Internet Gambling Bill passes through House/Senate

[dkgojackets]

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I'll elaborate on APD's comment then.

Over the long run, every single player will be dealt the same cards, and get the same flops, etc. If Phil Ivey and myself each sit at a table and play 500K hands, I think (hope) everyone can agree that the cards will end up even. Now why will he end up busting me?

Poker is all about making correct decisions. There are no decisions to be made in other casino games. There are mathematically correct plays to make, and mathematically wrong plays to make (Or should I say, when it comes to casinos, some decisions are less mathematically incorrect than others). Poker is not about guessing. It is about reading your opponent. It is not "What hand does he have", it is "Based on his play since we've sat down and so far on this hand, what are the various hands my opponent can have, what are the chances he has each, and is the pot therefore giving me odds to continue." That is skill. If you start out a 70/30 player, OVER THE LONG RUN you will win seventy percent of the hands. What happens on one hand or two hands or ten hands is irrelevant.

This is what seperates good players from the donkeys.

[Lintyfresh85]

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I'll elaborate on APD's comment then.

Over the long run, every single player will be dealt the same cards, and get the same flops, etc. If Phil Ivey and myself each sit at a table and play 500K hands, I think (hope) everyone can agree that the cards will end up even. Now why will he end up busting me?

Poker is all about making correct decisions. There are no decisions to be made in other casino games. There are mathematically correct plays to make, and mathematically wrong plays to make (Or should I say, when it comes to casinos, some decisions are less mathematically incorrect than others). Poker is not about guessing. It is about reading your opponent. It is not "What hand does he have", it is "Based on his play since we've sat down and so far on this hand, what are the various hands my opponent can have, what are the chances he has each, and is the pot therefore giving me odds to continue." That is skill. If you start out a 70/30 player, OVER THE LONG RUN you will win seventy percent of the hands. What happens on one hand or two hands or ten hands is irrelevant.

This is what seperates good players from the donkeys.

You're correct... I was just saying his "wrong" comment was worthless to the thread.

[APD0290]

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He made a statement, I told him that his statement is wrong. That's a fact, not opinion.

Back on topic, there should be to get around the ban, but many bad players won't want to do the workaround. This makes the games less profitable and much tougher to beat as a way of making money. For somebody who plays recreationally, it's really not a big deal.

As a previous poster said, NETeller technically has nothing to do with internet gambling. You're simply transferring money to an online merchant who then transfers it to a gambling site. I'm not sure how the U.S. government could stop this.

Also, I've heard some things that this may just be a temporary solution until the U.S. regulates and taxes online gambling. This would most likely be the best possible scenario and makes the most sense from the government's perspective.

[Jimplication]

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Not gonna happen. Besides, most online books use third parties like Neteller to withdraw and deposit money. So, they'd have to blackball those as well. Whatever they come up with, there will be a way around it.

True, but this will likely affect a fair share of online gamblers.

In my limited experience with online poker, the third party "banks" were still connected to an American (my) checking account, and thus, to remove that American account would involve people having to open accounts overseas and send money there; instead of just sending money through the overseas vendor, they would actually have to have an open account with them.

Granted, this may not affect all online gamblers, but it will likely affect the more casual ones, who don't already have accounts opened overseas.

[RubenDouglas]

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I'll elaborate on APD's comment then.

Over the long run, every single player will be dealt the same cards, and get the same flops, etc. If Phil Ivey and myself each sit at a table and play 500K hands, I think (hope) everyone can agree that the cards will end up even. Now why will he end up busting me?

Poker is all about making correct decisions. There are no decisions to be made in other casino games. There are mathematically correct plays to make, and mathematically wrong plays to make (Or should I say, when it comes to casinos, some decisions are less mathematically incorrect than others). Poker is not about guessing. It is about reading your opponent. It is not "What hand does he have", it is "Based on his play since we've sat down and so far on this hand, what are the various hands my opponent can have, what are the chances he has each, and is the pot therefore giving me odds to continue." That is skill. If you start out a 70/30 player, OVER THE LONG RUN you will win seventy percent of the hands. What happens on one hand or two hands or ten hands is irrelevant.

This is what seperates good players from the donkeys.

i dont buy that.. its all luck man. ive seen enough to feel that you could just close your eyes and guess better than to play a hand.

if you have a 3 and 2... and on the flop you get another 2 and 3, but theres alost a ten... how is it skill to determine if one should go or not? who the hell knows if another 10 and thenanother 10 will come up... ive seen that happen.

its as much skill as choosing when to quit at the slot machines and decisively move to where a guy just won 1000 bucks thinking that luck will come to me.

[APD0290]

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Ruben, think of it like this.

In the short term, poker is 80% luck, 20% skill. (I'm making these numbers up to some extent). With this in mind, in a 30 minute session, the player who got the luckiest will usually have made the most money.

In the long term, say 100 thousand hands (this number is on the high end), luck for everybody equals out. This is when the 20% skill comes in to play. Now, after 100k hands, the players who are the most skilled will have made the most money.

[dkgojackets]

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i dont buy that.. its all luck man. ive seen enough to feel that you could just close your eyes and guess better than to play a hand.

This may work for one hand. Maybe two. But poker isn't about what happens in one or two hands.

if you have a 3 and 2... and on the flop you get another 2 and 3, but theres alost a ten... how is it skill to determine if one should go or not? who the hell knows if another 10 and thenanother 10 will come up... ive seen that happen.

A good player knows what his opponent is likely to play in this situation. Did he raise pre-flop? Will he raise with AT? Does he play overpairs very aggressively? How does he play drawing hands? Is he likely to make a move with top pair? Say he pushes all in against my bottom two pair, but from experience I know that he will slowplay a set and is likely to have TPTK or an overpair. An overpair is drawing to 5 outs here, plus a running pair, so I know he has a 25% chance of outdrawing me. If I call and make this play over and over and over again, in the long run I will win. That is poker.

its as much skill as choosing when to quit at the slot machines and decisively move to where a guy just won 1000 bucks thinking that luck will come to me.

Now this is just wrong. In poker you aren't playing (and losing to) the house. You are playing other live, thinking, humans who make mistakes which you (as a good player) should capitalize on.

[Silverstring]

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Point taken. Then again, if I flipped a coin enough times, it could land on heads 20 consecutive times too.

If you have the patience and the disposable time to be able to play 500,000 hands to reach that mythical point where the luck supposedly "evens out", then more power to you. My only real point was that any less than 100% direct control of outcome is, if only partially, a guessing game with your money(even reading tells, noting trends, and influencing other decisions are guesses, just educated ones).

I think its ridiculous how easily unrelated riders can be patched onto larger/unrelated bills, by the way.

[dkgojackets]

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I think its ridiculous how easily unrelated riders can be patched onto larger/unrelated bills, by the way.

Agreed. This part of the legislative system is just stupid.

Of course, politicians will pick and choose the parts of these bills to highlight when campaigning should an opponent vote one down. There could be a bill with a main premise that you know one party won't support, so then you throw in an additional section about educational funding or something and BAM, all your opponents have voted against education.

[TJdaSportsGuy]

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Guys, I hate to be the bad guy, but you know the rules. No politics.