The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

[ex carrabba fan]

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Anyone think Cillian Murphy is getting calls right about now? I was just watching Begins today, and he's just excellent as The Scarecrow...

Bring him back as an even more demented Crow in the third one and I think they could probably still make a decent end to the trilogy.

Edit: His IMDB page says he's in The Dark Knight... I had no clue. Has this been confirmed?

Maybe towards the end, they show some sort of hint of the Crow.. only to let it be assumed he'll be in the third like they did with the Joker at the end of BB.

[Lintyfresh85]

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No, he's in it. I just found some production photos of him getting out of a van in the mask. He's definitely in The Dark Knight.

Here's the link...

http://www.cilliansite.com/fandom/en...-the-scarecrow

[ex carrabba fan]

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No, he's in it. I just found some production photos of him getting out of a van in the mask. He's definitely in The Dark Knight.

Here's the link...

http://www.cilliansite.com/fandom/en...-the-scarecrow

SWEET, he's an awesome Scarecrow. They cast everyone brilliantly. Except Two Face, I just see his character like the one in the cartoon. A dark haired, dark skinned, broad shouldered guy.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Scarecrow is in it towards the beginning, but I believe its a very small role. I personally think Two-Face for the third movie will be enough to end the trilogy - though I wouldn't mind seeing Selina Kyle.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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http://www.newsweek.com/id/105580

Charisma as Natural as Gravity


By Christopher Nolan | NEWSWEEK

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<!--AD END--> Heath Ledger, 28, Actor

Best known for his haunting, Oscar-nominated performance as Ennis Del Mar, one of the gay cowboys in 2005 ' s "Brokeback Mountain," Ledger was a massive young talent on the cusp of greatness when he died last week in New York. The native Australian, who is survived by his 2-year-old daughter, Matilda, had recently finished work on this summer's "Batman" sequel, "The Dark Knight," in which he plays a villain, the Joker. Christopher Nolan, the film's director, shared these memories:



One night, as I'm standing on LaSalle Street in Chicago, trying to line up a shot for "The Dark Knight," a production assistant skateboards into my line of sight. Silently, I curse the moment that Heath first skated onto our set in full character makeup. I'd fretted about the reaction of Batman fans to a skateboarding Joker, but the actual result was a proliferation of skateboards among the younger crew members. If you'd asked those kids why they had chosen to bring their boards to work, they would have answered honestly that they didn't know. That's real charisma—as invisible and natural as gravity. That's what Heath had.


Heath was bursting with creativity. It was in his every gesture. He once told me that he liked to wait between jobs until he was creatively hungry. Until he needed it again. He brought that attitude to our set every day. There aren't many actors who can make you feel ashamed of how often you complain about doing the best job in the world. Heath was one of them.


One time he and another actor were shooting a complex scene. We had two days to shoot it, and at the end of the first day, they'd really found something and Heath was worried that he might not have it if we stopped. He wanted to carry on and finish. It's tough to ask the crew to work late when we all know there's plenty of time to finish the next day. But everyone seemed to understand that Heath had something special and that we had to capture it before it disappeared. Months later, I learned that as Heath left the set that night, he quietly thanked each crew member for working late. Quietly. Not trying to make a point, just grateful for the chance to create that they'd given him.


Those nights on the streets of Chicago were filled with stunts. These can be boring times for an actor, but Heath was fascinated, eagerly accepting our invitation to ride in the camera car as we chased vehicles through movie traffic—not just for the thrill ride, but to be a part of it. Of everything. He'd brought his laptop along in the car, and we had a high-speed screening of two of his works-in-progress: short films he'd made that were exciting and haunting. Their exuberance made me feel jaded and leaden. I've never felt as old as I did watching Heath explore his talents. That night I made him an offer—knowing he wouldn't take me up on it—that he should feel free to come by the set when he had a night off so he could see what we were up to.


When you get into the edit suite after shooting a movie, you feel a responsibility to an actor who has trusted you, and Heath gave us everything. As we started my cut, I would wonder about each take we chose, each trim we made. I would visualize the screening where we'd have to show him the finished film—sitting three or four rows behind him, watching the movements of his head for clues to what he was thinking about what we'd done with all that he'd given us. Now that screening will never be real. I see him every day in my edit suite. I study his face, his voice. And I miss him terribly.

Back on LaSalle Street, I turn to my assistant director and I tell him to clear the skateboarding kid out of my line of sight when I realize—it's Heath, woolly hat pulled low over his eyes, here on his night off to take me up on my offer. I can't help but smile.
© 2008 Newsweek, Inc.

[ODogg]

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I'll probably view this upcoming movie different because of the events proceeding it. I think it's intriguing to see someone in their last role. I think it's very touching and yet very fascinating to see someone in their last role (much like the Crow movie). I think the American public feels the same way because most of us are fascinated and intrigued by death and our own legacy.

And speaking about this movie outside of this death issue, it seems like Heath Ledger has really nailed The Joker as someone who is truly insane and a worthwhile opponent of the Batman.

[USF11]

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After seeing "There will be Blood", someone needs to get Daniel Day Lewis to play a batman villian.

I couldnt think of any, however maybe someone else could come up with one.

[dossier]

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Maybe an image from the movie:

[Beantown]

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Scarecrow is in it towards the beginning, but I believe its a very small role. I personally think Two-Face for the third movie will be enough to end the trilogy - though I wouldn't mind seeing Selina Kyle.

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Selina Kyle or Edward Nigma in the third one.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Maybe an image from the movie:

Thats from the last 10 minutes of Begins.


And I would love to see The Riddler in the last film. Jim Carrey's Riddler was pathetic.

[Beantown]

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Without the Joker...if Nolan doesn't think Two-Face can carry the movie...I can see him putting in the Riddler over Catwoman, because introducing Selina would need a 4th movie to dive into their relationship.

[Tha_Kid]

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Post TDK, If they can't dedicate time to the Bat-Cat/Bruce-Selina dynamic it wouldn't be worth it to have her in it. I'm also having a hard time envisioning BW being able to get into a real serious relationship with his childhood sweethart in the DA's office still hanging around. Batman's women (outside of the one catwoman) historically don't stick around. That said, I want to see Catwoman on film again and she works best in a role similar to the Joker's in TDK, i.e. just popping in throughout the movie. No idea how they'd handle things storywise.

Have to say that I really wouldn't want them doing characters if they're not going to get things right. TDK seems to be a big leap in the right direction with TwoFace & Joker (storywise). I liked Begins (even bought the DVD) but Scarecrow & Bruce were the only main characters done really well. Batman kills, Ra's Al Ghul was himself in name only & Falcone seemed smalltime. I didn't need Lazurus pits or Ra's to deduce bat=bruce or even Talia but they really didn't even try. Up there with Bane as far as poor depictions of villains go. Batman doesn't directly kill him but not saving him = killing in Batman's mind - see Jean-Paul Valley in Knightfall and the way Bruce cited that as his greatest mistake (alongside jason todd). "I don't have to save you" is something Batman would never say, not to mention right at the beginning when his motivations and agenda as Batman are still fresh and clear. That said i love Batman Returns and he straps a bomb to a guy and kicks him down a shaft in that film so there you go.

Another thing i thought of last time i watched Begins was that Falcone & Maroni shouldve switched movies. Carmine was always above stuff like what he was doing in Begins, Maroni was the type to be sitting in a diner like that & Falcone would send Maroni to do something like make sure a shipment goes through without a hitch. Just funny that though they said he was "the" guy in Gotham, the portrayal made him seem like more of a bit player. The anarchy of gangs fighting to be the new "# 1" with the Joker as a wildcard does work better in the context of TDK though.

[OSUG1]

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I'll probably view this upcoming movie different because of the events proceeding it. I think it's intriguing to see someone in their last role. I think it's very touching and yet very fascinating to see someone in their last role (much like the Crow movie). I think the American public feels the same way because most of us are fascinated and intrigued by death and our own legacy.

And speaking about this movie outside of this death issue, it seems like Heath Ledger has really nailed The Joker as someone who is truly insane and a worthwhile opponent of the Batman.

TDK will be his last full movie but it won't be the last movie that he played a major character. The Imaginarium Of Doctor Parnassus will probably be considered his last role.

Despite earlier reports that the director might shelve the $30 million production, Gilliam, whom Plummer describes as "terribly saddened" by Ledger’s death is "trying to work out at this moment how to continue on. Fortunately, because the film deals with magic, there is a way, perhaps, of turning Heath into other people and then, using stills and I think they call it CGI…

"Terry was a very good friend [of Heath's]," adds Plummer. "He very wants to go on with the movie, and I can very much understand why. Because he wants to dedicate it to Heath, of course."

[ODogg]

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TDK will be his last full movie but it won't be the last movie that he played a major character. The Imaginarium Of Doctor Parnassus will probably be considered his last role.

That's a good point, probably though this will be the main role everyone remembers him by. I don't know though because I honestly don't know much about this other role.

[MachoMyers]

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Thats from the last 10 minutes of Begins.


And I would love to see The Riddler in the last film. Jim Carrey's Riddler was pathetic.

The Riddler...He's simply the comedic side of the Joker...Lame.

Selina Kyle could work because there is no way Rachel Dawes makes it through TDK alive.