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  • SPTO
    binging
    • Feb 2003
    • 68046

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    Film to come out in theatres and DVD at same time

    Looks like my proposal to release movies on DVD at the same time as the theatre run may become a reality even tho this is an indie film at least it's a small step in that direction

    Chicago Sun-Times article

    An indie-film by Oscar-winning director Steven Soderbergh figures into a grand experiment that just might herald the future of how audiences view first-run movies. As new technology allows consumers to get faster access to music, movies and TV series, one company is upping the ante by opening Soderbergh's small film, "Bubble," in theaters and on high-definition cable this Friday. A few days later, it also will be released on DVD.

    "The industry and, more important, consumers, are ready to hear somebody say, 'The way it is now doesn't make sense anymore,'" says Todd Wagner, co-owner of 2929 Entertainment, which is financing and releasing "Bubble." "The [old] model is, I don't want to go so far as to say broken, but [it] certainly doesn't align with the way people want to consume entertainment today."

    The simultaneous release is a little-used practice known in Hollywood as "day-and-date." The goal is to put the film on as many screens as possible, including home TVs, to capitalize on viewers who do not or cannot go to theaters. It is estimated that only 10 percent of the U.S. population consistently attends movies.

    While this new venture may delight makers and distributors of smaller films, which have a hard time getting a mass release in theaters, it is by no means applauded across the board. Owners of small independent movie houses might admire the innovation but also fear what it means for their business.

    Concerns are high at Chicago's Music Box Theatre, which has built a thriving business with an admirable lineup of documentary, independent and foreign films.

    "The idea gives us great concern," said Music Box program director Brian Andriotti. "We don't have other sources of revenue to fall back on. We make our living through exhibiting films on a first-run basis. If this system takes hold, it would kill the small independent exhibitor."

    Major Hollywood studios also are riled up, and the country's largest chains are snubbing "Bubble," (which opens Friday at Landmark Century) because they object to the three-way release. But the combination of a high-profile director and the backing of billionaires Wagner and Mark Cuban have studios and theater owners also paying close attention to the experiment.

    "You have to pay attention," says Tom Sherak, a partner in Revolution Studios, which recently released "Rent," "The Fog" and the upcoming "Freedomland." "I'm not quite sure it's a good thing for the business as we know it, but the business changes every 20 seconds now."

    "It's an interesting concept," said Brian Ross, Landmark's senior regional publicist in Chicago. "I don't see it as a threat at all. The plus side is that it will reach people who can't come to the theater. In the end, it will mean new exposure for this smaller product."

    For Soderbergh, the triple-release presents a chance to get more offbeat, unusual and non-commercial filmmaking experiments in front of viewers. "Otherwise, it's an idea that wouldn't have seen the light of day," he admits.

    The "Bubble" multi-release is the brainstorm of Wagner and Dallas Mavericks owner Cuban, two high-tech businessmen who sold their company Broadcast.com to Yahoo in 1999 for $5.7 billion and then turned their attention to the movie industry. Founders of 2929 Entertainment, they also own Magnolia Pictures, Landmark Theatres and HDNet Movies, the cable channel that will air the movies.

    Currently, Hollywood studios make millions of dollars using a long-standing distribution system. Films are first released in theaters, with a debut on home video about four months later. When DVD sales max out, a movie debuts on pay cable networks like HBO or Showtime.

    After high-profile, star-studded films like "Ocean's Eleven" and "Traffic," which earned him a best-director Oscar, Soderbergh returns to his low-budget, "sex, lies and videotape" roots with the $1.6 million "Bubble," a murder mystery set in a doll factory. Soderbergh plans to make at least six films for release this way. He's working on "The Good German," with George Clooney, which is slotted for a traditional release. But he hopes to start another "Bubble"-type film next year. "I'm convinced that five years from now, everything is going to go out like this," he says.

    Regardless of the inevitability of changes in movie distribution, major theater owners are holding firm, saying that it ultimately will cost them customers.

    AMC Theatres, which has 3,500 screens, believes "a film released on DVD the same day and date wouldn't play well in a theatrical environment, just as a made-for-TV movie wouldn't play well, either," says spokeswoman Melanie Bell.

    "We don't like it," says Terrell Falk of Cinemark USA Inc., which has 3,357 screens. "If it's out on DVD, we wouldn't show it in any of our first-run theaters."

    That attitude puts fear in major Hollywood studios, which need to keep exhibitors happy or they won't get the thousands of screens necessary to remain competitive.

    But Walt Disney Co. has shown interest in the idea. And Rainbow Media, a division of Cablevision, plans to release eight to 24 films a year via video-on-demand systems at the same time they debut in theaters. The idea, executives say, is to create a "virtual art house."

    "For us, it's not meant to make trouble," said Joshua Sapan, president and CEO of Rainbow Media. "We think [the films] will do better in the theaters if there is more buzz around it, even if it's available on television."

    But the Music Box's Andriotti disagrees: "Movies may be in a period of transition, but preserving that theatrical window is important. We do this because we love it, and we try to make a profit for everyone involved. It might be great to get movies to a wider audience, but you also have to think about the flip side of this and its effect on independent exhibitors."

    Contributing: USA Today, AP
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  • Fresh Tendrils
    Strike Hard and Fade Away
    • Jul 2002
    • 36131

    #2
    Re: Film to come out in theatres and DVD at same time

    I don't see this happening with the big distributors though.



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    • billmatic
      Treble Complete
      • Nov 2004
      • 7365

      #3
      Re: Film to come out in theatres and DVD at same time

      seems like box office numbers would take a big hit if they did that. i know there's no way in hell i would pay $10 for a movie ticket (not even counting a ticket for the gf, food, etc.) if i could buy it that same day on dvd for under $20.

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      • ex carrabba fan
        I'll thank him for you
        • Oct 2004
        • 32744

        #4
        Re: Film to come out in theatres and DVD at same time

        Originally posted by SPTO
        Looks like my proposal to release movies on DVD at the same time as the theatre run may become a reality even tho this is an indie film at least it's a small step in that direction

        Chicago Sun-Times article
        this makes no cents.

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        • SPTO
          binging
          • Feb 2003
          • 68046

          #5
          Re: Film to come out in theatres and DVD at same time

          Originally posted by billmatic
          seems like box office numbers would take a big hit if they did that. i know there's no way in hell i would pay $10 for a movie ticket (not even counting a ticket for the gf, food, etc.) if i could buy it that same day on dvd for under $20.

          This is the main reason I want to see the big distributors do this tho. It may force the theatre chain owners to actually charge REASONABLE prices.
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          • Beantown
            #DoYourJob
            • Feb 2005
            • 31523

            #6
            Re: Film to come out in theatres and DVD at same time

            Originally posted by SPTO
            This is the main reason I want to see the big distributors do this tho. It may force the theatre chain owners to actually charge REASONABLE prices.
            That'd be a nice change.

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            • Silverstring
              Pro
              • Feb 2003
              • 739

              #7
              Re: Film to come out in theatres and DVD at same time

              Originally posted by SPTO
              This is the main reason I want to see the big distributors do this tho. It may force the theatre chain owners to actually charge REASONABLE prices.

              Ah, but the theater chain owners(exhibitors) aren't the ones who charge those prices. It's in the studio's control. The movie ticket price goes to the studios, the exhibitors make their money off CONSESSIONS, not ticket sales(that's why the stuff costs so much). It gets more complicated from there....
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              • Silverstring
                Pro
                • Feb 2003
                • 739

                #8
                Re: Film to come out in theatres and DVD at same time

                Originally posted by Fresh Tendrils
                I don't see this happening with the big distributors though.
                Me neither, but I'll go a step farther and say that I HOPE it never happens.

                I'm sorry, but I just don't want the traditional experience to go away. It's not that I don't think the prices aren't expensive(I usually see 4-5 films each month at the theater), or that there sometimes are annoyances(crying babies, etc.). To me, there is VALUE in the theater experience over the home experience, and I say that as someone who has invested thousands into their own "home theater" equipment. To wit(and you may disagree...if so, respond!):

                1) The BIG screen: no matter how big and expensive your plasma, LCD, CRT or projector is, it is not THAT big.

                2) 35mm projection: when you know what to look for, there is a certain clarity and "warmth" to 35mm that DVDs or even digital projection can't match. Even the best DVD transfers can still struggle from artifacting, texture/frame problems, color saturation, edge enhancement(the "halo" effect), black reproduction, etc. Modern TVs and DVD players often do some work to try to correct/minimize these problems, but if the source material is bad, it just is.

                3) Sound: again, your/my home theater isn't THIS good, or loud(at reference level).

                4) The communal experience: The feeling of experiencing something in a group/crowd. Just like going to a sporting event is fundamentally different from watching a sporting event at home, I value the experience of a movie crowd. Just like everyone, I occasionally get unlucky with a baby, talking teenagers, or cell-phone answerers, but, at least at the theaters I go to, these are the exceptions rather than the norm. I like being at a comedy and a great joke makes laughter spread throughout the audience, or at a thriller or horror film, when you can FEEL the tension in the air, or at an emotional moment, when you fell like everyone is gonna lose it during a particularly heartbreaking scene. I like the "social" aspect of going to the movies

                5)Lighting- Unless you are lucky and/or rich, most home theaters are placed in standard family rooms, which have to sometimes deal with both artificial and natural lighting elements. Rarely can the "pitch black" of the conventional theater be replicated in the home arena. Any time you go to the theater, its DARK. You can't usually get that at home until nighttime, if even then.

                6) Insulation from distractions: Again, perhaps I'm just lucky with the theaters near me, but most people are quiet, respectful, and watch the movie. People may complain about cell phones and talking, but the home theater is equally dangerous, in my opinion. Doorbells, phonecalls, other members of the household making noise, road/street noise, etc. are all very distracting to a movie watching experience.

                7) Concessions: Again, maybe I'm a traditionalist(and the concessions are expensive), but there is just something about going to the movies and grabbing popcorn and a drink, and maybe even candy with friends. Just like a ballpark hot dog tastes unique, home popcorn DOES NOT taste like movie theater popcorn.

                8) The previews for the coming attractions: Can't get these at home, and seeing them on the big screen with surround sound really gets me excited/intrigued for a film much more than a medium quicktime trailer on the internet. And if you've been going to the movies for any length of time, you should know how to time yourself to miss the commercials and just hit the previews.

                There you go. THere are advantages to catching a film at home, but it my mind they are outweighed, by a comfortable margin, to going to the theaters. Other than cost, the only advantages to seeing a film at home that cannot be replicated by the theater that are perceptible to me are: comfort(i.e. laying on the couch, wearing whatever you want), and not adhering to a schedule(you start and end a movie when you want), and, of course, cost. I don't wear a suit to the movies and I'm pretty comfortable in those plush seats, so the first point is a wash for me. I don't find it hard to adhere to a schedule or pay money to get all the other advantages.

                I really really hope this option is never taken away from me because people rather stay home and watch on DVD, and the exhibitors cannot sustain themselves.
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                • SPTO
                  binging
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 68046

                  #9
                  Re: Film to come out in theatres and DVD at same time

                  That was a great post silverstring. I agree for the most part but I think there is room for movies to be released on different media simultaneously. It's not like every single person in North America will ditch going to the theatres. Some movies are clearly made for the big screen like KING KONG.

                  Maybe i'm too optimistic in my thinking but I truly believe there's room to do releases like this without totally wrecking the traditional movie business.
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                  • Graphik
                    Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 10582

                    #10
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                    Great post Silverstring. I can see you're are movie goer like a friend of mine. They live for the theater experience.

                    As for me, I prefer the home experience. I have a 100+" projection screen and while its nowhere close to what you'd see at the theater, I get that theater feeling when I'm watching it so its close to the same. As for sound, I'm not a big audiphile but I do know how to hook up some sorround sound. I got 6 speakers playing when I'm usually watching movies and it can get pretty loud and engaging when I crank it up. Luckily we own a home so no worries about neirbors.


                    Lighting is one you got me on, my projector only shows good at night and in the summer, it does'nt get really dark until 8pm or so. We're in the process of selling our home and buying another so this time, I'm looking out for a house with a nice sized basement that will provide the correct darkness.

                    2 things I dont like that you listed is the communial experience and cosessions. I'd take the comfort of lying on my couch with my feet up vs sitting in some unconfortable chairs with ppl slurping slushis and crumbling snack bags all around me. Then you got the ppl who like to put their feet on your chair and the constant talkers. Like you said its not the norm however. As for food, I hate paying 4 bucks for some nachos or some candy. I heard that it cost the movie theater literally under a dollar to buy a huge 50 pound bag of popcorn and they turn around and charge you 4 bucks for less than 1 percent of the bag. Thats crazy.

                    Anyway, to get back on topic, if dvds came out the same day as theaters, I'd be one who would buy the dvd instead of pay 10 bucks to see it in the theater.
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                    • Skerik
                      Living in this tube
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 5215

                      #11
                      Re: Film to come out in theatres and DVD at same time

                      Originally posted by Silverstring
                      1) The BIG screen
                      I have a 110" screen and, given how close I sit to that compared to how close I sit to a theater screen, they're both equally immersive.

                      Originally posted by Silverstring
                      2) 35mm projection
                      What you call "warmth," I call noise. On a good home theater with a good DVD transfer, you will always experience a superior picture quality to the big screen. The bigger a screen is, the worse a bad picture will look on it. So whatever artificing, haloing or saturation you see on a small home theater screen is just magnified 10x on a theater screen. Plus, on home theaters you don't get those giant "blips" on the screen like you do during a theater movie. Even if you're dealing with lousy source material, which is rare these days, you'll still get a much more tolerable-to-look-at picture on DVD than on the big screen. Plus, many movies undergo some level of digital cleanup before they're even released on DVD.

                      Originally posted by Silverstring
                      3) Sound
                      My home theater actually is this good. YMMV.

                      Originally posted by Silverstring
                      4) The communal experience
                      When I watch a movie I want to be immersed in the story - I don't want to be mindful that I'm sitting in a theater watching the story unfold on a big screen. Distractions around me, like other people making noises, only serve to remind me that I'm outside the movie looking in, instead of being immersed entirely within the story. Your sports analogy is especially out of place because, honestly, do you want to have people cheering while you're watching a movie? I sure don't. My movie experience is between me and the movie, not between me and the people sitting around me.

                      Originally posted by Silverstring
                      5)Lighting
                      I have my screen in my living room, but I've installed blackout shades that really do turn that room pitch black. Again, YMMV but lighting sure isn't on my list of reasons to go to the movies.

                      Originally posted by Silverstring
                      6) Insulation from distractions
                      To compare the home environment to the movie theater environment in terms of distractions is preposterous at best. The people at all the theaters around me are beyond awful in terms of respecting their fellow theatergoers. The "insulation from distractions" is probably the #1 reason I don't go to the movies anymore. Phonecalls? Can't you just take the phone off the hook? I can do that a lot easier than I can make the guy down the row from me chewing popcorn as loud as he can shut up....

                      Originally posted by Silverstring
                      7) Concessions
                      Eh. Even when I used to go to the theaters, we always bought food/drink on the outside and carried it in as opposed to paying like $5 for a bag of M&Ms. I don't miss the snacks at all and when you watch at home, you can eat whatever you want instead of being tied to what the theater has.

                      Originally posted by Silverstring
                      8) The previews for the coming attractions
                      I've learned to not really be excited by previews because you can make any movie look good with a 90-second string of quick cuts. For as short as they are, I'll just watch them on my regular TV or on my PC.

                      I used to go to the theaters a lot and now I barely go at all unless it's to see a movie I'm just desperate to see, period. But if I could, I'd watch every single movie on my home theater and never go to the movies again. For someone who lacks even a medium-quality home theater setup to watch a movie I could understand the utility of a movie theater, but only as a last resort. I way, way, way prefer the home experience.
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                      • forensicd
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 1565

                        #12
                        Re: Film to come out in theatres and DVD at same time

                        I actually like being at home watching movies. I have my basement set up as a movie theatre pretty much, with a 65" mitsubishi HD, Full harmon kardon surround and 20" sub, and it is also sound proof insulated (had to to keep bass from echoing and waking up wife and kid). I have light dampening shades so when i dont want light in, no light gets in. With 2 large leather couches, the experience is so much better than sitting in a cramped theatre. I stopped going to movies in 2001, mainly because Im 6'6" and can barely fit in the seats. I sat through the 2nd lord of the rings, and afterwards told myslef i will just build my own theatre and be comfortable for once. The only problem i have is i dont pay 20 bucks for dvds, and always get them used at blockbuster (the one near me now has all used dvds for 5.99). I dont really care to see a movie when it first comes out, the thing i hate is waiting 6-8 months for the dvd to be released. I wouldnt mind renting it over satelite however for the same price as a theatre ticket. Then, friends and family could watch it, and i could tivo it if i want to watch it again. The theatre is just too much these days. When my wife and i would go it would end up osting me 20-30 bucks for tickets, popcorn and drink. I could get up to 4-5 dvds for that, and with how karasotes has monopolized the movie theatre business, im no longer giving them any more of my money.
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                        • ObiWanJenkins

                          #13
                          Re: Film to come out in theatres and DVD at same time

                          Releasing a DVD the same day as a theatrical release would spell the end of movie theatre chains everywhere. There just aren't enough people that would pay to see the movie in theatre when they could just buy the DVD and take it home. It's a horrible idea that I hope will be limited to low budget indy flicks.

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                          • X*Cell
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                            • Sep 2002
                            • 8107

                            #14
                            Re: Film to come out in theatres and DVD at same time

                            Simple:

                            Theater: $10

                            Renting the DVD: $4.50 (With Special Features)

                            What is the point of even going to the theater to see it???
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                            • Graphik
                              Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 10582

                              #15
                              Re: Film to come out in theatres and DVD at same time

                              Originally posted by ObiWanJenkins
                              Releasing a DVD the same day as a theatrical release would spell the end of movie theatre chains everywhere. There just aren't enough people that would pay to see the movie in theatre when they could just buy the DVD and take it home. It's a horrible idea that I hope will be limited to low budget indy flicks.
                              I read somewhere that alot of movie studios are planning on releasing dvds right when the movie gets pulled from the theater. I've already seen evidence of this last year with a few movies.
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