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  • SPTO
    binging
    • Feb 2003
    • 68046

    #16
    Re: You Have Got to be Kidding me. Murder for sale.

    Originally posted by The Soldier



    That would suck. Say good bye to the entire crime genre in movies, TV, and books.
    I think he means someone that profits from committing a crime not eliminating any kind of crime in movies and TV.
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    • J-Unit40
      Boom!!
      • Sep 2005
      • 8261

      #17
      Re: You Have Got to be Kidding me. Murder for sale.

      This is just hideous. This dude will find his *** in court in no time. Book it.
      "Hard work beats talent, when talent isn't working hard.”

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      • Cebby
        Banned
        • Apr 2005
        • 22327

        #18
        Re: You Have Got to be Kidding me. Murder for sale.

        Originally posted by SPTO
        I think he means someone that profits from committing a crime not eliminating any kind of crime in movies and TV.
        Law and Order, CSI, The Wire, and most other movies and shows are based off of real incidents. And even if they aren't, there's going to be a coincidence and some victim is going to sue for all profits anyway.

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        • SPTO
          binging
          • Feb 2003
          • 68046

          #19
          Re: You Have Got to be Kidding me. Murder for sale.

          Originally posted by The Soldier
          Law and Order, CSI, The Wire, and most other movies and shows are based off of real incidents. And even if they aren't, there's going to be a coincidence and some victim is going to sue for all profits anyway.
          That's a completely different kettle of fish. Besides, most of the "based on a true story" episodes are ripped from actual headlines and are public domain. It's not like you need permission to do a story based on some high profile crime. Hell, one of the Law and Order shows did an episode based on the Amy Fisher case 10 or so years after the fact! Now if they did an episode based on something that happened a year or so earlier then yes I can see your point but that rarely if ever happens.
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          • Gibbz
            All Star
            • Aug 2005
            • 8240

            #20
            Re: You Have Got to be Kidding me. Murder for sale.

            It seems a bit wrong to film the stuff and I wouldn't buy the DVD, but I don't know why the cameraman is considered a criminal himself. Sounds like he just found an easy way to make money.

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            • SPTO
              binging
              • Feb 2003
              • 68046

              #21
              Re: You Have Got to be Kidding me. Murder for sale.

              Originally posted by gibbzilla558
              It seems a bit wrong to film the stuff and I wouldn't buy the DVD, but I don't know why the cameraman is considered a criminal himself. Sounds like he just found an easy way to make money.
              Being an accomplice to the crime.
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              • MassNole
                Banned
                • Mar 2006
                • 18848

                #22
                Re: You Have Got to be Kidding me. Murder for sale.

                Originally posted by gibbzilla558
                It seems a bit wrong to film the stuff and I wouldn't buy the DVD, but I don't know why the cameraman is considered a criminal himself. Sounds like he just found an easy way to make money.
                He'd claim he was enforcing his 1st Amendment rights as a member of the press, and so long as he wasn't directly involved in the crime itself he'd probably win. Now that being said I'd like an argument that he is engaging in a furtherance of a conspiracy to commit a crime because he then helps to distribute the recorded crime for profit, but again the 1st Amendment gets in the way.

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                • Cebby
                  Banned
                  • Apr 2005
                  • 22327

                  #23
                  Re: You Have Got to be Kidding me. Murder for sale.

                  Originally posted by SPTO
                  That's a completely different kettle of fish. Besides, most of the "based on a true story" episodes are ripped from actual headlines and are public domain. It's not like you need permission to do a story based on some high profile crime. Hell, one of the Law and Order shows did an episode based on the Amy Fisher case 10 or so years after the fact! Now if they did an episode based on something that happened a year or so earlier then yes I can see your point but that rarely if ever happens.
                  They've done episodes a lot more recent than that. They did the whole astronaut/diaper thing about a month and a half afterwards.

                  Permission and public domain don't matter, Law and Order is still directly profiting off of criminal acts.

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                  • SPTO
                    binging
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 68046

                    #24
                    Re: You Have Got to be Kidding me. Murder for sale.

                    Originally posted by MassNole
                    He'd claim he was enforcing his 1st Amendment rights as a member of the press, and so long as he wasn't directly involved in the crime itself he'd probably win. Now that being said I'd like an argument that he is engaging in a furtherance of a conspiracy to commit a crime because he then helps to distribute the recorded crime for profit, but again the 1st Amendment gets in the way.
                    Since you're the legal expert here i'll ask but do you think the 1st Amendment would really cover this guy? I mean look at how conservative the court system has gotten in the last decade. (Look no further to the whole "revealing sources" issue with some reporters involved in the Scooter Libby case)
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                    • MassNole
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 18848

                      #25
                      Re: You Have Got to be Kidding me. Murder for sale.

                      It depends on a lot of things, such as if they could show that the cameraman in some way induced the crime. If they can show that and he is criminally convicted as an accessory in some way then 1st Amendment rights would not attach. If they cannot make that showing then I honestly believe that this could survive under the 1st Amendment. Who knows though with this Supreme Court (if it made it that far) these things are too hard to predict.

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                      • dossier
                        Banned
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 2272

                        #26
                        Re: You Have Got to be Kidding me. Murder for sale.

                        I just can't understnad people sometimes. Like you hear rappers and other people complain why their life sucks because of Bush and why people stereotype them, and then stuff like this comes out and they never even second guess that maybe they get what they deserve.

                        It reminds me of Crash when Terrence Howard tells Ludacris how embarresed of him he is because he commits such atrocities.

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                        • The 24th Letter
                          ERA
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 39373

                          #27
                          Re: You Have Got to be Kidding me. Murder for sale.

                          Last week, another YouTube video of a gang of foulmouthed teenage girls pounding on a male subway rider outraged the city.
                          this would never. ever. ever. ever. ever. ever. happen to me.......anyone know what this is under in youtube?

                          EDIT: I found it......ridiculous man.....I wish they would come up to me on the subway..... Im not trying to be a tough guy but things like this make me sick.

                          cowards.
                          not just the girls, people who things like this in general.
                          Last edited by The 24th Letter; 12-11-2007, 06:17 PM.

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                          • pk500
                            All Star
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 8062

                            #28
                            Re: You Have Got to be Kidding me. Murder for sale.

                            As one of the comments said in the Daily News, where's the Rev. Al and Jesse leading protest marches in outrage?

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                            • realtalktruth
                              Rookie
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 472

                              #29
                              Re: You Have Got to be Kidding me. Murder for sale.

                              Originally posted by pk500
                              As one of the comments said in the Daily News, where's the Rev. Al and Jesse leading protest marches in outrage?

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                              how can anyone like rev. al, jesse, naacp, or anyone else of their type when their whole agendy is kind of hypocritical. i mean talk about racism, they are making an organization based on race.
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                              Just do what I do and put him on ignore. Some people just can't accept the fact, people have a differing opinion than theirs.
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                              • Scottdau
                                Banned
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 32580

                                #30
                                Re: You Have Got to be Kidding me. Murder for sale.

                                Originally posted by NovaStar
                                Oh, it's real. I was in Harlem not too long ago and this guy was on the block selling "crack heads gone wild". It had actual footage of crack heads smoking the pipe and goin completely freakin crazy! I just looked at the guy and said "c'mon man". He was selling it like it was completely natural to do so, like he was a hot dog vendor or something. This is absolutely crazy, though.
                                It is the Streets, that is what it is all about there. Make the money any way you can.

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