****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

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  • fistofrage
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    • Aug 2002
    • 13682

    #1081
    Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

    Really lame episode last night. If the writers strike had prevented them from making any more episodes beyond the 8 this year, we would have been left with this for 8 months, that probably would have been the end of the show.

    My guess is that Michael can't die now because he's already dead at some later time. Haven't quite grasped how this works, but I think where & when you die is it. If you die while back in time or don't link up to point X in the future you have a brain anorysm and die in present time, if you have died in the present while you were back in time, than you can't die while you are back in time. Its almost like you can be 2 places at once but only have consciousness at place at a time.

    So who planted the plane crash? I say its Ben. Why would Whidmore have people on his freighter like the helicoptor pilot who thought there may be survivors if it was Whidmore who staged everything. I still can't grasp why/how Ben with all of his resources allows himself to be in the situations he gets himself into. AT any time a losse cannon Lostie could put a cap in his ***., unless like Michael, Ben can't die right now...... Doesn't make any sense.
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    • poster
      All Star
      • Nov 2003
      • 7506

      #1082
      Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

      Originally posted by YankeePride
      Are you sure about that? Desmond hasn't shown any signs of being aware of his surroundings. Even after speaking to Penny on the phone he talks to Sayid as if he doesn't really know him.



      All solid questions. Miles didn't deny that they planned to kill everyone once they had Ben. I think Minkowski just wasn't aware of their true intentions.

      Widmore must know something is up if he's looking for the Island and wants to make sure no one else finds it.

      I'm interested in knowing how he knows about Ben. The book "Bad Twin" confirmed connections with the Widmore Corporation and Paik Industries and the Hanso Foundation. We obviously know that the Hanso Foundation has connections to DHARMA as they were responsible for financing the DHARMA Initiative.

      Another interesting note is that the balloon (belonging to Henry Gale) had the Widmore Labs logo on it.

      I wonder if perhaps the flyer of that balloon was once looking for the Island for Widmore and ended up being killed by Ben and the Others.
      Interesting stuff, espically the balloon. Totally forgot about the balloon and didn't remember the logo. Is the book "Bad Twin" easy to find? Sounds really interesting.

      Originally posted by fistofrage
      Really lame episode last night. If the writers strike had prevented them from making any more episodes beyond the 8 this year, we would have been left with this for 8 months, that probably would have been the end of the show.

      My guess is that Michael can't die now because he's already dead at some later time. Haven't quite grasped how this works, but I think where & when you die is it. If you die while back in time or don't link up to point X in the future you have a brain anorysm and die in present time, if you have died in the present while you were back in time, than you can't die while you are back in time. Its almost like you can be 2 places at once but only have consciousness at place at a time.

      So who planted the plane crash? I say its Ben. Why would Whidmore have people on his freighter like the helicoptor pilot who thought there may be survivors if it was Whidmore who staged everything. I still can't grasp why/how Ben with all of his resources allows himself to be in the situations he gets himself into. AT any time a losse cannon Lostie could put a cap in his ***., unless like Michael, Ben can't die right now...... Doesn't make any sense.
      I don't get the staged crash either. I think the bad*** captain of the frieghter said last week that Charles Widmore staged it, and then Tom talked about how the steps Widmore took in this week's episode (like digging up the bodies, can you imagine that, WTF? LOL).

      Like you said though, it doesn't seem like any of the other crew know except maybe that other gruff looking guy who was skeet shooting (LOL). Frank the pilot even thinks the wreckage is BS since he knew the pilot was or wasn't married (can't remember the exact thing that tipped him off) when they showed the footage. I guess maybe everyone is in the dark, but since they are all scared of the captain I don't know what the hell is going on there on the freighter.

      Here is to hoping the last 5 episodes are as awesome as the end of Season 3 was.

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      • Picci
        MVP
        • Feb 2003
        • 4517

        #1083
        Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

        Help me with a couple of questions I have regarding the latest.

        So when Tom was shot dead by Sawyer on the island and we see him in future with Michael, this means he wasn't dead?

        If Michael and Walt made it back to safety, they kept their identity safe because why? No one, whether they docked somewhere or were picked up ever confirmed who they really were and remained secretive all this time because?

        Damn this show has me rattled a times.

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        • Chief Illinimac
          Gimme the Oscar, Friendo.
          • Dec 2004
          • 2365

          #1084
          Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

          Originally posted by Picci
          Help me with a couple of questions I have regarding the latest.

          So when Tom was shot dead by Sawyer on the island and we see him in future with Michael, this means he wasn't dead?

          If Michael and Walt made it back to safety, they kept their identity safe because why? No one, whether they docked somewhere or were picked up ever confirmed who they really were and remained secretive all this time because?

          Damn this show has me rattled a times.
          Tom was talking to Michael in between when Michael left the island and before Tom got shot. It was a flashback.
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          • USF11
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            • Jun 2003
            • 4245

            #1085
            Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

            Originally posted by Picci
            Help me with a couple of questions I have regarding the latest.

            So when Tom was shot dead by Sawyer on the island and we see him in future with Michael, this means he wasn't dead?

            If Michael and Walt made it back to safety, they kept their identity safe because why? No one, whether they docked somewhere or were picked up ever confirmed who they really were and remained secretive all this time because?

            Damn this show has me rattled a times.
            What doesnt make sense to me is the timeline here? Boats are not planes.

            1.Leaving the island in a boat would take a month.
            2.Then screwing up the relationship with walt would take atleaset a month.
            3.Tom leaving the island to visit michael would take a month.

            And yet the losties have only been on the island what 3-4 months (Jin's Pregnancy)

            And they never shoulda killed off big tom.
            Last edited by USF11; 03-21-2008, 08:36 PM.
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            • CMH
              Making you famous
              • Oct 2002
              • 26203

              #1086
              Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

              Originally posted by USF11
              What doesnt make sense to me is the timeline here? Boats are not planes.

              1.Leaving the island in a boat would take a month.
              2.Then screwing up the relationship with the sun would take atleaset a month.
              3.Tom leaving the island to visit michael would take a month.

              And yet the losties have only been on the island what 3-4 months (Jin's Pregnancy)

              And they never shoulda killed off big tom.
              The Others don't only take boats. The submarine was used for the last part of the ride to the Island.

              They could be taking a boat to a location and then going with a helicopter or plane.
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              • CMH
                Making you famous
                • Oct 2002
                • 26203

                #1087
                Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                Not a spoiler but if you like reading what the producers have to say then click.

                Q&A with Cuse and Lindeloff.
                "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

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                • Pared
                  Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 39337

                  #1088
                  Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                  New Ep tonight! Get excited!
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                  • SidVish
                    2010,13,15,16 CHAMPS!
                    • Apr 2003
                    • 11743

                    #1089
                    Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                    Originally posted by Pared
                    New Ep tonight! Get excited!

                    Finally!!!!!
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                    • Double Eights
                      Banned
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 5733

                      #1090
                      Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                      It's been a while. I'm ready.

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                      • ehh
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 28962

                        #1091
                        Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                        I'm excited but pretty skeptical. I shouldn't be since every time it appears that Lost is headed down the ****ter the show gets amazing for a long stretch of time.

                        I'm still not convinced they can make the flash-forward angle work well.
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                        • CMH
                          Making you famous
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 26203

                          #1092
                          Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                          I think that went by rather quickly.
                          "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

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                          • Pared
                            Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 39337

                            #1093
                            Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                            10 pm tonight right? Not at 9 pm anymore...?
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                            • ProStylez
                              Goon Squad
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 1988

                              #1094
                              Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                              Originally posted by Pared
                              10 pm tonight right? Not at 9 pm anymore...?
                              That is correct P, which would be 9 by me not 8

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                              • Pared
                                Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 39337

                                #1095
                                Re: ****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

                                Cool thanks.

                                Sorry.. forget the whole EST thing... NYers think the world revolves around us.
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