Are College Campuses Really Safer Now?

[skitch]

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Under control, he wasn't spotted again so they canceled the lockdown. Hmmm, sounds familiar. I'm guessing it was nothing, I'm hoping it was nothing. Too bad we can't know for sure.

You know it was a hoax, right? The person that reported the "gunman" never actually saw anything.. it was one big lie. He's now being charged with a couple of felonies.

[JRod]

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Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Actually let's not minimize guns though.

If in the VT shooting the guy had a shotgun / rifle or a knife. You probably wouldn't have such a large loss of life. For one it's hard to cover up a shotgun or rifle. But maybe someone would see the barrel and call 911. With a hand gun you don't know he has a gun until people have been shot.

I'm not going to say less people would have died if he had a longer barreled weapon but the chances that you can conceal that is tougher.

Anyway, people with guns kill. How many incidents in this country do we see where large numbers of people were murdered without a firearm.

[wwharton]

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Actually let's not minimize guns though.

If in the VT shooting the guy had a shotgun / rifle or a knife. You probably wouldn't have such a large loss of life. For one it's hard to cover up a shotgun or rifle. But maybe someone would see the barrel and call 911. With a hand gun you don't know he has a gun until people have been shot.

I'm not going to say less people would have died if he had a longer barreled weapon but the chances that you can conceal that is tougher.

Anyway, people with guns kill. How many incidents in this country do we see where large numbers of people were murdered without a firearm.

It's not minimizing guns at all. It's pointing to the real problem, the people with the guns. Lets say people were allowed to carry firearms and we were desensitized to seeing students walking back and forth with guns to class. Then the shotgun you speak of wouldn't have stood out. There are plenty of places in the world where it's normal to see people with guns everywhere you go. I'm thankful that America is not one of them, personally.

You say how many incidents in this country but if you look at world news you see bombs blowing people up left and right. People are crazy. If they want to find a way to kill a bunch of people on their way to checking out, they will.

[JRod]

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Well terrorism in the middle east and school shootings here are two different things.

People love to make the argument that if people wanted to do serious harm they could so guns really aren't the problem. It's like NRA speak.


We don't have a bomb problem is this country and I hope we never do. We do have a gun problem. The suicide bombing problems are more complicated then a bunch of kids shooting up their school. You are talking about socio-economic and religious factors mixed in with brainwashing.

This argument that people are going to kill anyway so the means in which they kill aren't important is parochial.

In fact, I don't think we have a gun problem, I think we have a hand gun problem is this country. Responsible gun owners, sportsmen, farmers and ranchers aren't walking into schools and shooting up the place.

[thmst30]

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You know it was a hoax, right? The person that reported the "gunman" never actually saw anything.. it was one big lie. He's now being charged with a couple of felonies.

Yes, buts its not like we knew at the time. All we were told is a man with a gun was seen on campus, they didn't think he was still around and canceled the lockdown.

[superjames1992]

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Universal Health Care.........is a good thing. Trust me, without universal health care I don't know where i'd be right now.

My main beef with Universal Health Care, though, is that I don't want the government taking care of me. The government always screws everything it gets involved in up. I don't want to trust my health to the government, because I don't trust them.

Plus, I think it is a method of control. Once we all have to have government issued ID cards, we are more controlled. Soon, they will start restricting where we can go, ect. I don't want to start down that road...

[SPTO]

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My main beef with Universal Health Care, though, is that I don't want the government taking care of me. The government always screws everything it gets involved in up. I don't want to trust my health to the government, because I don't trust them.

Plus, I think it is a method of control. Once we all have to have government issued ID cards, we are more controlled. Soon, they will start restricting where we can go, ect. I don't want to start down that road...

So you don't want cheaper over the counter medicine? I can understand your fear about being controlled but it has never been a problem here in Canada. In fact for the most part our government has done a very good job of managing the health care system despite it needing to be updated in some areas.

The major difference is that Canadians got into the socialized medicine idea early on before it got warped into the idea of being this evil communistic concept. In Canada we view universal health care as a priviledge AND a right.

[Spectre]

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Most legal experts would disagree.

No, I'll take the word of a 16 year old thank you very much

[jmood88]

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My main beef with Universal Health Care, though, is that I don't want the government taking care of me. The government always screws everything it gets involved in up. I don't want to trust my health to the government, because I don't trust them.

Plus, I think it is a method of control. Once we all have to have government issued ID cards, we are more controlled. Soon, they will start restricting where we can go, ect. I don't want to start down that road...

Do you have any medicine that you need to take daily? Have you ever been hospitalized regularly for something?

[The GIGGAS]

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My main beef with Universal Health Care, though, is that I don't want the government taking care of me. The government always screws everything it gets involved in up. I don't want to trust my health to the government, because I don't trust them.

Plus, I think it is a method of control. Once we all have to have government issued ID cards, we are more controlled. Soon, they will start restricting where we can go, ect. I don't want to start down that road...

What's a driver's license?

[superjames1992]

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What's a driver's license?

Yeah, but I have heard (I'm not saying this is true) that, unlike a drivers license, the government would use this ID card to do bad things. For example, if you did not agree with the government, they could take away your right for health care. Now, that is control.

Again, I am NOT saying this would happen, but it is possible.

[p_rushing]

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Sorry, but that must be why people who can afford it go to their own doctor or go to the USA. I don't want the government telling me who my doctor is, when I can go to the doctor, or what I can go to for. I don't have a HMO plan because I don't need a general doctor telling me I need to go to a specialist if I knew something was wrong and could have gone there first.

[SPTO]

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Sorry, but that must be why people who can afford it go to their own doctor or go to the USA. I don't want the government telling me who my doctor is, when I can go to the doctor, or what I can go to for. I don't have a HMO plan because I don't need a general doctor telling me I need to go to a specialist if I knew something was wrong and could have gone there first.

Wow misconception city.

The government has never told me once who to go to. In fact I've only had 2 GP doctor in my life. One my pediatrician who was the head doctor delivering me and the other family doctor who was recommended by my pediatrician who i've been seeing for over 15 years now.

As for having a serious health issue it's always discussed by my doctor and I and if I need a specialist we consult on that and the process is simple.

Some of you people south of the border think Universal Health Care is Big Brother when really it isn't like that. As for people who are rich enough that go to the States. Yes that happens but mainly because of waiting time/quees which is understandable. In general though, waiting times aren't THAT bad compared to people in the US without HMOs or other health/insurance plans.

[skitch]

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Yes, buts its not like we knew at the time. All we were told is a man with a gun was seen on campus, they didn't think he was still around and canceled the lockdown.

Oh no, I wasn't putting down the actions taken or anything.. you HAVE to play it safe, man. I was just making sure you knew.. as well as informing the rest of OS.

Very glad to see nobody was hurt, hoax or not. I have a ton of friends at ASU.

[thmst30]

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Oh no, I wasn't putting down the actions taken or anything.. you HAVE to play it safe, man. I was just making sure you knew.. as well as informing the rest of OS.

Very glad to see nobody was hurt, hoax or not. I have a ton of friends at ASU.

All good.