Saw III SPOILER discussion Warning

**IlliniM1ke** · 10-29-2006, 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by Blzer

Again, not sure if I've said it in this thread, but the Uncut edition is supposed to have about 45 extra minutes of footage. Hopefully it spreads out the beginning and the end more, so that the pacing isn't so damn off.

Yeah that should help out a lot, some parts definitely felt rushed, once the DVD gets here and we can watch it with all the extra footage it should help out the movie quite a bit.

**Pared** · 10-29-2006, 11:38 PM

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I think someone else mentioned it... but we never find out why he put that tape that said play me in wax next to his death bed... right?

That's an easy way to begin the next one... although whoever mentioned prequel was pretty much the best suggestion. Jigsaw's actor is signed for a 5 movie deal... so you know he's going to be in it one way or another.

**jmw1137** · 10-30-2006, 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by Blzer

The ending better ****ing not set up for another sequel, I'll tell you that much. I for one would be very pissed if they make a Saw IV. Keep it at a trilogy... trilogies are most certainly special in their own little way.

Sorry to burst everyone's bubble but there will definitely be a Saw IV...and probably a couple more after that. It states here that Lionsgate is planning on having part IV for Halloween again next year: http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/2...216028000.html

Hollywood remained on a box-office roll, with business up for the fifth straight weekend. The top 12 movies took in $89.1 million, up 2.4 percent from the same weekend last year, when "Saw II" opened at No. 1 with $31.7 million.

Since the low-budget "Saw" debuted with $18.3 million over the same weekend two years ago, Lionsgate has turned the franchise into an annual ritual with quickly produced sequels each Halloween.

The movies follow the diabolical schemes of psycho killer Jigsaw (Tobin Bell), who stages elaborate, bloody games to test the moral fiber of his victims. Lionsgate plans to have "Saw IV" in theaters over Halloween weekend next year.

"It's the biggest no-brainer of the century to put these movies out on Halloween weekend and wait for the money to roll in," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of box-office tracker Exhibitor Relations.

**Blzer** · 10-30-2006, 12:48 AM

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Yeah, I read that earlier today... but I mean come on. How in the hell are they going to continue this movie? Honestly, there is no good way to make a Saw IV... nor does it deserve to attach to this series in any way. Like, they start over, but with the same name.

Anyway, here are some ways:

- Jigsaw is his immortal self that they create him to be and is alive and kickin'.

- Jigsaw left many tapes and games following Jeff's beginning game to continue on with his vengeance by kidnapping those who he plans to seek revenge on and put them in Jigsaw's games.

- Jeff's daughter can play her own game to survive (how brutal).

- The police find his lair and listen to the tape that was covered in wax, pretty much giving clues to another game that's just in some other place (similar to that of Saw II).

- John's nephew hears the news of his father's death and plans to take on his remaining work (instead of Amanda).

- Dr. Gordon is actually the mastermind behind it all and chooses another pawn (instead of John). It's all discovered in the end.

Any way that they choose to do it would just absolutely kill the movie for you, I, and the rest of the fans. It would kill what we had grown to love with John being Jigsaw... even with Kerry being a part of every movie. I mean, just everything would turn to shreds should they continue with this. Just please... like I said before... please just come up with a story similar to that of a Saw IV, but rename the title, and change the character names. Even flashbacks can be similar to what has happened with the other Saw movies... just stop the Saw franchise at a trilogy, though!

Everyone's dead... EVERYONE!!! So if they want an ambulance to come in and save Jiggy, fine, be stupid. If they have John hop out of bed and dance a jig (no pun intended) because he faked everything about the brain tumor and got the best brain surgeon to crack open his perfectly fine skull and expose his perfectly fine brain just so he can be a part of the game, fine, be stupid. If they think that they can continue with Jeff as Jigsaw, fine, be stupid. All in all, they will spend $12 Million on Saw IV and it will make a profit, but instead of doing $34 Million its opening weekend, it will do about $15. Someone will come up to bat and challenge Saw IV next Halloween, and they will easily win.

Are you producing a horror movie to be released next year? Then release it Halloween weekend, you will take Saw IV and be the next superstar Horror sensation. Heck, maybe they can move up Indiana Jones IV and maybe they can take on Saw?

Signs are already there about the TRUE fans (such as myself) calling it quits. What do you think the regular people are going to do? Look at this year - yeah it did more than last year, but last year they were up against Zorro. This year they had NO competition and did only 1 million better.

I'm telling you, next year the competition will be HUGE! And Saw IV will barely make 40 million for the whole run. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean crap to Lionsgate - they'll still make their profit and continue on with sAW V and so on and so on until they have to spend more money than they make and will then call it quits... MARK MY WORDS!!

Gregg Hoffman is probably rolling over in his grave [sorry].

**NoSkillz50** · 10-30-2006, 02:03 AM

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Originally posted by deeman11747

Another big question is...how would Jigsaw have known that Jeff would emerge immediately as Amanda shot Lynn. If it had happened at any other tine... Jeff probably wouldntve shotten Amanda.. and she wouldnt've "failed" her game.

Also how did Jigsaw know that Jeff would kill Amanda with that one shot? How did he know that Amanda wouldn't kill Lynn when she shot her too? For the last part though I don't think Jigsaw cared too much if the cops got him at that point though. I think if Jeff didn't kill him and Lynn lived Jigsaw would be content with being caught by the cops since he was pretty much dead anyway.

**Blzer** · 10-30-2006, 02:15 AM

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Originally posted by NoSkillz50

Also how did Jigsaw know that Jeff would kill Amanda with that one shot? How did he know that Amanda wouldn't kill Lynn when she shot her too? For the last part though I don't think Jigsaw cared too much if the cops got him at that point though. I think if Jeff didn't kill him and Lynn lived Jigsaw would be content with being caught by the cops since he was pretty much dead anyway.

I guess just the same way that Jigsaw would know that Eric would freak out before the two hours were up... the same way that Michael would die to set up Eric's trap... the same way that Detectives Tapp and Sing would be the "test subject for something greater than" Jeff (in Saw), and Sing would be killed in the shotgun trap.

Just everything that he does goes to perfection, one way or another. In one way, you can consider it perfection because his traps worked. In another way, you can consider it complete imperfection because he wanted everybody to survive, where instead they all died.

**Chief Illinimac** · 10-30-2006, 07:42 AM

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I don't get why everyone is saying "they better NOT make Saw IV." It's not like these movies aren't fun for what they are - simply disturbing halloween movies. The 6 Nightmare on Elm Street sequels in no way "ruined" the first one, if anything, they only made it look better.

Personally, I know that there isn't going to be a logical way for any more sequels to be made in this franchise, but I think I would go see the fourth one even if it wasn't as smart as the first 3 because it would still probably be more entertaining than most of the PG-13 horror that comes out these days.

**X*Cell** · 10-30-2006, 09:09 AM

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Originally posted by DeeForThree

I don't get why everyone is saying "they better NOT make Saw IV." It's not like these movies aren't fun for what they are - simply disturbing halloween movies. The 6 Nightmare on Elm Street sequels in no way "ruined" the first one, if anything, they only made it look better.

Personally, I know that there isn't going to be a logical way for any more sequels to be made in this franchise, but I think I would go see the fourth one even if it wasn't as smart as the first 3 because it would still probably be more entertaining than most of the PG-13 horror that comes out these days.

That's kind of true. I mean, I'll probably see it to see if any of this mess is resolved (after I watch the 45 minutes uncut). Not many people went to go see this movie IMO. I might have went on the wrong day (Sunday Matinee) but Saw III was only being shown in 2 theaters (4 for Saw II), and the theater was only 1/5 full.

**Pared** · 10-30-2006, 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by Blzer

I'm telling you, next year the competition will be HUGE! And Saw IV will barely make 40 million for the whole run. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean crap to Lionsgate - they'll still make their profit and continue on with sAW V and so on and so on until they have to spend more money than they make and will then call it quits... MARK MY WORDS!!

They're going to turn this into the Scream Franchise.... every sequel from here on out will just be lame... even this one would have been lame if it were for the "traps" alone... I'm more interested in the "traps" within the game... and two of the 3 in this movie weren't that great....

**CMH** · 10-30-2006, 05:27 PM

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I don't think Amanda dying was Jigsaw's real plan.

Jigsaw never intended for anyone to die, so long as they survived their game. Amanda dies because Jeff fails at his game.

Jigsaw as a character grew. At first, we envisioned him as a guy that wanted people to face death in the eye and solve a puzzle in order to live so that they could appreciate their own life. What we learned is that Jigsaw wants people to appreciate the lives of others.

You can almost forget Part II in relation to I and III because Part II was really about Amanda's game. If you think about it in the context that Jigsaw brings out in Saw III you can probably understand that Amanda saw everyone's struggle in Saw II firsthand so she could learn to appreciate the life of others. Instead, she continued to fail. Jigsaw gives her one last chance in III and again she fails.

Jeff went through the game and also failed. He had the chance to forgive those that took away his son. The game was easy for him because it wasn't about his life being in danger. It was about his daughter's life being in danger. And I don't mean that she was in some random place with no oxygen danger. I mean in that he neglected his daughter because all he could think about was his son - that spells early mental issues for a child that already has to live with knowing her brother died at a young age.

He got through the "game" and thought he was done. But, then he kills Amanda because she shoots his wife (another sign that Jeff can't control his emotions - a problem that Amanda had and Jigsaw mentions), and attempts to kill Jigsaw (emphasis on attempts because Jigsaw obviously lives and I'd bet that IV is Jeff continuing the game to get his daughter. We never see Jigsaw die. We only know that Jeff is going to call the abulence to save Jigsaw so he can save his daughter) because his wife dies.

When I put this movie into perspective I think it's the best one of the three. I think the writers wanted us to understand that Jigsaw had a bigger scheme and plan. Part III changes everything about Saw and Saw II.

**X*Cell** · 10-30-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by YankeePride_YP

I don't think Amanda dying was Jigsaw's real plan.

Jigsaw never intended for anyone to die, so long as they survived their game. Amanda dies because Jeff fails at his game.

Jigsaw as a character grew. At first, we envisioned him as a guy that wanted people to face death in the eye and solve a puzzle in order to live so that they could appreciate their own life. What we learned is that Jigsaw wants people to appreciate the lives of others.

You can almost forget Part II in relation to I and III because Part II was really about Amanda's game. If you think about it in the context that Jigsaw brings out in Saw III you can probably understand that Amanda saw everyone's struggle in Saw II firsthand so she could learn to appreciate the life of others. Instead, she continued to fail. Jigsaw gives her one last chance in III and again she fails.

Jeff went through the game and also failed. He had the chance to forgive those that took away his son. The game was easy for him because it wasn't about his life being in danger. It was about his daughter's life being in danger. And I don't mean that she was in some random place with no oxygen danger. I mean in that he neglected his daughter because all he could think about was his son - that spells early mental issues for a child that already has to live with knowing her brother died at a young age.

He got through the "game" and thought he was done. But, then he kills Amanda because she shoots his wife (another sign that Jeff can't control his emotions - a problem that Amanda had and Jigsaw mentions), and attempts to kill Jigsaw (emphasis on attempts because Jigsaw obviously lives and I'd bet that IV is Jeff continuing the game to get his daughter. We never see Jigsaw die. We only know that Jeff is going to call the abulence to save Jigsaw so he can save his daughter) because his wife dies.

When I put this movie into perspective I think it's the best one of the three. I think the writers wanted us to understand that Jigsaw had a bigger scheme and plan. Part III changes everything about Saw and Saw II.

Good good call... this definetely clears up a lot for me. I never really thought about it that way. When you think about it now, the movie was actually pretty good. I'm going to probably have to see it again, although I'll wait for the DVD.

**Zer0xray** · 10-30-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by YankeePride_YP

I don't think Amanda dying was Jigsaw's real plan.

Jigsaw never intended for anyone to die, so long as they survived their game. Amanda dies because Jeff fails at his game.

Jigsaw as a character grew. At first, we envisioned him as a guy that wanted people to face death in the eye and solve a puzzle in order to live so that they could appreciate their own life. What we learned is that Jigsaw wants people to appreciate the lives of others.

You can almost forget Part II in relation to I and III because Part II was really about Amanda's game. If you think about it in the context that Jigsaw brings out in Saw III you can probably understand that Amanda saw everyone's struggle in Saw II firsthand so she could learn to appreciate the life of others. Instead, she continued to fail. Jigsaw gives her one last chance in III and again she fails.

Jeff went through the game and also failed. He had the chance to forgive those that took away his son. The game was easy for him because it wasn't about his life being in danger. It was about his daughter's life being in danger. And I don't mean that she was in some random place with no oxygen danger. I mean in that he neglected his daughter because all he could think about was his son - that spells early mental issues for a child that already has to live with knowing her brother died at a young age.

He got through the "game" and thought he was done. But, then he kills Amanda because she shoots his wife (another sign that Jeff can't control his emotions - a problem that Amanda had and Jigsaw mentions), and attempts to kill Jigsaw (emphasis on attempts because Jigsaw obviously lives and I'd bet that IV is Jeff continuing the game to get his daughter. We never see Jigsaw die. We only know that Jeff is going to call the abulence to save Jigsaw so he can save his daughter) because his wife dies.

When I put this movie into perspective I think it's the best one of the three. I think the writers wanted us to understand that Jigsaw had a bigger scheme and plan. Part III changes everything about Saw and Saw II.

what?? did we watch a different movie? cause jigsaw did die and caused jeffs wife to explode. uhhhh yea

**CMH** · 10-30-2006, 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by zeroxray0

what?? did we watch a different movie? cause jigsaw did die and caused jeffs wife to explode. uhhhh yea

I guess we did. The version I watched only had his neck get cut and then he closed his eyes.

Never saw a funeral or anything.

edit: Let me add that I'm only saying this because there is a Part IV in the works. And the movie does fall in the "horror/suspense" genre which always finds a way to surprise everyone.

I'm just not convinced that Jigsaw is actually dead. But, I understand that the movie portrayed him as dead.

**elicoleman** · 10-30-2006, 08:04 PM

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Yeah, it's assumed that Jigsaw did die, because Lynn was still alive and would stay alive until Jigsaw's heartbeat stoppped. When Jeff sawed his neck, Jigsaw's heartbeat then stopped, killing Lynn.

The only question we have is: Is Amanda really dead? It wasn't like she was shot in the head or directly in the heart, so we really don't know for sure.

**CMH** · 10-30-2006, 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by elicoleman

Yeah, it's assumed that Jigsaw did die, because Lynn was still alive and would stay alive until Jigsaw's heartbeat stoppped. When Jeff sawed his neck, Jigsaw's heartbeat then stopped, killing Lynn.

The only question we have is: Is Amanda really dead? It wasn't like she was shot in the head or directly in the heart, so we really don't know for sure.

Well, that's the thing.

People can be revived once their heart stops.

Lynn's exploding headpiece was only linked to Jigsaw's heart rate. Heart rates drop to zero and can jump back up again. Chances are unlikely, but it's possible.

But, I agree that it's more likely that Amanda is alive than Jigsaw, though I think that would ruin the franchise since Amanda is about real brute murder and Jigsaw not so much.

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