If You Are Out With A Female; And She Asks You To

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im all for full equality but its not like it can actually happen. no matter how hard you try there are going to be things that only women or men can do, and they will do it. but if we are pushing for equality, or more importantly women are pushing for equality, lets not act like women don't have advantages as well as men.

So to help do your part to progress we now know that not only will you not hold a purse for "your girl", but your mother and grandmother know not to ask you either?

[realtalktruth]

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Once they save your life on the titanic? So you want women to save you nearly one hundred years ago? Yes, I am sure there were no women who tried to save their husbands from the icy waters. And what if there was a substantial amount of women who did that, but they were the ones who didn't survive? And above all that, women and children are saved first in disasters for a good reason, I'm not saying one life is more valuable than another, but in terms of survival and biology, women and children come first. While it is our cultural ideal (or at least a popular ideal here) that the man sticks around and help raise the family, biologically, after the girl is pregnant, men aren't as necessary anymore.

im just going to ignore that first part because its obvious im talking ideas and not literally saving me from the titanic. but other than that, all i see is a sexist mindset. thats exactly what you are saying, that mens lives aren't that important compared to women. after the girl is pregnant the women is not necessary as well as long as the child has someone to take care of them then it does not matter.

[Beantown]

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LOL And that is what I am promoting. We need to undo this sissy-fication that this current world has been drilling into our minds.

Maybe it's just me, and I doubt it is, but I fail to see how you're promoting that.

[jerseyboi2284]

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Thats ALL I am trying to promote. Hell women are allowed to have their "Feminist" movements but we as men NEVER do anything to uplift each other.

I don't know if many of you notice how this society caters to the woman and basically ATTEMPTS to minimize the power/influence of the man. Especially in the black community. But that is a whole different topic.

But thanks for understanding man. I am not promoting disrespect; sorry if it came off as that. But gender roles/behaviors DO EXIST; even though there is a lot of "funny" stuff going on in 2998 (:ifyouknowwhatimtalkinabout)

I don't know what "society" you live in but everywhere I go and anything I see its extremely hard for a woman to get started doing anything, from business, to sports, list anything a male and a female can do generally and the men to women ratio will be a hearty favor to men. So society attempting to break down that wall is wrong? Ahh..I've spent too much time here to each his own....good luck on your campaign to keep women in their place. Keep hope alive!!

[jerseyboi2284]

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Maybe I'm just a pessimist, but I think that human society will always have oppression, the only thing that may change is who and by how much, but it will always be there.

QFT

[davin]

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im just going to ignore that first part because its obvious im talking ideas and not literally saving me from the titanic. but other than that, all i see is a sexist mindset. thats exactly what you are saying, that mens lives aren't that important compared to women. after the girl is pregnant the women is not necessary as well as long as the child has someone to take care of them then it does not matter.

Yet the "advantages" that women have seem to lend themselves to raising a child. A few of which are the ability to more accurately discern colors and scents, primarily thought (and if you disagree with this, you are disagreeing with most of academia who have spent their entire lives researching this, many through completely scientific means) to help make sure that the food they are feeding their child is not spoiled, or as a means to tell if they are sick or not. Add into the fact that children who are breast fed gain an enormous amount of strength in their immune system apart from other things, and I just do not see how an average man could do a better job raising an infant than the average woman if we are going strictly from a biological perspective.

[realtalktruth]

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So to help do your part to progress we now know that not only will you not hold a purse for "your girl", but your mother and grandmother know not to ask you either?

holding a purse is the same as women's clothing as they were designed for women and they are women's belongings. nothing to do with equality and more-so one of those women and men cannot be equal in that department types of things considering it was made directly for women. my reasoning was more on how i feel about holding a purse, why would you trust anyone with your most precious accessories, and "hold your own stuff i ain't ya maid".

even though we preach equality there are bound to be somethings that your opinion matters more on.

[DC]

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There is a difference between being polite/respectful and just doing too much. Yes one would say, "If that is my girl I should go the extra mile for her."

But why do you feel carrying HER bags is the "right" thing to do? The media promotes this behavior. Teenage TV shows; young boy carry the books for the girl; rich couple, wife and husband goes to Beverly Hills and she shops till she drops and he just gives her the credit card and carries her bags for get.

We have been conditioned to believe this is the RIGHT way to act. When in fact it does nothing but put the man in a powerless situation. Even though you might not want to admit it, it DOES in fact put the male in a submissive state.

The girl can carry her OWN bags of the CLOTHES she bought with her OWN money. That isn't my job. It doesn't mean I love her ANY LESS (if that is my girl) if I don't carry it for her. It doesn't show ANY ounce of disrespect if I don't carry those bags for her.

But again it all boils down to it being a test of power and how much she can get away with. You can choose to discredit it being "that serious" but I am just telling you how it works

[DC]

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From another board. In response to me mentioning that our society promotes simpish behavior

-"Buy You A Drank"
-"In Love With A Stripper"
-Maury being a Save A Ho
-Dr Phil being a nutless automaton
-dudes having their GFs talk to them any type of way

i'd say so...with the whole gender feminism movement, i'd agree. there's a difference between chivalry to women who respect themselves and deserve it...and just being a simp and respect women simpy because they're women. if someone doesnt respect themselves, they dont regardless of gender

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I could care less if its my girl, mom, brother, or whoever, but if they're carrying something, of course I'm going to ask them if they need any help. I think a lot of guys in this thread would do the same. Its called being nice and courteous and if people are willing to go that extra mile for that person(s) that they care about most, I'm not going to chastise them for doing so or ask them why they're doing it.

I'm not really sure what the whole motive was for this question/thread, but it doesn't appear to be going over well.

[bgeno]

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There is a difference between being polite/respectful and just doing too much. Yes one would say, "If that is my girl I should go the extra mile for her."

But why do you feel carrying HER bags is the "right" thing to do? The media promotes this behavior. Teenage TV shows; young boy carry the books for the girl; rich couple, wife and husband goes to Beverly Hills and she shops till she drops and he just gives her the credit card and carries her bags for get.

We have been conditioned to believe this is the RIGHT way to act. When in fact it does nothing but put the man in a powerless situation. Even though you might not want to admit it, it DOES in fact put the male in a submissive state.

The girl can carry her OWN bags of the CLOTHES she bought with her OWN money. That isn't my job. It doesn't mean I love her ANY LESS (if that is my girl) if I don't carry it for her. It doesn't show ANY ounce of disrespect if I don't carry those bags for her.

But again it all boils down to it being a test of power and how much she can get away with. You can choose to discredit it being "that serious" but I am just telling you how it works

BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING NICE TO DO. Like I said, I'd expect the girl to do the same for me. Hell, I'd hold my buddy's hat or something if he needed to try something on whatever... it doesn't matter if it's a girl or a guy. It's just doing something SIMPLE like that to show a little generosity.

[realtalktruth]

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Yet the "advantages" that women have seem to lend themselves to raising a child. A few of which are the ability to more accurately discern colors and scents, primarily thought (and if you disagree with this, you are disagreeing with most of academia who have spent their entire lives researching this, many through completely scientific means) to help make sure that the food they are feeding their child is not spoiled, or as a means to tell if they are sick or not. Add into the fact that children who are breast fed gain an enormous amount of strength in their immune system apart from other things, and I just do not see how an average man could do a better job raising an infant than the average woman if we are going strictly from a biological perspective.

yet all this has nothing to do with whether or not a man or woman is not necessarily needed when a baby is born. so the average woman can take better care of the child, does that mean that the average guy can't? you will also have the average man and woman who can't take care of a child, i guess they are not needed as well. have a robot take care of the child who can develop them at 100% capacity and leave to go make more kids.

[bgeno]

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Wow, Fresh... we thought basically alike at the same time.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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The Maury and Dr. Phil thing is a little off base. Of course they're going to play-up the helping women specials since women are their main audience and target market.

[davin]

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There is a difference between being polite/respectful and just doing too much. Yes one would say, "If that is my girl I should go the extra mile for her."

But why do you feel carrying HER bags is the "right" thing to do? The media promotes this behavior. Teenage TV shows; young boy carry the books for the girl; rich couple, wife and husband goes to Beverly Hills and she shops till she drops and he just gives her the credit card and carries her bags for get.

We have been conditioned to believe this is the RIGHT way to act. When in fact it does nothing but put the man in a powerless situation. Even though you might not want to admit it, it DOES in fact put the male in a submissive state.

The girl can carry her OWN bags of the CLOTHES she bought with her OWN money. That isn't my job. It doesn't mean I love her ANY LESS (if that is my girl) if I don't carry it for her. It doesn't show ANY ounce of disrespect if I don't carry those bags for her.

But again it all boils down to it being a test of power and how much she can get away with. You can choose to discredit it being "that serious" but I am just telling you how it works

I don't really think every situation is really a dynamic struggle for power. While I can see how you think that if a man is holding a girlfriend's shopping bag, it means he is inferior. I can see a little of that relationship with what you are saying. I am not saying I agree, but I can see how you get there. However, to me at least, sometimes you have to look at a summation of actions rather than just the individual. Maybe you holding her bags along with other things really made a mark on her, so for your birthday, because she feels you've been so nice, she goes out and gets you sports tickets to your favorite team. Now you may see that as, to put it roughly (I just got done studying for an archaeology exam, along with watching the NC game), you may see that as a "master"'s reward to a "submissive" (again, not really the exact terms I am shooting for, but I am tired).

Maybe it is just my relationship, and you have not had the similar experience, but my girlfriend has paid for dinners, movies, tickets to cedar point, she's held my backpack when I messed up my shoulder, bought me gifts for no real reason. I do things for her too. I don't see relationships as a power struggle, I see them more as what they are. Yes, some moments it does go down to there are two choices, and you both feel the opposite, and somebody picks, and you both do it, even though one person "lost". Over the course of my relationship, I think it has been equal, leaning on her having to sacrifice more, especially lately.