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  • CaptainZombie
    Brains
    • Jul 2003
    • 37851

    #1

    Horror Franchises, Where Have They Gone Bad?

    After reading a few of the replies to the TCM thread for the new DVD releases, I sat down and thought hard as to when each popular horror franchise dipped into Oblivion Hell.

    Below are my thoughts, what does everyone think of when these franchises dipped to sequel hell?

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    Halloween
    Halloween 1 & 2 were great movies, then with H3-6 the series went for a rollercoaster ride. In H1 & 2 atmosphere and scares were used more than the slasher type of killing. We had the H3 concept which bombed, then with H4-6 the story went into rollercoaster hell + the completely made Michael a slasher. I think H20 and Resurrection helped bring this series a bit out of obscurity even though many laughed at Resurrection. But the hardcore fans like to look at Halloween 1, 2, H20, & Resurrection as part of one series and 4-6 as another. Even when H20 released, the movie ignores that 4-6 even existed.

    Friday the 13th
    Then the Friday the 13th series took a complete nose dive at Part 3 imo. Really got stupid and wasteless when Jason Takes Manhattan, now that was crap. When I thought that Jason Goes To Hell it was going to bring the series back from the depths of hell, it only buried the series further with the stupid storyline of Jason jumping from body to body. The last 2 minutes when Freddy's glove comes out and grabs Jason's mask to hell made up for all the crap that was Friday 9: Jason Goes To Hell. Jason X was a decent sequel and I think that this movie was better than some of the rest of the sequels that were dumped on our laps after Part 3. Again it kind of got stupid at some points when Jason did get a robotic arm and leg, but that is hollywood. The big payoff came with Freddy vs. Jason which I liked very much, even though many didn’t. FvJ went on to make more money than any single movie based off of either franchise.

    Texas Chainsaw Massacre
    With Texas Chainsaw Massacre, I think that the series started really getting bad with TCM2, when they really tried to make Leatherface a tool for the family. In TCM, he was such a bad@ss, but they kind of made him weak later and even a freak who dressed in drag. TCM: Next Generation the 4th movie in the series was a piece of crap, not even Renee Zellweger and Matthew McConaughey could save this movie.

    Hellraiser
    Another franchise that went down the tubes due to bad sequels is Hellraiser. I feel that with this one also like Friday the 13th, after Hellraiser III it all went downhill. It became sequel after sequel of not even basing the story so much around Pinhead and his minions the cenobites, but around a central conflict that the main character was having which caused 5 minutes of total screen time for Pinhead in a few of the sequels. Clive Barker’s creation went sour, with him losing rights to the Hellraiser world it may never allow him to ever bring this franchise back to promise. He had to create a new line a few years ago called Tortured Souls, to replace the loss of the Hellraiser Cenobites and it’s world.

    Nightmare on Elm Street
    I feel that Nightmare on Elm Street took the same route as some of the other franchises above. I would say after the second movie, it all started becoming the same concept over and over except things got more ridiculous with each passing sequel. Like the Halloween series, I feel like Nightmare 6 and the New Nightmare helped bring some respect back to a series that was dying. As I mention for Friday, FvJ did more good than bad for the Nightmare series and there has been talks of a sequel in the works with possibly a 3rd character being added. Rumor has it to be ASH from the Evil Dead series.

    Amityville Horror
    The Amityville Horror series started off as a creepy series that would turn mediocre within the first few sequels. Here is another franchise where the first movie was such a classic, which was based off of a true story at the time. As the years past by, we learned that the Amityville story could be a hoax made up by George Lutz and his lawyer to make millions from the book sales and movie rights. Lutz never made the money that he expected from this fiasco. The original Amityville and Amityville 2 were good movies with the first one telling the story of the Lutz’s and the sequel telling the story of the Defeo family that started all this mess. After 8 sequels, only the second was worthwhile and it spurned a remake of the original. I liked the remake, but there were a few things that I didn’t care about in that movie. If the series were to get a relaunch, I would be all for them doing a prequel with the backstory of the Defeo family.

    There has been a few franchises in the horror industry that I feel haven’t been affected by the sequelitis syndrome like these up above have.

    Which ones? Below you will find the franchises that imo have endured sequelitis syndrome.

    Evil Dead/Army of Darkness
    Phantasm
    SAW (Even though it's early, I like this series so far)
    Night/Dawn/Day/Land of the Living Dead
    Final Destination
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  • Victor99
    Living The Dream!
    • Mar 2005
    • 1230

    #2
    Re: Horror Franchises, Where Have They Gone Bad?

    Halloween 1 was one of the scariest movies I've ever seen and by far the best of the series IMO. The 1st Friday The 13th was great as well because it turned out in the end that the mother was the killer.
    How I wish, how I wish you were here. We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl year after year. Running over the same old ground. What have we found? The same old fears. Wish you were here.

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    • SPTO
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      • Feb 2003
      • 68046

      #3
      Re: Horror Franchises, Where Have They Gone Bad?

      I'm not the biggest horror fan but I always enjoyed the "Elm Street" movies. I think it plateaued with Part 4 and from then on it went to hell.

      Altho Freddy's Dead was fun for satirical reasons.
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      • goh
        Banned
        • Aug 2003
        • 20755

        #4
        Re: Horror Franchises, Where Have They Gone Bad?

        I'll tell ya where they've gone bad,the bad guys almost never win so they're all too predictable. This can be said for movies in general though.

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        • ExtremeGamer
          Extra Life 11/3/18
          • Jul 2002
          • 35299

          #5
          Re: Horror Franchises, Where Have They Gone Bad?

          Almost every horror film gets a sequel and they usually end up bad.

          Some of my thoughts, and this is going to be a blog entry for me tomorrow night after I saw the increasing number of horror posts lately. Best horror films in my opinion, so look for it..LOL

          Some of my thoughts.

          Nightmare on Elm St - Only the first one is worth viewing, the rest were craptacular.

          Friday the 13th - First 2 are classics, three is good, and X is a masterpiece (tounge and cheek). That being said, it's the one of the only horror franchices that I own every disc of, because the story always stayed the same and was always good for multiple viewings, especially around Halloween.

          Speaking of which, Halloween - 1 and 2 are complete classics. Great horror films in every sense of the word. 3 through however many they have now, are garbage. I've seen them all, and hate every one of them. Especially the H20 one and the last one with Busta Rhymes. Whoever made those should be shot. The Rob Zombie remake though, I'm extremely interseted in, and I'm one that says do not touch John Carpenter movies for remakes (i.e. The Fog)

          Texas Chainsaw Massacre - The original and remake are the only ones worth viewing. Pretend the others don't exist, don't worry, Tobe Hooper does too.

          Hellraiser - never a fan, just cliche horror. I like the first one, but the rest were crap.

          Candyman - First one was good, flawed, but good. Rest of them, garbage.

          Amytiville Horror - I personally thought they all sucked, and one of the very few times where the remake far exceeds the original.

          The Omen - the original and part 2 were very good, 3 and 4...LOL

          Saw - Both have been excellent

          Dead series - All, including the remakes, Zombi's, and off shoots have been spectacular. Night is still the best, but Dawn is a close 2nd for me. Fulci's off shoot of Zombi 2 is up there as well.

          Final Destination - Again, cat and mouse horror, loved all 3

          House and Rejects - Re-invents 70's style horror, both fantastic

          Scream - brought horror back, but in a bad way, every horror film had OC actors in it. 2 and 3, complete crap.

          I know what you did...- Both were fun, but 1 way outshines part 2

          Re-Animator - First one is great, rest...eh..so so

          Blood Trilogy - 2000 Maniacs is an A+ film, Blood Feast and Color Me Blood Red started gore in the US. Both are decent. The remake to 2000 Maniacs, 2001 Maniacs is a cult classic.

          Resident Evil - Zombies...that's about all they have going for them. If I forget the games existed, I enjoy them though.

          The Exorcist - Part 1, possibly the best horror film ever made. Parts 2 and 3, and the 2 prequels..possibly the worst horror films ever made

          Phantasm - They made sequels? No one ever even noticed...

          And best for last, Evil Dead - Best, bar none horror franchise ever.

          Some of the best "no sequel" horror in the genre...

          Suspiria - Argento's classic
          Dog Soldiers - Neil Marshall's debut
          Carnival of Souls - the 1963 version, not the wretched remake, one spooky film
          An American Werewolf in London - oh yeah, there was a sequel, let's imagine there wasn't
          Dead and Breakfast - Best American low budget horror in a long time, since Blair Witch at least
          House on Haunted Hill and The Haunting - Original's are classics, remakes are crap
          Dead Alive - Peter Jackson (yes, that Peter Jackson) version of a gory zombie filled land... to date, still the goriest film ever
          Hostel - So violent and real
          Cabin Fever - Soooooo good
          The Fog - again, original good, remake bad
          28 Days Later - Was the best zombie film out of Europe since Zombi
          Shaun of the Dead - now is the best horror film out of Europe
          The Thing - one of the best remakes ever
          Undead - best horror film out of Austrailia, don't even bother with Wolf Creek

          I could go on and on, I'll stop now...LOL

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          • CaptainZombie
            Brains
            • Jul 2003
            • 37851

            #6
            Re: Horror Franchises, Where Have They Gone Bad?

            Originally posted by ExtremeGamer
            Almost every horror film gets a sequel and they usually end up bad.

            Some of my thoughts, and this is going to be a blog entry for me tomorrow night after I saw the increasing number of horror posts lately. Best horror films in my opinion, so look for it..LOL

            Some of my thoughts.

            Nightmare on Elm St - Only the first one is worth viewing, the rest were craptacular.

            Friday the 13th - First 2 are classics, three is good, and X is a masterpiece (tounge and cheek). That being said, it's the one of the only horror franchices that I own every disc of, because the story always stayed the same and was always good for multiple viewings, especially around Halloween.

            Speaking of which, Halloween - 1 and 2 are complete classics. Great horror films in every sense of the word. 3 through however many they have now, are garbage. I've seen them all, and hate every one of them. Especially the H20 one and the last one with Busta Rhymes. Whoever made those should be shot. The Rob Zombie remake though, I'm extremely interseted in, and I'm one that says do not touch John Carpenter movies for remakes (i.e. The Fog)

            Texas Chainsaw Massacre - The original and remake are the only ones worth viewing. Pretend the others don't exist, don't worry, Tobe Hooper does too.

            Hellraiser - never a fan, just cliche horror. I like the first one, but the rest were crap.

            Candyman - First one was good, flawed, but good. Rest of them, garbage.

            Amytiville Horror - I personally thought they all sucked, and one of the very few times where the remake far exceeds the original.

            The Omen - the original and part 2 were very good, 3 and 4...LOL

            Saw - Both have been excellent

            Dead series - All, including the remakes, Zombi's, and off shoots have been spectacular. Night is still the best, but Dawn is a close 2nd for me. Fulci's off shoot of Zombi 2 is up there as well.

            Final Destination - Again, cat and mouse horror, loved all 3

            House and Rejects - Re-invents 70's style horror, both fantastic

            Scream - brought horror back, but in a bad way, every horror film had OC actors in it. 2 and 3, complete crap.

            I know what you did...- Both were fun, but 1 way outshines part 2

            Re-Animator - First one is great, rest...eh..so so

            Blood Trilogy - 2000 Maniacs is an A+ film, Blood Feast and Color Me Blood Red started gore in the US. Both are decent. The remake to 2000 Maniacs, 2001 Maniacs is a cult classic.

            Resident Evil - Zombies...that's about all they have going for them. If I forget the games existed, I enjoy them though.

            The Exorcist - Part 1, possibly the best horror film ever made. Parts 2 and 3, and the 2 prequels..possibly the worst horror films ever made

            Phantasm - They made sequels? No one ever even noticed...

            And best for last, Evil Dead - Best, bar none horror franchise ever.

            Some of the best "no sequel" horror in the genre...

            Suspiria - Argento's classic
            Dog Soldiers - Neil Marshall's debut
            Carnival of Souls - the 1963 version, not the wretched remake, one spooky film
            An American Werewolf in London - oh yeah, there was a sequel, let's imagine there wasn't
            Dead and Breakfast - Best American low budget horror in a long time, since Blair Witch at least
            House on Haunted Hill and The Haunting - Original's are classics, remakes are crap
            Dead Alive - Peter Jackson (yes, that Peter Jackson) version of a gory zombie filled land... to date, still the goriest film ever
            Hostel - So violent and real
            Cabin Fever - Soooooo good
            The Fog - again, original good, remake bad
            28 Days Later - Was the best zombie film out of Europe since Zombi
            Shaun of the Dead - now is the best horror film out of Europe
            The Thing - one of the best remakes ever
            Undead - best horror film out of Austrailia, don't even bother with Wolf Creek

            I could go on and on, I'll stop now...LOL
            You read my mind Scott, I'm coming back towards the end of the week with My Top 50 Horror movies of all-time.

            I agree with you on a good portion of your thoughts above.

            Cabin Fever is so underrated of a horror flick that it is sad. I really liked it and can't wait for the sequel that's been in talks for sometime.

            28 Days is another excellent zombie flick with style.

            I'll stop here and be back by the end of the week with my Top 50 list.
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            • ExtremeGamer
              Extra Life 11/3/18
              • Jul 2002
              • 35299

              #7
              Re: Horror Franchises, Where Have They Gone Bad?

              Originally posted by candyman56
              You read my mind Scott, I'm coming back towards the end of the week with My Top 50 Horror movies of all-time.

              I agree with you on a good portion of your thoughts above.

              Cabin Fever is so underrated of a horror flick that it is sad. I really liked it and can't wait for the sequel that's been in talks for sometime.

              28 Days is another excellent zombie flick with style.

              I'll stop here and be back by the end of the week with my Top 50 list.
              There's no sequel to Cabin Fever. Roth has a lot on his plate, Hostel 2, The Bad Seed remake, Cell, The Package, etc.

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              • CaptainZombie
                Brains
                • Jul 2003
                • 37851

                #8
                Re: Horror Franchises, Where Have They Gone Bad?

                Originally posted by ExtremeGamer
                There's no sequel to Cabin Fever. Roth has a lot on his plate, Hostel 2, The Bad Seed remake, Cell, The Package, etc.
                Like I mentioned before, it was a rumored sequel years ago. If it doesn't come out than it sucks.
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                • ExtremeGamer
                  Extra Life 11/3/18
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 35299

                  #9
                  Re: Horror Franchises, Where Have They Gone Bad?

                  Originally posted by candyman56
                  Like I mentioned before, it was a rumored sequel years ago. If it doesn't come out than it sucks.
                  Never heard of it, but Cabin Fever is only 4 years old. Sure you aren't thinking of something else?

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                  • CaptainZombie
                    Brains
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 37851

                    #10
                    Re: Horror Franchises, Where Have They Gone Bad?

                    Originally posted by ExtremeGamer
                    Never heard of it, but Cabin Fever is only 4 years old. Sure you aren't thinking of something else?
                    I remember reading about a sequel to Cabin about 2 or so years ago.

                    Look at how many movies haven't come out yet and they already talk about sequels.

                    I think that a sequel to Cabin would be awesome the way that the original ended.
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                    • xrams
                      MVP
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 1326

                      #11
                      Re: Horror Franchises, Where Have They Gone Bad?

                      Originally posted by candyman56
                      Evil Dead/Army of Darkness
                      Phantasm
                      Final Destination
                      Evil Dead scared the crap out of me when I first saw it.... then evil dead II was just funny.... Army of Darkness was a comedy....

                      Phantasm was real good back when I was young... good story.. movie you could watch over and over... 10/10

                      Final Destination is the best franchise so far IMO... the antagonest is Death... the elaborate way they think up to kill folks is good (in and of itself)... I just saw FD3... and the FX were seemless..!!!

                      all the other horror shows are just to much for my weak constitution...

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                      • MizzouBravesFan
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 2489

                        #12
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                        It's sad because so many great horror franchises have been ruined because of greed and money. You can't even really comment on the Big 3 because certain sequels of all of them have completey diminshed the orginals of each series. You could also throw in great movies like JAWS, The Exorcist, Poltergeist, Psycho, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, etc. that have been tarnished to an extent because of whack sequels. IMO there are only four franchises that have withstood sequels and come out ok and they are...

                        Romero's Living Dead series (far and away the best)
                        Evil Dead
                        Phantasm
                        The Omen

                        Sometimes franchises just are NOT needed...there are many movies that have come out today that justify that. On their own, movies like Scream, Saw, and Final Destination are GREAT horror movies but now you're getting whack sequels that like with the old franchises, tarnish the original (even though I liked Saw II and do think it has some potential, sadly the 3rd will probably end that). You can have a good, solid movie without having to add 50 sequels to it...I mean look at movies like 28 Days Later, Black Christmas, I Spit On Your Grave, Last House On The Left, Cujo, Near Dark, Frailty, Audition, Suspiria, Dead Alive, Haute Tension, etc. that are great on their own. Maybe it's just me but I'm sick of seeing half assed sequels bring down great movies and I'm tired of seeing braindead movie execs. who can't come up with anything else besides sequels and remakes.

                        And BTW, can I ask why some people consider 28 Days Later a zombie movie? I mean I know it appears that way but they aren't zombies, they're people infected with the virus Rage. They don't feed on humans and don't return from the dead, I'm just simply wondering why some people see it as a zombie movie because I hear that all of the time lol.
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                        • Husker_OS
                          Champs
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 21459

                          #13
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                          I loved the 1st Elm Street. Its the best horror movie I've ever seen. The 2nd one was horrible and kinda killed the rest for me.

                          Final Destination 1 and 2 were so good. The way the 2 were connected was superb. The deaths looked real and it wasn't cheesy nor predictable and it did make you jump and cringe.

                          Hostel I thought was done in poor taste. The soft core porno Sauna scene made it in the theatrical version somehow. The plot had so much potential, hopefully the 2nd one will be done right.

                          TCM was great to me. If you live(ed) anywhere near the countryside, this movie could scare the everloving daylights out of you with that house and that old mill. The old white house alone had me on edge.

                          I didn't like Halloween. So lets not go there.

                          Friday the 13th was good. The 1st is one of the best of all time.

                          Don't laugh, but the 1st Blair Witch's plot was good. The way they did it, sucked. But the idea behind it had potential to be great.

                          Saw didnt so much as scare me as it did horrify me. The thought of being in that bathroom like that is horrifying. Well done.

                          Has anyone ever seen Malevolence? That movie had a good plot. It took forever for it to get going but the storyline was very good.
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                          • Fresh Tendrils
                            Strike Hard and Fade Away
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 36131

                            #14
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                            The tagline for the TCM prequel should be "Don't Mess With Texas."

                            Anyway, there comes a point in every series, whether its a movie or television series where the writers just need to set down their pens. Unfortunately this doesn't happen as often as it should when it comes to horror movie series. I mean seriously, how many Chuckies, Leprechauns, Jasons, etc do we need? You can chart this one up in the unoriginal/guaranteed revenue column on the "Whats Wrong With Hollywood" survey.



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                            • MizzouBravesFan
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 2489

                              #15
                              Re: Horror Franchises, Where Have They Gone Bad?

                              The Blair Witch Project is another example of a good, innovative movie that had a crappy sequel attached to it...sad.
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