PlayStation 4 Discussion

[Blzer]

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Why is everyone so excited about a new console anyways?

Spending hundreds of dollars for marginal improvements seems to be everyone's thing now when we should be expecting more from what we have. I have a ridiculous backlog of PS4 games I may never even get to and I feel like the console still has a lot of life left.

I haven't even been reading most of the posts because it's serious TLDR content.

The Last Dove Russ?

No, seriously I agree. I loathe when new consoles come out, especially when they don't provide any backwards compatibility. The only thing that pushed me over the edge to get a PS4 when I did was because of Remote Play with my Vita, which I use quite a lot and was a worthy investment, though I sadly haven't given some PS3 games their due.

There are games that I have purchased for $60 even and still haven't opened, and others I haven't given the hours they deserve even though I wished heartily to have them at the time. I'll provide recompense for them when the time permits me to (like summer as I did with last year's backlog), but currently I'm committed to other games until then.

I am not ready for PS5, and hope it doesn't release till the Roman numeral year PSV (since P and S don't exist, I guess that year is called poo-sousand and five).

[mestevo]

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I'm more interested in new consoles because Sony has a lot to respond to after everything Microsoft and to a lesser extent Nintendo have done over the last generation.

It's an opportunity to innovate, and also an opportunity not to.



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[peter42O]

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I'm more interested in new consoles because Sony has a lot to respond to after everything Microsoft and to a lesser extent Nintendo have done over the last generation.

It's an opportunity to innovate, and also an opportunity not to.

While I agree that Sony has more to respond to, I believe that Microsoft has the most important aspect that needs a response - exclusives from their first party development studios and great exclusives. Not average mediocre exclusives because that's not going to get the job done.

I can understand Sony needing to address backwards compatibility and cross-play but other than those two things, what else does Sony really need to do? And even these two things are minor in the eyes of the vast majority of gamers who own a PlayStation 4.

As for Nintendo, what??? Nintendo is always at least a generation behind both Sony and Microsoft. What could Sony possibly learn from them? And no, Sony should not waste their money, time or resources on a hybrid console simply because it would either be a cheap weak device (ala Switch) or way too expensive because it would be too powerful.

Again, I can understand a few things from Microsoft but I don't see a single thing that Sony should copy from Nintendo at all.

[mestevo]

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Microsoft has responded to the exclusive games issue though, with Xbox Game Studios. How successful that is remains to be seen.

MS has a successful cross-play / cross-buy / play anywhere program, programs once touted by Sony but unable or unwilling to get even their 1st parties to go along with. They have a multi-generational ecosystem and expanding on that remains their stated purpose for the immediate future.

Nintendo has shown that mobile consoles continue to be viable with yet another unique form factor and approach, and we're about to see Microsoft go mobile (on what looks like every device with a screen that will have them) w/ xCloud. Sony's PS Now generates the most revenue of the ancillary services (Game Pass, EA Access, etc), are they going to expand on that any further after a tepid PC release? Microsoft is betting so much on streaming they've got a low cost console that will likely rely on this service, will this be another service Sony kinda-sorta rolled out but then watch rivals innovate and enjoy more success?

A lot of these are seismic shifts in the industry. While I'm sure the faithful would be happy with just more hardware power, remasters and a stable of exclusive games, gaming is so much more (like it or not) and there are options provoding a lot more value for our time and money.

The company 'for the gamers' has been largely silent or indifferent about a number of these value added services and/or innovations on services they themselves once attempted or still continue to offer. Will they commit to a multi-generational strategy to encourage digital purchasing and loyalty, how will they expand on the success of PS Now? Disc to digital? VR strategy? Will they adopt a mobile scheme to compete with others or cede that to MS and Nintendo?

So yeah, I maintain Sony has a lot to respond to, and we should all hope it results in a lot of news borne from competition for us as gamers.

[peter42O]

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Microsoft has responded to the exclusive games issue though, with Xbox Game Studios. How successful that is remains to be seen.

MS has a successful cross-play / cross-buy / play anywhere program, programs once touted by Sony but unable or unwilling to get even their 1st parties to go along with. They have a multi-generational ecosystem and expanding on that remains their stated purpose for the immediate future.

Nintendo has shown that mobile consoles continue to be viable with yet another unique form factor and approach, and we're about to see Microsoft go mobile (on what looks like every device with a screen that will have them) w/ xCloud. Sony's PS Now generates the most revenue of the ancillary services (Game Pass, EA Access, etc), are they going to expand on that any further after a tepid PC release? Microsoft is betting so much on streaming they've got a low cost console that will likely rely on this service, will this be another service Sony kinda-sorta rolled out but then watch rivals innovate and enjoy more success?

A lot of these are seismic shifts in the industry. While I'm sure the faithful would be happy with just more hardware power, remasters and a stable of exclusive games, gaming is so much more (like it or not) and there are options provoding a lot more value for our time and money.

The company 'for the gamers' has been largely silent or indifferent about a number of these value added services and/or innovations on services they themselves once attempted or still continue to offer. Will they commit to a multi-generational strategy to encourage digital purchasing and loyalty, how will they expand on the success of PS Now? Disc to digital? VR strategy? Will they adopt a mobile scheme to compete with others or cede that to MS and Nintendo?

So yeah, I maintain Sony has a lot to respond to, and we should all hope it results in a lot of news borne from competition for us as gamers.

Microsoft has acquired several studios but outside of Playground and The Initiative, all the studios are either AA or worse. Not to mention the fact that they are all years away from their games being released and it remains to be seen if they're any good or better.

Sony has cross buy and remote play with Vita. They won't do play anywhere simply because that's not their strategy or direction. I do agree that they should allow cross-play and backwards compatibility and they will with PS5 but at the same time, if it wasn't for the success of Fortnite Battle Royale (the base game was a bomb until Battle Royale took off), cross-play wouldn't even be mentioned whatsoever. Backwards Compatibility is only mentioned because Microsoft has it but even then, it's not full 100% BC. It's simply based on if the respective IP holders allow it. I do believe that Sony will have both day one on PS5. I simply wouldn't waste any money, time or resources trying to implement any of this now because business wise, there's no point with next gen less than two years away.

Microsoft's direction is completely different. Due to Game Pass, they're simply focusing on quantity and they don't care if you buy an Xbox or not. Hell, they actually prefer it if you don't buy the console and only buy the software. For someone like me and vast majority of PS4 owners, I want the hardware manufacturer to actually care about the console and want people to buy it. As for Nintendo, they will always own the handheld market. If I was Sony, I wouldn't even waste my time because no one is going to beat them in this regard. As for streaming, no thanks. Every console should allow physical discs, digital downloads and streaming (like they do now) but in no way, shape or form do I want to see Sony release a streaming only device. Thankfully, there hasn't been a single rumor about Sony doing this and I highly doubt that they will. As for the competition having more success, that remains to be seen. Streaming is still non-existent for many countries and when you add in data caps, forget about it. You would be paying as much money to play a game as you would be when buying the console. Streaming is at least a decade away. Microsoft is doing it because they know they can't go toe to toe with Sony or Nintendo for that matter when it comes to the area that matters most - exclusive games so their direction is completely different. I don't want to see Sony follow Microsoft's direction at all because yeah, I'll get great services and features but it won't matter because I won't have great games to play on their console which makes those positives non-existent for a gamer like me.

Depends on what the options and stuff is. For me, I want one console can do it all (like they do now) and in terms of services, features, etc. that's simply not as important as some may think that it is. If it was, Microsoft's 2013 plan wouldn't have blown up in their face.

I believe Sony will give you cross platform play and backwards compatibility with PS5. Sony is the only hardware manufacturer to have their own VR unit which they will continue with for next gen. They will expand PS Now but not to where you may think. I simply believe that they will make the service better but it will be console/PC only. I don't see them expanding to other devices because they did that already and no one used it which is why they shutdown that part.

Sony has a mobile division but outside of that, I believe that they will stay away from it because for them, it's not really viable or makes any money. The more devices that you're on, the more money it costs to operate and maintain it all and if it's just a small minimal return, there's no reason for it and I wouldn't do it either.

As for handheld, I see Sony staying away from it. Nintendo owns this market and always will. No point in wasting tens of millions if not more into an area that will always belong to Nintendo.

Personally, even if PS5 wasn't to have cross-play or bc, im still there day one because they give me the best games out of the three which is what I care about the most. None of the other positives will matter if you don't offer great exclusives. With that said, I do believe that Sony will have both at launch for PS5. Now though? Nah, no point.

[Picci]

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I think the both of you make valid points which is why they're both highly anticipated news and why there are so many inquiries about it in these forums.

For me, its curiosity about the PS5 and what new innovations in VR and quality AAA games as well as gamer friendly services that we hope to hear about next. This generation has been superb for Sony. Even the unification of the PS Network has closed the gap that Live had over the years. And to think, there's still so many quality games still left to come. But, what comes next?

As for Xbox, this will be the first generation that I have actually skipped because of the lack of quality AAA titles, lack of early Indie and VR support. I need a reason to purchase the Xbox brand. Power is not what I care about even though I understand the beauty of it. Makes for a highly anticipated E3 for me that's for sure.

[ricky24]

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Crossplay came up before Fortnite with Rocket league.


It’s obviously not fair to insinuate Microsoft doesn’t care about their hardware either.


Just a couple things I noticed while skimming through that post.

[peter42O]

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Crossplay came up before Fortnite with Rocket league.


It’s obviously not fair to insinuate Microsoft doesn’t care about their hardware either.


Just a couple things I noticed while skimming through that post.

True in regards to the cross play issue BUT it was never truly an issue or a mainstream problem until Fortnite Battle Royale. In other words, if Battle Royale didn't take off to become what it is, cross play would still be a minor if that area for Sony to discuss. After all, if the games aren't good or big, majority wouldn't care to begin with.

Actually, Microsoft not caring about hardware isn't from me. It's from Jez Corden of Windows Central who's on an Xbox focused podcast with Rand Al Thor on youtube and they've both said that Microsoft prefers NOT to sell their consoles. They care more about just getting you into their eco-system, doesn't matter if it's PC, tablets, mobile, whatever. That's their direction and one that's not for everyone. Jez also has sources and has been verified to knowing a great deal of information. It's not from some nobody. It's from a guy who's very credible.

[peter42O]

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Just finished Detroit. Definitely some emotion throughout the game and the best choice and consequence game out there today. Enjoyed the story and characters. Gorgeous game. Great audio. A lot of replayability as well. Great game. An 8.0/10 for me personally.

[ricky24]

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True in regards to the cross play issue BUT it was never truly an issue or a mainstream problem until Fortnite Battle Royale. In other words, if Battle Royale didn't take off to become what it is, cross play would still be a minor if that area for Sony to discuss. After all, if the games aren't good or big, majority wouldn't care to begin with.

Actually, Microsoft not caring about hardware isn't from me. It's from Jez Corden of Windows Central who's on an Xbox focused podcast with Rand Al Thor on youtube and they've both said that Microsoft prefers NOT to sell their consoles. They care more about just getting you into their eco-system, doesn't matter if it's PC, tablets, mobile, whatever. That's their direction and one that's not for everyone. Jez also has sources and has been verified to knowing a great deal of information. It's not from some nobody. It's from a guy who's very credible.

It was all over the place with rocket league.


I don’t care about whatever a guy says on a podcast. The insinuation that Microsoft doesn’t care about their hardware is laughable. They can do all of what you’re mentioning and still push out great hardware. If they didn’t care about hardware the OneX wouldn’t be a thing.

[peter42O]

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It was all over the place with rocket league.


I don’t care about whatever a guy says on a podcast. The insinuation that Microsoft doesn’t care about their hardware is laughable. They can do all of what you’re mentioning and still push out great hardware. If they didn’t care about hardware the OneX wouldn’t be a thing.

It's not that they don't care about the hardware. They don't care if you buy it. They care about just getting you into their eco-system. That's their entire focus and direction. It's why they're doing streaming and have their games on PC and will have their games on mobile devices as well. They don't care where you play their games as long as you're playing their games.

[ricky24]

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It's not that they don't care about the hardware. They don't care if you buy it.

I highly doubt this is true. Let’s pretend it is. So they are a video game company that pushes playing video games. What’s the problem here?

[peter42O]

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I highly doubt this is true. Let’s pretend it is. So they are a video game company that pushes playing video games. What’s the problem here?

Microsoft is a software company first and foremost. Always have been and always will be. For me, the problem is that I want consoles and traditional gaming which is why im not the biggest Microsoft fan. I want them to keep consoles but look at them with Xbox Live going on Switch. Eventually, they want Game Pass on everything including the competition's hardware. It's been their direction and focus since Spencer has been in power replacing Terry Myerson. Trust me, all this stuff is from those who follow Microsoft and know more than I do about their direction, focus and plans.

They will push games, yes, they just don't care where you play them and if anything, not buying their console but buying their games say on PC or another device makes them more money because they're not losing anything because you're not buying their hardware. It's all about Spencer wanting to get as many gamers as possible even if that means via PC, mobile or even competing platforms. It's simply their direction bud. In other words, the complete opposite of Sony's direction.

[ricky24]

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Yeah I dunno. They definitely still care if you buy their hardware regardless of how many times you say they don’t. Do what you want obviously but you could just not bother with the other options and go about using the console like you always have. When I’m playing a game the thought of where other people can play it definitely doesn’t factor into my enjoyment in any way at all.

[peter42O]

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Yeah I dunno. They definitely still care if you buy their hardware regardless of how many times you say they don’t. Do what you want obviously but you could just not bother with the other options and go about using the console like you always have. When I’m playing a game the thought of where other people can play it definitely doesn’t factor into my enjoyment in any way at all.

I own all three but PS4 is 90% of my play time. I just wish and hope that next gen, Microsoft gives me more exclusives than they have this gen. I personally would love to see Xbox 4 be what PS4 is this gen. That would make me very happy simply because I get a lot more games to play. And that's why im a console gamer. Plain and simple.