"When the Levees Broke" on HBO

[Dice]

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Look at recent post I'm getting this strange feeling that it's starting to sway towards the political side of this issue

[blackceasar]

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I thought it was very well done as well... could have done without the theories on the so called explosions (from both sides... just didn't see the need to include it one way or another) but otherwise, it was a wonderful documentary.

I didnt have a problem with the "theories" in there. Reality is that we dont know what really happened and probably never will know 100% for sure. IMO therioes are just a product of critical thinking. something that more people s should be doing, and its something that most governments would rather you not.

[Dame]

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I like the entire doc. Even though i hate spike, he gave a great perspective from people directly involved in the Hurricane not his narrative beliefs. I already felt bad about the situation but listening to some of the survivors I'm starting to get a better understanding of what they really went through. Its hard to believe this happened a year ago.

[Freelance]

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http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=local&id=4486412

[aholbert32]

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http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=4486412

What does this half to do with them being responsible for a 1/4th of the crime? This article is about apartment building owners being unhappy about the way their apartments were left once the evacuees moved out. Are you sure you sent the right link?

[Freelance]

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They're leaving with the fridge, the oven, every light fixture in the house, and holes literally cut out of the walls so they can get from one apartment to the other.

That, plus the crime problem.

[aholbert32]

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They're leaving with the fridge, the oven, every light fixture in the house, and holes literally cut out of the walls so they can get from one apartment to the other.

That, plus the crime problem.

The apartment thing doesnt really prove your point and im still waiting to see some evidence that Katrina evacuees were responsible for 25% of all crime in Houston in the last year.

[jmood88]

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The apartment thing doesnt really prove your point and im still waiting to see some evidence that Katrina evacuees were responsible for 25% of all crime in Houston in the last year.

It's erod, he doesn't need facts he just pulls things out of a hat and claims that they are facts. He is the voice of reason after all.

[Kanobi]

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I already felt bad about the situation but listening to some of the survivors I'm starting to get a better understanding of what they really went through.

I'm the opposite. I'm not even remotely close to getting an understanding of what they went through. Listening to the accounts and even seeing the bodies doesn't do the experience any justice IMO.

I couldn't possibly fathom the stench in the Dome or wading/swimming in that water while bodies (of people who were neighbors of mine) float past me. I couldn't imagine the heat and being trapped in those attics or stranded on those rooftops. I couldn't imagine searching through my old home only to discover the body of my mother trapped under the refridgerator or watching my mother die in her wheelchair and then having to leave her body behind in the heat. I couldn't imagine the overwhelming despair, rage, depression, grief that the victims felt.

It's so easy to watch it and then try spin things into some political debate and classify a people just so we can sound smart on a message board. But without knowing or experiencing what they experienced, we really are in very...very poor position to do so.

[Heelfan71]

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You guys actually need proof that crimes is up in Houston? Lord , take off the blinders. It's not just Houston either. Atlanta too. I'm starting to wonder if anyone decent even lived there.

http://www.bayoubuzz.com/articles.aspx?aid=5840

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/ande...ore-crime.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/05/AR2006020500884.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060815/ap_on_re_us/katrina_houston_crime

Evacuees have been victims or suspects in 20% of crimes.

[aholbert32]

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You guys actually need proof that crimes is up in Houston? Lord , take off the blinders. It's not just Houston either. Atlanta too. I'm starting to wonder if anyone decent even lived there.

http://www.bayoubuzz.com/articles.aspx?aid=5840

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/ande...ore-crime.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/05/AR2006020500884.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060815/ap_on_re_us/katrina_houston_crime

Evacuees have been victims or suspects in 20% of crimes.

Heel,

First, I dont have any blinders on. I stated earlier that I thought crime was up but nobody has shown me an article that shows that 25% increase. None of the 4 articles you posted show that either. The only one that provides any numbers is the same Washington Post article Fishepa posted that actually only shows a 10% increase in homicides and serious felonies

Also, how does being a victim of crime add to the crime rate?

[Heelfan71]

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Heel,

First, I dont have any blinders on. I stated earlier that I thought crime was up but nobody has shown me an article that shows that 25% increase. None of the 4 articles you posted show that either. The only one that provides any numbers is the same Washington Post article Fishepa posted that actually only shows a 10% increase in homicides and serious felonies

Also, how does being a victim of crime add to the crime rate?

I wasn't directing the blinder comment at you or anyone particular. Seems people don't want to believe there is a problem. I don't know what the % is. The Yahoo aritcle said 17% increase. The problem is a lot of the evacuees are criminals. N.O. must of had a wonderful judicial system. As far as the victim comment, the aritcle said it was gang related victims.

About 21 percent of Houston's 232 homicides through July 25 involved an evacuee as either a suspect or a victim, according to police, who attribute much of the bloodshed to fighting among rival New Orleans gang members.

[fsquid]

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You guys actually need proof that crimes is up in Houston? Lord , take off the blinders. It's not just Houston either. Atlanta too. I'm starting to wonder if anyone decent even lived there.

http://www.bayoubuzz.com/articles.aspx?aid=5840

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/ande...ore-crime.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/05/AR2006020500884.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060815/ap_on_re_us/katrina_houston_crime

Evacuees have been victims or suspects in 20% of crimes.

I don't think anyone decent lives in Atlanta either.

[fsquid]

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My only question is how can they rebuild, when they still haven't gotten most of the debris gone from the city? I just watched the part about the levees and wow that is an amazing system they have in Holland. I had no idea that 65% of Holland is under sea level.

[cbhock]

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I didnt have a problem with the "theories" in there. Reality is that we dont know what really happened and probably never will know 100% for sure. IMO therioes are just a product of critical thinking. something that more people s should be doing, and its something that most governments would rather you not.

I agree, we don't know what happened and theories are possible. So let us do some critical thinking. Behind actions there are usually motives. I look at the federal govt. and Pres. Bush, and try to locate motives. Won the state twice, check. Not running again, check. Send billions in aid if the city goes under, check. I think we can rule out the fed govt.

But, let's look at Mayor Nagin and the city govt. Town filled with rampant crime, check. Town has very high unemployment and low property values, check. Businesses don't come in to depressed areas, therefore less sales taxes, check. I see a hurricane five coming and don't call for an evacuation and let hundreds of buses sit not used, check.
Here I see motive, this theory seems much more reasonable. Therefore, I proclaim that Mayor Nagin and the city govt. of New Orleans blew up the levees. I mean, it is a theory and you can't disprove any of it.