Immortalized by death

[trobinson97]

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soon, both Biggie and Pac will be rememberd just like every rapper who deserves to be remembered in the past. Nothing ground-breaking like Marilyn Monroe or Elvis...

Not gonna argue it, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Totally, 100% disagree though.

[jmood88]

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I think Jay-Z is a strong choice because he is widely touted as the best rapper ever (who knows why?) but I can't see that with Eminem or Nas... it's the same as Biggie and Pac...

it was huge... everyone thought they would be huge icons forever... but although both are still thought about when hip-hop is brought up, it's not as big of a thing that it was a few years ago...

soon, both Biggie and Pac will be rememberd just like every rapper who deserves to be remembered in the past. Nothing ground-breaking like Marilyn Monroe or Elvis...

Madonna or Michael Jackson would have been easy choices but since they are in their late 40's, their death wouldn't be as groundbreaking either.

Jay-Z already has his ****riders and he's been around for forever so I don't think his reputation will rise or fall if he died early.

[dodgerblue]

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Princess Diana is a pretty big candidate for your list.

[Quick6]

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No rapper today would be remembered like Tupac or Biggie, and even those two aren't on the level of JFK, Elvis ect ect. It's hard to say because they'd have to be well liked by a majority of the country and still have their best years ahead of them. I don't see anyone under those circumstances really popping to mind so I say noone. Even at the time of Cobain's death/murder you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that didn't know a Nirvana song, and he's not on the level of JFK and the others, part of what makes his story so compelling is that there is strong evidence in both directions for murder/suicide.

[ehh]

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I honestly don't think anyone today would be placed on the level of those mentioned in the original post. Too much has changed in the media over the last 30 years.

And as for the person who said no rapper will be remembered 20 years from now, it's already been 20 years and guys like Run-DMC, Rakim, Melle Mel, etc are remembered quite fondly. I guess you're saying rap as a whole will die off in 20 years?? I dunno.

[jmood88]

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I honestly don't think anyone today would be placed on the level of those mentioned in the original post. Too much has changed in the media over the last 30 years.

And as for the person who said no rapper will be remembered 20 years from now, it's already been 20 years and guys like Run-DMC, Rakim, Melle Mel, etc are remembered quite fondly. I guess you're saying rap as a whole will die off in 20 years?? I dunno.

I don't know about him but I honestly can't think of any rapper today who anyone would remember like Tupac and Biggie.

[Shaver]

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I think this whole thread is off-base. You're using examples in the original post of people who (in most cases) achieved a lot prior to dieing young(er). I've always had a HUGE issue with this argument of their death somehow significantly changing their legend.

Elvis could have died of old age in the 1999 and would be viewed the exact same way. His, somewhat, early death doesn't change the fact that he was THE star of music, movies...****... entertainment in his time.

Marilyn... accomplished a ton....

Jimmy Hendrix (who is often used in this category).... amazing catalog prior to death...

John F. Kennedy... the history on JFK doesn't start and end during his two years in office...

I think this whole "Immortilized By Death" category should be reserved by folks like James Dean, Kurt Cobain and others who died before their careers hit their peak.

Just my 2 cents

[mgoblue]

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I think this whole thread is off-base. You're using examples in the original post of people who (in most cases) achieved a lot prior to dieing young(er). I've always had a HUGE issue with this argument of their death somehow significantly changing their legend.

Elvis could have died of old age in the 1999 and would be viewed the exact same way. His, somewhat, early death doesn't change the fact that he was THE star of music, movies...****... entertainment in his time.

Marilyn... accomplished a ton....

Jimmy Hendrix (who is often used in this category).... amazing catalog prior to death...

John F. Kennedy... the history on JFK doesn't start and end during his two years in office...

I think this whole "Immortilized By Death" category should be reserved by folks like James Dean, Kurt Cobain and others who died before their careers hit their peak.

Just my 2 cents

I agree with your point, but I'm not sure JFK is as good an example as the rest. I personally think the "Kennedy" mystique would have gone away a bit had he lived. He wasn't a great President, yet people remember him as if he was. Elvis is spot on though, he was a lock no matter when he died.

I would add on John Lennon though, he was all ready at his peak when he was killed, so that's deserved ala Marilyn, Elvis, etc.

[ehh]

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Len Bias? On a smaller scale obviously.

[X*Cell]

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Len Bias? On a smaller scale obviously.

well not too many people know about him... i mean, save for us OS geeks lol but maybe if he played a few years and was the next big thing, and then died... then he would be immortalized...

I agree with you Clay... those are very good points.

[MagicBucsWsoxFan]

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sanjaya

[ehh]

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well not too many people know about him... i mean, save for us OS geeks lol but maybe if he played a few years and was the next big thing, and then died...

I disagree. Bias wasn't on the level of politictians, etc (which is why I mentioned to a lesser extent in my above post) but he was one of the best college basketball players of the mid-80's. It's not like he was an unknown who only OS-geeks know about.

Heck, SportsCenter ran the '20-year anniversary of his death' special recently.

[Jistic]

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Reggie Bush
LeBron James

[jfsolo]

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Since this is IMO, the "Hype vs. ***** Era", I think there are very few people who could achieve anything close to the Super Iconic status of Dean and the others who died before their "peak"

No one in politics has a chance, we're way too cynical for that. There is also no one in music who doesn't have at least as many detractors as supporters.

In T.V. and film none of the young stars seem to be on the verge of superstardom. The best work is being done by vets who have paid their dues.

There might be a few in sports that I could see being immortalized. Lebron is the most obvious one. There are a few other who are a bit of reach, but could be considered: Reggie Bush, Ryan Howard, Sidney Crosby have all shown just enough that if they were gone tomorrow they might be immortalized.

Nowadays we like to tear people down at the same time we're building them up. No one is exempt.

[SPTO]

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I agree with your point, but I'm not sure JFK is as good an example as the rest. I personally think the "Kennedy" mystique would have gone away a bit had he lived. He wasn't a great President, yet people remember him as if he was.

He wasn't a great president? Ok well all i'll say is that the world would be totally different if he was never prez. Also I agree to an extent that the mystique would've faded a bit if he had lived but on the flip side we may have been able to see a modern dynasty as I think RFK and maybe even Ted Kennedy being in the White House. (I don't see Ted as a president but surely a VP or in the cabinet)