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Re: What do teachers really make?
This is all I need to know in my area that teachers are vastly overpaid. The average first year teacher in the county I live in makes more than a first year assistant district attorney. Now process this a different way, the teacher who only needs a Bachelors and needs to pass a test (which given the people I know who passed cannot be that hard) gets more than the person who needs a doctorate (3-4 years of additional education) and passed the bar exam (going on a limb, but I'd say it is much harder than the equivalent teaching exam). Lets not get into what happens if said first year teacher has a Masters vs. the Doctorate of an ADA.Comment
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Re: What do teachers really make?
This is all I need to know in my area that teachers are vastly overpaid. The average first year teacher in the county I live in makes more than a first year assistant district attorney. Now process this a different way, the teacher who only needs a Bachelors and needs to pass a test (which given the people I know who passed cannot be that hard) gets more than the person who needs a doctorate (3-4 years of additional education) and passed the bar exam (going on a limb, but I'd say it is much harder than the equivalent teaching exam). Lets not get into what happens if said first year teacher has a Masters vs. the Doctorate of an ADA.
Teachers may make more initially, but a lawyer has a much, much greater earning potential in the long run. Or they could just join a private firm and make more to begin with, so I have a hard time dwelling up any sympathy for their lack of pay. That said, I respect DA's who work more hours for less pay to provide a public service. And isn't a common pattern for a young lawyer to work a few years in a public office, then switch over to a private firm to make more money?Last edited by ESPNdeportes; 06-08-2007, 05:30 PM."You can not ensure success, but you can deserve it." - John Quincy Adams
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Re: What do teachers really make?
You're honestly going to complain about a DA's pay?
Teachers may make more initially, but a lawyer has a much, much greater earning potential in the long run. Or they could just join a private firm and make more to begin with, so I have a hard time dwelling up any sympathy for their lack of pay. That said, I respect DA's who work more hours for less pay to provide a public service. And isn't a common pattern for a young lawyer to work a few years in a public office, then switch over to a private firm to make more money?Streaming PC & PS5 games, join me most nights after 6:00pm ET on TwitchTV https://www.twitch.tv/shaunh20
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Re: What do teachers really make?
You're honestly going to complain about a DA's pay?
Teachers may make more initially, but a lawyer has a much, much greater earning potential in the long run. Or they could just join a private firm and make more to begin with, so I have a hard time dwelling up any sympathy for their lack of pay. That said, I respect DA's who work more hours for less pay to provide a public service. And isn't a common pattern for a young lawyer to work a few years in a public office, then switch over to a private firm to make more money?Comment
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Re: What do teachers really make?
Well I could counter and say teachers could go find jobs at private schools that pay more. However you cut it, it is beyond ridiculous to pay a public employee with a Bachelors more than one with a Doctorate, especially at the entry level. Besides, it isn't like ADA's only work 9 months for that lesser pay.Comment
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Re: What do teachers really make?
I should have phrased my words more carefully. Would it be fair to presume you mean smaller, probably religiously affiliated private schools? The private schools I meant were those like Northfield Mount Hermon in Northfield, MA or any of the private prep schools in Connecticut.Comment
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Re: What do teachers really make?
I should have phrased my words more carefully. Would it be fair to presume you mean smaller, probably religiously affiliated private schools? The private schools I meant were those like Northfield Mount Hermon in Northfield, MA or any of the private prep schools in Connecticut.Comment
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Re: What do teachers really make?
Well I could counter and say teachers could go find jobs at private schools that pay more. However you cut it, it is beyond ridiculous to pay a public employee with a Bachelors more than one with a Doctorate, especially at the entry level. Besides, it isn't like ADA's only work 9 months for that lesser pay.
If you think its ridiculous for lawyers, how do you think it is for doctors? Its a 4-year MD degree, you have to pass 4 different boarding exams, then you work insane hours during residency (a minimum of 3 years) with 30 hour shifts (sometimes 36 hours) every 4th night and you make 40-45 thousand working at a public hospital, with an average debt of over $100,000 some people as high as $250,000 in debt from school.
While I agree in principal that an ADA should make more than a teacher based on schooling, I just can't feel sorry for them because they know going in what the pay would be like- its their choice to accept the job."You can not ensure success, but you can deserve it." - John Quincy Adams
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Re: What do teachers really make?
Speaking of public service, although I agree teachers should be paid more, the real people who need to be paid more are police and firemen. They are risking their life for about the same money as teachers. Big difference in working long hours and putting up with a lot of crap and risking your life."You can not ensure success, but you can deserve it." - John Quincy Adams
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Re: What do teachers really make?
Doesn't everyone in every thing earn less in Ohio? J/k (i'm from Ohio btw so I think i have the right to note this LOL). Anyways, yeah they may have a lower base salary but the difference is that teachers who are better can get appropriate pay as the pay structure is different. Public schools are pretty well set in what they can pay, regardless of how good (or bad) a teach is, largely because of the unionization.Streaming PC & PS5 games, join me most nights after 6:00pm ET on TwitchTV https://www.twitch.tv/shaunh20
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Re: What do teachers really make?
Well, at least in Iowa, the private school teacher's base pay is much lower (I don't know the exact figures, but I'm thinking it's about $10-15,000) and on top of that, the private school teachers don't get access to IPERS, the pension fund for public teachers. It's a excellent pension and is probably one of the biggest financial draws to becoming a teacher in Iowa, but like I said, the private ones don't get that.Comment
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Re: What do teachers really make?
Yeah, but lawyers still have a greater earning potential.
If you think its ridiculous for lawyers, how do you think it is for doctors? Its a 4-year MD degree, you have to pass 4 different boarding exams, then you work insane hours during residency (a minimum of 3 years) with 30 hour shifts (sometimes 36 hours) every 4th night and you make 40-45 thousand working at a public hospital, with an average debt of over $100,000 some people as high as $250,000 in debt from school.
While I agree in principal that an ADA should make more than a teacher based on schooling, I just can't feel sorry for them because they know going in what the pay would be like- its their choice to accept the job.Comment
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Re: What do teachers really make?
Well, at least in Iowa, the private school teacher's base pay is much lower (I don't know the exact figures, but I'm thinking it's about $10-15,000) and on top of that, the private school teachers don't get access to IPERS, the pension fund for public teachers. It's a excellent pension and is probably one of the biggest financial draws to becoming a teacher in Iowa, but like I said, the private ones don't get that.Last edited by ODogg; 06-09-2007, 03:26 PM.Streaming PC & PS5 games, join me most nights after 6:00pm ET on TwitchTV https://www.twitch.tv/shaunh20
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Re: What do teachers really make?
Basically my point is that a private school's income is generally static, so there is very little room for an increase in teacher salary.Comment
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