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  • SkunkWurks6
    Banned
    • Jul 2007
    • 514

    #61
    Re: Another Messed up Story

    Originally posted by mgoblue
    I understand, and I completely agree (and have all thread) that this woman was completely evil and that I have no idea how she sleeps at night. I know I couldn't if I were her.

    That being said, if the child has that intense of mental issues, should they be on myspace in the first place? With someone that fragile I hardly think myspace is appropriate. If this girl was knowingly suicidal, then why wasn't she on suicide watch at a mental care facility. Apparently she was in much worse shape than anyone knew. I'm not blaming the parents, and I understand how fragile some people can be, and what can happen.

    I don't disagree that the woman was evil, wrong, etc...I just don't think she is legally liable. Morally liable? Hell f'ing yeah. I really hope God or whatever's out there pays this woman back in the end! Was this woman the primary cause of the girl's suicide? Maybe not cause, but impetus. Sadly all this girl needed was a push, and this sick, sad woman gave her that.

    We just can't go sending her to jail or killing her because then it's a slippery, slippery slope.

    We can agree to disagree, I know that some people are way more litigious than I am...
    When dealing with mental illness, you don't want to make the child feel like an outsider, so her parents let her have the myspace account on their terms, but it still went wrong because of a grown woman playing mind games with a little girl. The parents were just trying to let her be a normal 13 year old girl. Like her mom said, she was one of the few who didn't have one and all she wanted for her b-day, was a myspace, so she could be like her friends. Like I said you wouldn't understand how much serious mental problems can affect you unless you've been through it or been going through it with someone you're extremely close to, and even then it's hard to know what the person is going through.
    Last edited by SkunkWurks6; 11-29-2007, 11:47 AM.

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    • Brandon13
      All Star
      • Oct 2005
      • 8915

      #62
      Re: Another Messed up Story

      Originally posted by SkunkWurks6
      When dealing with mental illness, you don't want to make the child feel like an outsider, so her parents let her have the myspace account on their terms, but it still went wrong because of a grown woman playing mind games with a little girl. The parents were just trying to let her be a normal 13 year old girl. Like her mom said, she was one of the few who didn't have one and all she wanted for her b-day, was a myspace, so she could be like her friends.
      Yeah, I honestly can't blame the parents for letting her have a myspace, especially if they were monitoring it as closely as they say they were. They never could have assumed that something like this would happen.

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      • mgoblue
        Go Wings!
        • Jul 2002
        • 25477

        #63
        Re: Another Messed up Story

        Originally posted by SkunkWurks6
        When dealing with mental illness, you don't want to make the child feel like an outsider, so her parents let her have the myspace account on their terms, but it still went wrong because of a grown woman playing mind games with a little girl. The parents were just trying to let her be a normal 13 year old girl. Like her mom said, she was one of the few who didn't have one and all she wanted for her b-day, was a myspace, so she could be like her friends. Like I said you wouldn't understand how much serious mental problems can affect you unless you've been through it or been going through it with someone you're extremely close to, and even then it's hard to know what the person is going through.
        I understand...and I can't fully relate, you're right.

        You need to realize that I truly am really pissed at this woman, sad this happened to the girl, and I really hope this crazy evil woman gets what's coming to her.

        I know some parents who flat out won't let their kids on myspace at all, so that is really just the parents call. I'm not a parent, and I know it'll be tough when I am. I think I would have acted like her parents did, honestly. However, sometimes you can't give kids what they want. I remember when I was the only damn kid wearing a bike helmet. I got made fun of incessantly, but my dumb mom made me for my "safety". I bitched and moaned for months, but she forced me to even though I didn't like it, because it was better for me.

        I just can't imagine how someone could pretend to be a guy and do this to a teenager. A grown woman...I can somewhat imagine immature teens doing something like this to mess with someone, but a grown woman. She should know better.
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        • SkunkWurks6
          Banned
          • Jul 2007
          • 514

          #64
          Re: Another Messed up Story

          It's hard for me to see people acting like it's the girls fault, I have battled bipolar disorder for my whole life, Only in the last 10 years was I diagnosed. People don't know what it's like to think about killing yourself for weeks at a time, and most people would never think a 12 or 13 year old could ever imagine taking their own life, but it's real and it happens. It consumes you and you can very easily lose touch with reality and life it's self, so to say some of the bull**** I've heard on this board really pisses me off. Luckily for me I've found some things that keep me up and now I have a decent outlook most of the time, though it can still be a struggle. That woman knew what might have happened had she pushed that girl and it did happen, how can you say she's not to blame?

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          • mgoblue
            Go Wings!
            • Jul 2002
            • 25477

            #65
            Re: Another Messed up Story

            Originally posted by SkunkWurks6
            It's hard for me to see people acting like it's the girls fault, I have battled bipolar disorder for my whole life, Only in the last 10 years was I diagnosed. People don't know what it's like to think about killing yourself for weeks at a time, and most people would never think a 12 or 13 year old could ever imagine taking their own life, but it's real and it happens. It consumes you and you can very easily lose touch with reality and life it's self, so to say some of the bull**** I've heard on this board really pisses me off. Luckily for me I've found some things that keep me up and now I have a decent outlook most of the time, though it can still be a struggle. That woman knew what might have happened had she pushed that girl and it did happen, how can you say she's not to blame?
            She's to blame, just not legally...morally yes, legally no. That's my only point here. I'm not debating her evilness, wrongness, etc. In no way am I saying this is the girl's fault. It's not. I am just saying that the woman cannot and should not be held legally liable, given current laws. Morally I think this woman is going to rot in hell and pay for her wrongdoing, at least I hope so.

            I'm going to bow out of this thread. My intentions were not, and have not, been to trivialize mental illness or defend this crazy woman. I understand your points, and my entire point was that she's just not legally liable. I agree with the police in this situation, comments i've read from the cops there are basically what I'm saying. I see where you're coming from, and given your intimate knowledge it makes sense.
            Last edited by mgoblue; 11-29-2007, 12:26 PM.
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            • GenoG
              MVP
              • Jun 2003
              • 1376

              #66
              Re: Another Messed up Story

              There is a fine line that that parents need to walk these days in when to stay out of their childrens lives, and when to but in.

              One responsible set of parents were limiting her myspace access, and had a computer in a common room where they had to supervise. Seems reasonable enough. Another parent creates a phony myspace account to trick one of her daughters ex friends to find out why she was mean to her.

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              • MizzouBravesFan
                MVP
                • Mar 2004
                • 2489

                #67
                Re: Another Messed up Story

                That woman and that family is downright friggin' SICK.

                I read this story in the K.C. Star yesterday, made me want to puke and had my blood boiling.

                Why on earth would you do that to someone? Some adult...she deserves to rot in hell for that.

                Just a terrible story from any angle.
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                • Pared
                  Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 39337

                  #68
                  Re: Another Messed up Story

                  Incredible.

                  Why was the FBI involved? If nothing came of their "investigation?"
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                  • ehh
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 28962

                    #69
                    Re: Another Messed up Story

                    It sucks this lady can't be charged with a crime, but if that ever happened to my daughter (hopefully she won't be a myspace whore someday, but anyway) I would probably do something drastic to the woman who did it to her.
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                    • MassNole
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 18848

                      #70
                      Re: Another Messed up Story

                      Originally posted by ESPNdeportes
                      http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/us...eef&ei=5087%0A

                      Thats one of the cruelest things I've ever heard. I wish she could be charged with a crime.
                      Mom indicted in deadly MySpace hoax - CNN.com

                      Kudos to the District Attorney in this county.

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                      • ESPNdeportes
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 3459

                        #71
                        Re: Another Messed up Story

                        Originally posted by MassNole
                        Mom indicted in deadly MySpace hoax - CNN.com

                        Kudos to the District Attorney in this county.
                        Good to hear. So if she is succesfully procescuted, would this serve as precedence for similar future cases of "cyber-bullying?"
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                        • MassNole
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                          • Mar 2006
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                          #72
                          Re: Another Messed up Story

                          Originally posted by ESPNdeportes
                          Good to hear. So if she is succesfully procescuted, would this serve as precedence for similar future cases of "cyber-bullying?"
                          I would hope so, this would be a pretty good test case. I know schools are struggling with how they can handle it internally since it doesn't really fall under their 'jurisdiction'. Thinking as an attorney, if my kid was being harassed online I would at least attempt to get a temporary restraining order forbidding all contact outside of school and then handle it in the civil courts. That being said there are some Judges out there who don't grasp the impact these sites have on children so my idea might not work.

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                          • Cebby
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                            • Apr 2005
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                            #73
                            Re: Another Messed up Story

                            Originally posted by MassNole
                            Mom indicted in deadly MySpace hoax - CNN.com

                            Kudos to the District Attorney in this county.
                            I'm in the whole "this is horrible, but not illegal" camp, and don't see the point of the indictment.

                            If I'm reading it correctly, they're hitting her with conspiracy to commit emotional distress under "the offense was committed in furtherance of any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any State,"

                            While certainly I'd like to see the woman punished, this could have some unintended results. I mean, what about the people here who mock Acid's sister? What about asianflow? BK's passiveness? Hell, the entire CFB and NBA forums? Could those not fall under "emotional distress?"

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                            • crques
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                              • Apr 2004
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                              #74
                              Re: Another Messed up Story

                              Originally posted by ESPNdeportes
                              http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/us...eef&ei=5087%0A

                              Thats one of the cruelest things I've ever heard. I wish she could be charged with a crime.
                              That's just sick and cruel. I can't understand why a grown adult would do something like this.

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                              • MassNole
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                                • Mar 2006
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                                #75
                                Re: Another Messed up Story

                                Originally posted by The Soldier
                                I'm in the whole "this is horrible, but not illegal" camp, and don't see the point of the indictment.

                                If I'm reading it correctly, they're hitting her with conspiracy to commit emotional distress under "the offense was committed in furtherance of any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any State,"

                                While certainly I'd like to see the woman punished, this could have some unintended results. I mean, what about the people here who mock Acid's sister? What about asianflow? BK's passiveness? Hell, the entire CFB and NBA forums? Could those not fall under "emotional distress?"
                                I don't know how much I buy into that slippery slope argument. This was really an egregious example of what can happen and to me that mother is really no better than some 49 year old man looking to have sex with a 13 year old on Myspace. She is a grown adult who chose to mess with the emotions of a child, how would she have felt if someone did the same thing to her child?

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