Proof (D12) is dead?

[TheMatrix31]

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JD and MattG....great posts, and thank you both.

[Boltman]

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He didn't bring up race,so why did you? Gang members are like M and M's. They come in all colors.

If he is a cop then I am sure he is disgusted with these senseless acts of violence. My uncle Paul is a cop in Detroit. He's Black and shares the same feelings as MattG. My uncle says "**** the dumb" . The reason why? He has seen so many innocent victims hurt,or killed by gun toting thugs including his son. He was 17 and heading to college in NYC that fall. He was killed by a Crip that thought he was someone else.

I left Detroit in 01. I had enough. I lived off Mack Ave on the eastside. I was walking out of a coney island resturant and caught a stray in the shoulder. At the time I was with my wife and 6 year old son. My brother Anthony was killed when he was 13. He was caught in a crossfire coming home from his school just off of Van ****. Senseless.

It's sad this young brother was killed. But you have to ask,what the hell was he doing with a gun? He was in a spot know for violence and he was there at 4 or 5 in the morning. If he didn't have the gun I think he would be alive today. He put himself in a bad position and he paid the price.

Why do so many brothers that make their money in the rap game feel the need to live the life they rap about? Is it a "keeping it real thing"? Respect? If so it does nothing to help our community. What would be "real" is to stop shooting each other over stupid *** beefs. I don't see Coldplay beefing with Nickleback over street cred. It makes us look bad. One thug all thugs is how we are judged. It's not fair. But we are the only ones that are going to change that perception. But it just keeps getting worse. You know what's sad? Some people will glorify his death. They will say he went out like a soldier. What a waste.

Awesome post, my condolences on your loss.

Agreed 100%

[Boltman]

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As others have said I did not bring up race...why did you? I have often found that those who yell loudest are often the guilty.

I am a cop and I see stuff day in and day out I can't explain or understand. Why do people continue to kill each other over the most trivial of things. The last one I went to was a few weeks ago. The two individuals never knew each other. One just knew that the other wasn't a local banger and when he claimed and the other didn't respond...he shot at him. Worst part was he missed his target and hit the other guys girl behind him.

If my comments offend you...I'm sorry. My job is to get the worst people off the streets so the rest of us can live as much of a crime free life as possible. People who have no respect for others, carry guns, then go out drinking and doing who knows what else fall in that category. They are unpredictable and more importantly dangerous. If he wasn't a famous rapper would you want him in your local hangout, around your family, living in your neighborhood?

Agreed, while the self cleaning oven is going to upset a few people, I agree with your sentiments.

I'd never feel pitty for an idiot who was in a place like that, at a time like that then pulling a gun.

[Jackdog]

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http://www.dispatch.com/features-story.php?story=dispatch/2006/04/15/20060415-B1-00.html

Some of the quotes in this artical make me want to throw up.

‘‘That’s where their hard-core audience is. Most of the guys who are hot resonate in the streets. And it’s also where they will run into a lot of trouble. So, in rap, just doing what it takes to be well-known puts you at risk."

"If your image is predicated on boldness, on in-your-face lyrics, if you’re in a situation like that and it gets out that you did back down, it doesn’t help your sales and your image."

"Many of us rappers are trapped within the stereotypes and images projected and sensationalized by the media," he said. "We find ourselves trying to live these wild-cowboys ideas. Our concept of manhood is taught on a street level."

"The streets won’t love you if they don’t see you. You have to be a field general. You got to be out there."

Ignorant and destructive bull****. So every kid that loves rap,loves violence? They won't buy CD's unless the artist is a thug? If that's true,what does that say about our communities? I can't believe people are willing to put themselves in positions to be killed over music. WTF has happened to us? I really believe this does not represent how the majority of rap fans feel. At least I hope.



Here is a partial list of rappers killed.

http://www.dispatch.com/features-story.php?story=dispatch/2006/04/15/20060415-B1-01.html

[Pared]

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I have come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as retirement In hip hop. Theres only forced retirement..A bullet to the head..How many rappers have been killed in the past 3 yrs!! Thing is, a lot get money, but still act & behave like they were poor & in the hood. Keep the same friends etc..Seriously, you need to separate yourself from this..Hang with ppl who don't get introuble & who don't influence you to do bad shzt..Move to a better area..Avoid your old stomping grounds..If not, the past will catch up with you..

To be fair... do you honestly think a rapper off the streets can do all these things you bring up and not be labeled a sell out? Look at Ja....

Either way though, at least he's alive...

[jmood88]

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http://www.dispatch.com/features-sto...415-B1-00.html

Some of the quotes in this artical make me want to throw up.









Ignorant and destructive bull****. So every kid that loves rap,loves violence? They won't buy CD's unless the artist is a thug? If that's true,what does that say about our communities? I can't believe people are willing to put themselves in positions to be killed over music. WTF has happened to us? I really believe this does not represent how the majority of rap fans feel. At least I hope.



Here is a partial list of rappers killed.

http://www.dispatch.com/features-sto...415-B1-01.html

I read that article. They pretty much don't know what they're talking about and only know about mainstream rap.

[Boltman]

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To be fair... do you honestly think a rapper off the streets can do all these things you bring up and not be labeled a sell out? Look at Ja....

Either way though, at least he's alive...

Sellout Schmellout, f*ck it! Go the route of a Ja Rule, Nelly, etc... they may be considered sell outs, but dudes got mad loot. They live in the burbs (saw their pads on cribs LOL). And the key final note is they are ALIVE. They dont die in some sh*hole neighborhood club at 4am to a gunshot to the head.

Let all the "non sellout's" that are keeping it real get shot. Like B Brown said...it's their perrogative.


I realize there is more to the hip hop community than negativity, I'm not just talking people like common, many others also strive to do more than "be thug" and inspire others minds no doubt.

But people like this well.........

JackDog pretty much summed it up, no pity at all for those types "caught up in the game". hehe

[Brandon13]

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060418/ap_en_mu/rapper_killed

Can't really say that I feel bad that Proof died.

[Lintyfresh85]

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kinda interesting that there is no manslaughter charges let alone murder in this case. The guy that killed Proof only gets gun charges. I guess cause Proof fired first it took away manslaughter and murder charges? I'm just kinda confused how you can kill and only go to jail for gun charges... anyone know why that is?

[Vince]

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kinda interesting that there is no manslaughter charges let alone murder in this case. The guy that killed Proof only gets gun charges. I guess cause Proof fired first it took away manslaughter and murder charges? I'm just kinda confused how you can kill and only go to jail for gun charges... anyone know why that is?

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