Media, Kids, Parents, Society - What's Gone Wrong?

[Chief Illinimac]

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while on the other hand i got beaten with almost everything my mother could find and i don't even remember why or even care anymore. as soon as you learn what you think is right and wrong everything else is just extra.

If you don't think your mother instilled some sense of right and wrong, you're lying to yourself. You may be older and know what is right or wrong, but that base came from her.

[DaveDQ]

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It's vital to our society that the family unit be stable and healthy. It truly breaks my heart when I see a parent knowingly forsake the wellbeing of their family by purposefully avoiding responsibility.

[jim416]

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while on the other hand i got beaten with almost everything my mother could find and i don't even remember why or even care anymore. as soon as you learn what you think is right and wrong everything else is just extra.

Who the heck is talking about beating your kids up? Who said arse whooping. You don't have to BEAT a kid. A spanking is not an arse whooping, nor is it beating your kid up.

If you got beat repeatedly as a kid, well, therein lies a problem itself.

[TheMatrix31]

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To play devil's advocate, I was never physically disciplined as a kid and I think I came out with a strong sense of morals and values. On the other hand, I had some other experiences that probably helped shape those.

You can be a good person and make smart, rational decisions without your parents touching your *** once.

[realtalktruth]

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If you don't think your mother instilled some sense of right and wrong, you're lying to yourself. You may be older and know what is right or wrong, but that base came from her.

lying to myself? my mother never really told me not to do drugs or to not have unprotected sex or any other pep talks like that. why do you ask? because with the way our society is now we already know at very early ages. i know what drugs can do to you and what unprotected sex can do to you. my mother never really taught me what was right and wrong because i already know. parents can shape your life just like your experiences and the media but in the end it will always be your responsibility to do whats right or wrong.

[jim416]

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Yes it's your responsiblity, nobody is saying that you must not take responsibility for your choices, but you're saying nothing, no education/lack of/media/constant bombardment with images/etc., etc., has an effect. In the end it's just simple choice. But choice based on what?

If you're that strong, kudos, but I can give you hundreds of examples of kids (for example) who totally believe the hype they are hearing from their peers/television/media, on and on and on. True, they have to accept responsibility, but every interaction we have, everyday is an "education". Might not be school taught, but it goes into the brain, we process and make decisions. Responsibility for that is another topic.

Your saying, cast aside all that you've seen/heard/learned/experienced, you're gonna make a decision without these stimuli. Impossible. If not impossible, extremely rare.

[Beantown]

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To play devil's advocate, I was never physically disciplined as a kid and I think I came out with a strong sense of morals and values. On the other hand, I had some other experiences that probably helped shape those.

You can be a good person and make smart, rational decisions without your parents touching your *** once.

I was never beaten, never spanked, never punished, never even grounded as a kid.

My parents didn't believe in punishments...and yet I still turned out to be a pretty damn good kid who has no desire to go commit crimes or what have you.

The lack of punishment is, also, not the main reason for most of the problems in society today.

[ILLCHILL]

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I agree and disagree with a bunch of posts in this thread, which by the way reaffirms my fading belief that intelligent beings lurk OS .

I think what kids need are more opportunities. I am 18 years old, have had two loving parents and had some tragedy and less than desireable circumstances at various points in my life. But as I look back, I believe that opportunities I have been given, doors that have been opened in my life, have stregthened my desire to not only walk the straight and narrow, but want to help others in need and maybe opening up some doors for them.

I believe programs that open up these doors are key because kids who are hopeless and may tend to go down the wrong path are given a hope and something to act right for.

At least that's how I see it. Also, without getting into the religion aspect too much, I also think that the further God is pushed out of the picture, the worse it is.

[bucksfan07]

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I agree and disagree with a bunch of posts in this thread, which by the way reaffirms my fading belief that intelligent beings lurk OS .

I think what kids need are more opportunities. I am 18 years old, have had two loving parents and had some tragedy and less than desireable circumstances at various points in my life. But as I look back, I believe that opportunities I have been given, doors that have been opened in my life, have stregthened my desire to not only walk the straight and narrow, but want to help others in need and maybe opening up some doors for them.

I believe programs that open up these doors are key because kids who are hopeless and may tend to go down the wrong path are given a hope and something to act right for.

At least that's how I see it. Also, without getting into the religion aspect too much, I also think that the further God is pushed out of the picture, the worse it is.

excellent, excellent post

[DXZeke]

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At some point there's only so much a parent can do. Once a Kid hits 16, you start losing a lot of say and power over their lives mainly due to them wanting to be their own person. That's when a lot of us start making our mistakes that we learn from...

The problem that I see is, when i was younger we'd have to own up to our mistakes and take responsibility. There were some that didn't, but the majority did. You'd have your parents on you about it... now they say it's not your fault and someone else is the cause.



As I saw in a few other posts, yes Environment does help mold people. The problem lies in that when you get older you do have an idea of what's good and what's bad. It's a free choice to be what you are. Ultimately you are responsible for what you do.


This doesn't apply to everyone, but covers a heck of a lot of us..
It's started with my Generation (25-40) and then has increased 10 fold with Generation Me (13-25)... the amount of in general disrespect that these two generations give to people. It's sickening. It's like we always feel we are owed something. We go to college and graduate and automatically feel that we are above others in our new jobs... We can't find a job EASY, so we complain and give up.



Again, not all, but most...
Women in this generation make me sick at times. Women in their 40s, 50s, 60s, spent DECADES trying to get equal rights for women in the workplace. They endured sexual harassment before it was a real legal issue. They've been paid unfair differences in wages for the same job. etc etc etc.

Now you take Generation me that primarily wants sugar daddies. They want the guy with money. They are screwing up what women before them fought for.

This is not a 1 income family infrastructure anymore. You need 2 incomes to get bye and have a buffer or else every little thing could be your next step in to never ending debt.





Online Gaming Now...

Online Gaming 10yrs ago and Gaming with Friends at the house was a lot less brutal verbally amongst friends. You'd have a bit of trash talking, but not the constant level of utter trash you hear kids say now. It does go BEYOND anything that my buddies ever said to each other many years ago when we were teens.

With the online gaming stuff there's no way to cut it down or police it. They try, but there's no real way to solve the problem. It's sad. Extremely sad.

Parents should at least monitor what their kids are saying while playing these games online... and hell, the kids should know better. Take responsibility. Show a little discipline.

[ehh]

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PK summed up my thoughts perfectly.

All of this micromanagement and looking at for every possible thing, no matter how big or small, as a source for blame.

The school system in Meriden, CT just banned hooded sweatshirts. I'm sure it wasn't the first town to do so, but c'mon. Kids aren't behaving as they should because they're wearing hoodies?

[bergie56]

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PK summed up my thoughts perfectly.

All of this micromanagement and looking at for every possible thing, no matter how big or small, as a source for blame.

The school system in Meriden, CT just banned hooded sweatshirts. I'm sure it wasn't the first town to do so, but c'mon. Kids aren't behaving as they should because they're wearing hoodies?

Seriously? What do they think that sweatshirts cause kids to do?

PK's post should have been the last post in this thread with any substance to it, as he nailed it right on the head for the most part. Also, count me amongst those who don't think that everything is as bad as people make it out to be.

[X*Cell]

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But user-generated media also isn't subject to the same journalistic ethics and accuracy as mainstream media, so it must be considered with caution. Still, with American traditional media sinking into a totally profit-motivated era reeking of partisan yellow journalism, the gap of accuracy and quality between traditional media and user-generated media narrows by the day.

Take hockey, for example. I adore, worship and revere the sport, follow it religiously. But the mainstream American sports media has deemed that hockey isn't an important sport anymore, so its coverage has dwindled. Bloggers and podcasts have filled that void for me, and their information is more accurate, interpretive, analytical and entertaining than the coverage that I can get at almost any mainstream newspaper or sports network Web site, including the overrated ESPN.

Right on.

Same with the radio promoting music that is supposed to be popular. You don't have to listen to it to make you somebody, because it actually makes you a nobody, because you're just like everyone else. I decide not to listen to that garbage, and filter what I listen to, and that would be listening to stuff that I can decide whether or not is good, and not what some DJ is paid to tell me is good. Personal choices... personal responsibility.

[Chief Illinimac]

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The whole "our generation was better than this generation" crap is getting old.

There isn't any differences, other than your perception of the world changing with age. Kids back then swore just as much when parents weren't around. They did WAY more drugs than kids do now. They had WAY more unprotected sex. I don't get where this line keeps coming from, but keep believing it I guess, if it makes you feel better. If you don't think so, you were probably pretty sheltered, and if a kid is sheltered now, they would have the same belief about this generation.

[Scottdau]

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The whole "our generation was better than this generation" crap is getting old.

There isn't any differences, other than your perception of the world changing with age. Kids back then swore just as much when parents weren't around. They did WAY more drugs than kids do now. They had WAY more unprotected sex. I don't get where this line keeps coming from, but keep believing it I guess, if it makes you feel better. If you don't think so, you were probably pretty sheltered, and if a kid is sheltered now, they would have the same belief about this generation.

There is one difference kids are killing each other. When I was growing up it was bad, but not that bad. Gun violence has got out of hand here.