Are College Campuses Really Safer Now?

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Please keep the thread on the topic at hand and not take it into the realm of a political debate that would lock the thread. Health care has nothing to do with campus safety.

As for the issue, I don't know how to make campuses safer. Here at CU, I'm sure we have the same rules everyone else does. CU Police are basically non-existent on campus, I see maybe one a day. I don't think there's a way to make any public place perfectly safe, though I'm certainly not in fear for my life when I go to class.

As a gun owner going through the procedures to get my concealed carry, I'd like to think I'm qualified to carry on campus if we were allowed to, which we're not. It's hard to place myself in the situation, since I have nothing like it I can compare it to.

[marshallfever]

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Exactly.

They are going in there for one reason, and one reason only...to kill. The only way to stop these people, is to kill them first. And the only way to kill them first, is for someone to have a weapon of their own.

Gun laws do one thing, and that is to prevent good law obiding citizens from obtaining and carrying guns. If someone wants to kill someone, they will do it. Banning people from getting guns just prevents the good people from being able to protect themselves from the dirtbags who don't care about laws...the dirtbags you see shooting up schools.

If the schools aren't going to protect their students (no metal detectors, very little campus police, etc..), then the students should have the right to do it themselves. Anyone can get a gun, not everyone can get a CCW permit. Allowing the students/teachers with the CCW permits to carry on campus, would help prevent the mass school shootings. Yes, psychos will still try to shoot up schools, but with armed students/teachers there will be less likely victims.

Your intentions are correct, but you have to realize that necessarily having a gun on you won't save you. What if the student who goes berserk has a CCW permit, hes decided that hes fed up with the people in his school, teachers, students,he just hates everything now.

Like someone in the beginning of this thread mentioned, these like this can't really be stopped. There are too many students at universities to check them all. And i can garantee you even if there were metal detectors, people would find a way around it.

The only thing you can do is pray that this never happens to your school, cause having a gun or not, theres no way around a pysological disturbed individual.

[wwharton]

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Well terrorism in the middle east and school shootings here are two different things.

People love to make the argument that if people wanted to do serious harm they could so guns really aren't the problem. It's like NRA speak.


We don't have a bomb problem is this country and I hope we never do. We do have a gun problem. The suicide bombing problems are more complicated then a bunch of kids shooting up their school. You are talking about socio-economic and religious factors mixed in with brainwashing.

This argument that people are going to kill anyway so the means in which they kill aren't important is parochial.

In fact, I don't think we have a gun problem, I think we have a hand gun problem is this country. Responsible gun owners, sportsmen, farmers and ranchers aren't walking into schools and shooting up the place.

What you're doing is taking what I said and branching out into other things that it "could" mean but I'm focused on the topic at hand. I'm not comparing the reason a student or someone would want to kill a bunch of people in school to terrorist acts in the middle east. What I'm saying is the people involved in these school shootings have serious psychological problems that have brought them to the point of deciding to take a bunch of innocent lives along with their own. Yes, the easiest way for them to do that in America right now is by getting a hold of a gun. However, the argument is being made that if others could legally carry guns they could defend against this... there is no defense. It's the risk we take for the freedoms we have. My point about the bombs, or poison or whatever is that these people aren't obvious killers seen from a mile away and if their intention is to bring a great deal of harm and death to a bunch of people and intend on taking their own life in the process, they can find many ways of doing this. America is wide open. We just need to accept that. Any efforts to curb these problems needs to be with identifying and helping the individuals.

[ballerzinc]

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It's funny hearing how all your guy's police forces are nonexistant, where at Temple (where I'm going next year) they have the third biggest police force in the state.

[wwharton]

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Temple's in the heart of Philly though. Some other schools are in similar situations but I'd guess their security is better than the other places also.

[bamalam]

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http://freenj.blogspot.com/2007/06/my-favorite-gun-statistics.html

interesting site

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http://newsok.com/article/3216625/1205552291

House members approved the bill after changes were made limiting who would be allowed to bring guns on campus. The Senate now will take up the measure.

The bill would allow active-duty military and National Guard and Reserve members, honorably discharged veterans and others with firearms training certified by the Council on Law Enforcement Education who hold a state concealed weapons license to bring guns on college and university campuses. Before it was modified, the original bill would have allowed anyone at least 21 years old with a concealed handgun carrying permit to take a gun on campus.

"To allow other people to have guns who have not trained with our police units would create chaos in a crisis situation,” Boren said. "Police would not be able to sort out dangerous gunmen from others on campus with guns.”

Boren said the bill also could damage OU's ability to recruit students and faculty who might see it as an unsafe environment.

The bill would require people authorized to carry a concealed handgun to provide written notice to the university or college president before bringing a gun on campus.