestop you get 200 for the ps4 and if that stays on a 450 console you cant ask for much more

PS4 has kept a good value and I feel you might get 250 on 450 console

The day the Neo drops, so will the trade-in value of the regular PS4. Definitely would not count on getting $200. Likely we'll see the price of a new PS4 down to $275-$300 by then.

[Artman22]

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I find it very hard to believe it would be priced anywhere near $600. Time will tell of course but I just can't imagine that being the case.

$400-450 though and I'm all in. Especially if I can get around $200 for my current system.

Yea I agree. I said I was willing to pay that much, but it wouldn't make sense for Microsoft to price Scorpio that high. If the prices are too high it won't attract customers. If They want to remain competitive it should around $500.


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[The JareBear]

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400-450 seems more realistic for NEO, IMO. But I dunno.

Either way, I'm looking forward to the official release statement hopefully in the not too distant future

[Artman22]

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Yea I was talking about Scorpio my bad. I agree $400-$450 for NEO seems fair.


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[daniel77733]

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Here's something that im curious about since a lot of other forums seem to be against this but for those of you who only play and own a PS4, are you going to buy Rise of the Tomb Raider on October 11th?

I see so much hate towards this game in other forums and it's a shame because the game is excellent and worth playing in my opinion.

[Picci]

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Here's something that im curious about since a lot of other forums seem to be against this but for those of you who only play and own a PS4, are you going to buy Rise of the Tomb Raider on October 11th?

I see so much hate towards this game in other forums and it's a shame because the game is excellent and worth playing in my opinion.

Should be kept in the ROTTR thread so I answered there.

[DickDalewood]

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100% buying.

I've actually held off playing it on Xbone just to play on PS4.

[LowerWolf]

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Here's something that im curious about since a lot of other forums seem to be against this but for those of you who only play and own a PS4, are you going to buy Rise of the Tomb Raider on October 11th?

I see so much hate towards this game in other forums and it's a shame because the game is excellent and worth playing in my opinion.

I'm getting it day one.