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  • CaptainZombie
    Brains
    • Jul 2003
    • 37851

    #121
    Re: Saw 4

    Originally posted by Blzer
    The movie made plenty of sense, not too many plot holes. This is the only place where I actually enjoyed the writing. There are, however, still some big shoes to fill and I see where there are still some things unanswered for Saw V and Saw VI, but I hope to God they don't make a next one. I don't think LGF is grateful enough to Whannell's baby, and they're definitely taking it for granted. Saw III only had things missing so they could actually lead people to see Saw IV. As far as I can tell, 2.5 out of the 4 things were answered. Other than those four things (what happened to Eric, what happened to Jeff and his daughter, why John put wax on the tape, and what Amanda's letter contained), this book could have been closed on the franchise. IMO they wasted characters in this movie as well. Oh, and don't waste your money on the Director's Cut. It has an alternate ending and a "dream sequence" that you can very easily watch on YouTube.

    BTW, I might see Saw V, but that's not the biggest problem. I won't see this movie again unless I want complete clarification on what I saw. I definitely won't buy it to see it, though.




    Now let me talk about director Darren Lynn Bousman a little bit. First of all, he has a big ego and likes to show off his talents when talking in commentaries (to him, they're talents at least). Because of this, I know what to look for and what to expect. Rapid single-frame flashes and multiple audio cuts during traps make it feel like a music video and give near zero suspense. Watch Larry cut his leg in Saw, and tell me if that feels gruesome when watching it in Darren-O-Vision. To be honest, I probably wouldn't even know what he is doing half of the time. He considers it a "staple" in the franchise all because James Wan did it once in the first Saw with Amanda's trap, and I hated it then, too.

    Darren admits that he loves S.W.A.T. What happened to the suspense of this movie with just a couple of obsessed players trying to track this guy down? Everything is blown way out of proportion now, and it takes away any suspense. And apparently he loves dumb S.W.A.T., too. Always one step behind, and sometimes one step ahead of their thoughts (think of what S.W.A.T. stands for... the "T" isn't used enough, especially by Rigg). If you're going to use them, don't overuse them... this isn't S.W.A.T. 2 (however, again, I can see where there is room to have re-written this into that, though the series would begin going a different genre).

    Darren is obsessed with his transition scenes. I recall in Saw II seeing Eric Mathews entering the house and then the camera did a quick pan to the right and we saw Xavier going down the stairs, I was like "Hey, that was cool." Two scenes, one shot. I thought it was actually quite genious. Then I began seeing it three times in the first fifteen minutes of Saw III, and I'm like, "Okay, it's really not needed anymore." Well, these transitions this time are so ridiculously stupid, that for a second you actually think you're in the same scene even though you know that you shouldn't be. They don't feel right at all, and the needs to find a different way to weave in and out of scenes.

    Once again, this isn't a music video. So why are we constantly hearing random opera ladies sing through 50 minutes of this movie, and the remaining 40 minutes are underground mixes and cut-throat sound-effects? Basically, remember Addison's scene in Saw II with the razor box? Every scene had directing almost exactly like that one. I remember in the Saw III commentary he notes in Kerry's kidnapping scene how he's bringing back an element in the original Saw how there's no music playing during the time that she's walking to her closet, and how it makes it a lot more intense.



    Umm, Darren... little hint there, bud?



    Instead, the instant you start hearing instruments blaring again before the pig captures her, all of the sudden there's no shock factor.

    Oh, and speaking of sound-effects... every time there's a quick camera cut, there's either a slice sound, a lot of camera flash sounds, or something else bizarre. Every time there's a pan, there's a whoosh sound. And for the love of God, Darren... when T.V.'s turn on, they don't make extremely stupid static noises and then BOOM to give Billie a ruder entrance. Ahh... Billie, our beloved doll, of course. This thing looked idiotic in this movie. I know that for some reason they like to make him look different in every movie, but I actually had to hold in a laugh at how stupid he looked in this one. I can't tell you how scared I was the first time I saw Billie on screen in Saw; he was just so freaky. He still would be if they showed that version of him. Even the sound of his voice, since Saw II (the time that Darren signed on... coincidence?), has just been stupid. I would think that many agree, but perhaps it's just me.

    Oh and one last thing about the music. Charlie Clouser is a mastermind, and his "Hello Zepp" score is amazing. It's so good, I enjoy that we can expect it at the end of each movie. But wait, there's more when Darren is around! Yes... four minutes into this movie, we actually hear it! Why? I have no ****ing idea. There's something called and luster, and the song loses its luster when played more than once. It especially annoyed me in Saw II when they used it while Xavier was cutting his neck, and then they decided to use it five minutes after for the main plot twist. Then they use it three times in Saw III. Why? I almost don't care for the reason, anymore.


    I said this movie was 90 minutes in length, but had two hours of material. Commentary in this movie was like BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM! There was no time to breathe, no time to think, no time to comprehend. It seriously felt like Darren said: "Okay, guys... we only have enough film for 60 minutes. We'll do our first take only, and make sure you guys know your lines! The other 30 minutes, I'll find ways to very randomly put in stupid special effects that repeat the same shot over and over with different camera angles, camera flashes and voice echoing. We'll do some one-cut scene transitions, as well." They could have drawn it out some, and I would understand how people could feel more relieved that they entirely understood each scene (even though I did anyway) and that they had time to just... well, to relieve, like I said. Movies need breaks. Darren did it pretty well with Saw III, but it was just terrible here.

    Oh, and these twist(s) aren't impossible to figure out, even though I figured out one, and one has (in another way, though) been done before, so I thought it was so obvious to not to again that I canceled it out. I especially love how Darren left a MySpace bulletin once and said (and I quote): "If you figure out this ending, you're my personal ****ing hero!" Begin making your ribbons, DLB. I obviously wasn't the only person to figure this one out, I can guarantee it. Darren overhyped this movie more than I ever recall a movie being hyped by its director. Not only that, but he lied to get people to see it. He said this was going to be the most explosive ending ever? Perhaps if a bomb went off before the credits rolled, I would understand what he meant... otherwise, it was just plain not "out of your seat" shocking even like three was in comparison. Plus, he said things would be answered that never were. What a load of crock. I'm sure he just has a different mind, and that's cool... but in all honesty, it's not right for this franchise.


    Bye.
    WOW! Blzer, it sounds like you are very disappointed with this movie and that is a shame if it turned out as bad as you say it did. I removed your spoilers so this way nobody has to see them twice, and I closed my eyes while removing them. LOL! I my wife and I go see it soon since we don't have anyone to watch the kids this weekend. I'm sitting here in suspense as to how IV unfolds as this is not sounding too good from your impressions. Is it that maybe their taking this franchise in a new direction now which is why its made you feel this way towards it or is it just overall bad?
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    • Pared
      Legen - WAIT FOR IT
      • Feb 2003
      • 39337

      #122
      Re: Saw 4

      Originally posted by candymanGT
      I removed your spoilers so this way nobody has to see them twice, and I closed my eyes while removing them.
      lol
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      • CaptainZombie
        Brains
        • Jul 2003
        • 37851

        #123
        Re: Saw 4

        Originally posted by Pared
        lol
        Pared, you like that one?

        Blzer, a question, do we get closure on Jeff and his daughter?
        Last edited by CaptainZombie; 10-26-2007, 03:42 PM.
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        • Pared
          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
          • Feb 2003
          • 39337

          #124
          Re: Saw 4

          It was even funnier after reading FF's post in the non-sports forum.
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          • CaptainZombie
            Brains
            • Jul 2003
            • 37851

            #125
            Re: Saw 4

            Originally posted by Pared
            It was even funnier after reading FF's post in the non-sports forum.
            What did he say?
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            • Blzer
              Resident film pundit
              • Mar 2004
              • 42517

              #126
              Re: Saw 4

              Originally posted by candymanGT
              Pared, you like that one?

              Blzer, a question, do we get closure on Jeff and his daughter?
              This is where the 0.5 comes from.
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              • Blzer
                Resident film pundit
                • Mar 2004
                • 42517

                #127
                Re: Saw 4

                Originally posted by candymanGT
                WOW! Blzer, it sounds like you are very disappointed with this movie and that is a shame if it turned out as bad as you say it did. I removed your spoilers so this way nobody has to see them twice, and I closed my eyes while removing them. LOL! I my wife and I go see it soon since we don't have anyone to watch the kids this weekend. I'm sitting here in suspense as to how IV unfolds as this is not sounding too good from your impressions. Is it that maybe their taking this franchise in a new direction now which is why its made you feel this way towards it or is it just overall bad?
                To be honest, I could live with finding out what happens with the rest of the story. No, the ending wasn't the bad part of the movie... it was just disappointing that I sort of figured out a lot of it. Oh lol and they aren't spoilers that I posted per se, but more on possible ways for you to find out how to catch the twists. Basically, just listen to and watch the movie carefully... much like the other three.

                I think I summed it up pretty well in my first post, but it's really just that the movie was a poor attempt at making a Saw movie. When I was watching it, I was wondering if we were watching Saw IV, or Final Destination 4, or S.W.A.T. 2, or Darren's School of Camera Magic, or Gone in 90 Minutes, or what. Like I said before, this script could have been reworked from a Saw IV to another kind of movie, which is what I think LGF should have done to leave the trilogy alone. If they made that kind of movie, I probably would have thought it was pretty good (again, a B-movie). Instead they're using this name to cash in as much as possible IMO.

                Again, the biggest problem isn't in the direction of the franchise. Actually, the direction probably isn't that bad, really. I just don't think that, after DLB touted this movie so much for it to just be so bad for a Saw movie (basically what I mean is, aside from character names and faces, this is really nothing like the first Saw AT ALL), IMO, the problem began with them deciding to break the three movies and making three more.


                They opened up more for the franchise in this one, and I'm just afraid that they won't execute. I'm also afraid that they'll be just as poor with making the sequels close to Saw as they did with this one. Hopefully David Hackl (the supposed new director) doesn't follow too much in Darren's footsteps. If anything, Darren's directing and hype were the two most disappointing aspects of this project known as Saw IV.



                As Saw IV, this movie will not be worth a DVD purchase for me. I just thought it wasn't that good. Perhaps V and VI can save it with the potential route they go, but some things that they did in this one made me very mad.
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                • The 24th Letter
                  ERA
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 39373

                  #128
                  Re: Saw 4

                  i dont like movies where the "good guy" NEVER wins

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                  • Blzer
                    Resident film pundit
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 42517

                    #129
                    Re: Saw 4

                    I take it back... I thought about some things, and this movie has some major plot holes, as well as motive flaws.
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                    • cjonesfan921
                      UGH, next year
                      • Jan 2005
                      • 20081

                      #130
                      Re: Saw 4

                      Change of plans, have some work to get done, tried to get my friends to postpone it till tomorrow night, no go. They are going in a bit. Hopefully the movie sucks and I saved money.

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                      • CaptainZombie
                        Brains
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 37851

                        #131
                        Re: Saw 4

                        Saw IV IGN Review = 3/5
                        It's the end and the beginning of Jigsaw.


                        October 26, 2007 - Even though they killed him off in Saw III, the latest installment in Lionsgate's hit horror franchise -- directed by Darren Lynn Bousman from a screenplay by Patrick Melton & Marcus Dunstan -- offers fans the chance to see what turned engineer John Kramer (Tobin Bell) into the maniacal Jigsaw. While it's not a franchise reboot-origin story a la Casino Royale, Saw IV delves deeper into the character and motivations of its central protagonist far more than the previous entries did.

                        Besides Jigsaw, Saw IV focuses most on SWAT Commander Rigg (Lyriq Bent), who is haunted by the loss of his colleagues -- especially Detective Kerry (Dina Meyer) -- at the hands of Jigsaw. Rigg is abducted by Jigsaw's mysterious new helper and finds himself engaged in a game engineered by Jigsaw from beyond the grave. Since Rigg is obsessed with saving people, Jigsaw has set a series of interconnected traps that force Rigg to question his obsession and ask whether people must save themselves.

                        Rigg has 90 minutes (hey, that just so happens to be a good chunk of the film's running time!) to follow Jigsaw's clues and rescue his latest victims from their grisly traps. The catch is that these particular victims are unrepentant criminals. Can Rigg save them all in time? Should he even bother to? (There's another motivation for Rigg to complete his task before the 90 minutes expires but we're leaving that out for the sake of spoilers.)

                        While Rigg plays Jigsaw's game, FBI agents Strahm (Scott Patterson) and Perez (Athena Karkanis) help Rigg's boss Hoffman (Costas Mandylor) figure out what the puppet master's last game is about. Their investigation leads them to Jigsaw's ex-wife Jill (Betsy Russell), whom they suspect is involved in this new game. It's through Jill's retelling of her past that we come to learn what made John Kramer become Jigsaw.

                        Saw IV is even more character-driven than Saw III, which often seemed like an exercise in gore just for the sake of it. This is the most human that we've seen Jigsaw, from the opening scene on. Saw IV firmly establishes the fate of that character, and it will be interesting to see how the franchise can continue from here. Tobin Bell seems liberated from the series' trappings (no pun intended), playing John Kramer as an ordinary man with extraordinary skills who, due to tragic events in his life, finally snaps. Jigsaw ends up being the most sympathetic character in the movie, which is no small accomplishment when you consider that he's also the source of all the film's violence.

                        It's amazing how the filmmakers are able to keep coming up with fresh ideas for new traps, but here the traps serve as metaphors for their victims rather than just being cool and scary to behold. However, it becomes clear that regardless of how one plays the game Jigsaw (or his helper) has rigged it in his favor. This cheapens whatever moral Jigsaw is trying to teach his pawns if the deck is stacked against them.

                        A colleague pointed out that so much of Saw IV relies on characters making completely arbitrary decisions. If someone opted to go left instead of right then Jigsaw's entire plan could have fallen apart. It's inconceivable to think that even a puppet master as ingenious as Jigsaw could have foreseen and prepared for every possible decision that his subjects would make. (Why Rigg never calls for back-up remains a mystery.) The film ventures into Shyamalan territory by the end, a climax that we can't say too much about for the sake of spoilers suffice to say that it highlights the arbitrary nature of the story's construction. It's an ending that will frustrate as many viewers as it impresses.

                        Despite these shortcomings, Saw IV is a gripping, breathlessly paced thriller that will keep you engaged throughout. You may leave the cinema arguing about what it all meant and how things played out, but you'll also leave with a better understanding of Jigsaw as a character. How often has a horror sequel actually bothered to explore what makes its iconic boogeyman tick? For that reason alone Saw IV is worth a look.


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                        I'm not a fan of IGN, but some of the stuff that this dude talks about sounds interesting. It appears the movie is more character driven than the traps this time around. Blzer, did you have the same feeling? Was this something that turned you off from the film? I can't wait to see this as now I'm even more interested in this frustrating ending.
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                        • elicoleman
                          Im The Baby/Gotta Love Me
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 34655

                          #132
                          Re: Saw 4

                          It was definitely character driven, and plot driven. Tying up loose ends was big IMO.

                          The traps were cool, but that wasn't the basis of this movie.
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                          • CaptainZombie
                            Brains
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 37851

                            #133
                            Re: Saw 4

                            Originally posted by elicoleman
                            It was definitely character driven, and plot driven. Tying up loose ends was big IMO.

                            The traps were cool, but that wasn't the basis of this movie.
                            Cool, that works for me. I like a good story that ties up loose ends.
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                            • CaptainZombie
                              Brains
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 37851

                              #134
                              Re: Saw 4

                              Bloody-Disgusting.com Review = 3.5/5

                              What’s also impressive is how far Darren Bousman has come as a director doing three SAW films. SAW IV is easily the most competent, stylish and “clean” film of his directing career. The transitions are astounding (maybe even overdone at times) and the film has a lot more depth than just quick-cuts flashing imagery in front of us. Editor Kevin Greutert – who worked on all four films – has also developed his skills showing us that a SAW film can be more than flash-cutting and intense pacing… this is the first of the franchise to take some time, and really build on the character’s situation (Rigg’s counting down clock).

                              The story, written by Marcus Dunstan and Patrick Melton with some help by Thomas Fenton, is also unique to the fact that a lot of characters return but aren’t forced into the story. It’s not overdone and not even ridiculous, like SAW III was at times. But the story couldn’t have come to life without the fantastic leads Lyriq Bent and Betsy Russell (Jigsaw’s ex-wife). Both actors played a tremendous role in bringing this story to life and making it believable.

                              But as great as the movie can be at times there are some flaws, such as understanding the twist. The ending is so crazy that it is written as if you have seen all three prior SAW films and have just seen SAW III. It’s pretty confusing, so confusing that I had to have it explained to me. As good as Lyriq and Betsy were, some of the other actors didn’t quite hit the spot as I thought at moments it was overacted. Lastly, by being so well shot and smoothly edited I thought some of the intensity of the film was removed and you didn’t quite feel the stress of the 90-minute countdown.

                              SAW IV will please any fan of the franchise and will fit nice and snug in your new trilogy box set. It has everything you’d ever want from a SAW film and really bring it full circle. The only thing that might displease some of you is the open-ended finale, which is about as blunt as closing the door on Adam’s face in the first SAW. But that’s was you expect right? As Jigsaw so calmly states, “this is only the beginning…”


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                              Many critics seem to like this new direction of SAW, but so far Blzer you don't. Do you think it could be that your burned out from the franchise?
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                              • nickb
                                MVP
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 977

                                #135
                                Re: Saw 4

                                I didnt like it all that much, id give it a C...Id really like a spoiler thread on this movie also, because there are some things in the plot that are very unclear to me...
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