Kid Rock....

[Adam Dayton]

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Great song at a pool side BBQ with a few brews...

Good song but that doesn't mean it is as respectable song. I could add my 20 seconds of my music into a 4 minute Strawberry Fields Forever and it could be a great song. It doesn't mean what I am doing is worthy of respect. It just doesn't sit right with me that he's raking in so much money doing essentially what mash up dj's do on a nightly basis.

[jmood88]

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This thread is about Kid Rock. Fresh Tendrils talked about Kid Rock copying a song.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Most rap songs barely have the original sample recognizable unless its Sean Combs or Will Smith.

Kid Rock is just using the Zevon and Skynyrd samples to tap into that already established classic rock niche and gain sales off the coattails of those two far superior artists without any innovation or originality on his part. Hell, he even rips Night Moves on the song.

Kid Rock is just a coattail rider. He did the whole rap-rock thing when the Beastie Boys started getting fame and now he's doing the whole classic-rock cred. thing just because he thinks he's "in" since Hank Jr. likes him. Hank Jr. is an embarrassment, IMO.

[Adam Dayton]

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This thread is about Kid Rock. Fresh Tendrils talked about Kid Rock copying a song.

And you asked me a question. The thing about threads is that often they contain inner dialogue that can deviate from the original topic question. Threads take on a life of their own, sort of like the art of conversation. You asked me if I knew what sampling in rap is. Kid rock is not rapping in this song (and is no longer considered a rapper), therefore your question did not follow the standards you are trying to hold me to.

[jmood88]

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And you asked me a question. The thing about threads is that often they contain inner dialogue that can deviate from the original topic question. Threads take on a life of their own, sort of like the art of conversation. You asked me if I knew what sampling in rap is. Kid rock is not rapping in this song (and is no longer considered a rapper), therefore your question did not follow the standards you are trying to hold me to.

You just asked me who said anything about Kid Rock.

[Adam Dayton]

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You just asked me who said anything about Kid Rock.

.....because I was answering the original question you posed to me, which coincidently had nothing to do with kid rock.

[Brandon13]

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.....because I was answering the original question you posed to me, which coincidently had nothing to do with kid rock.

You answered the question then threw in a little personal opinion that I'm sure you knew would not sit well will a few people.

[Adam Dayton]

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You answered the question then threw in a little personal opinion that I'm sure you knew would not sit well will a few people.

And, how does that dispute any of the points I have made? This is a new statement that has nothing to do with my prior conversation (so quoting me makes it seem like you are replying or disproving directly to something I said), so I will answer it as such. I brought up rap music because sampling obviously occurs the most through the medium of rap music. You are right I added my own opinion and statements, but did not do so to spite any members here. I have no personal vendettas. Jmood doubted my understanding of sampling in a rude tone and I answered him in a similar way (with the Chayn Hang Low statement simply because the song is so ridiculous). Everything else was not rude.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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C'mon Adam, I think most people, especially hip hop fans, know that song is horrible. Apart from that, I've already replied to your previous comment but I'll state again that most samples used in hip-hop are barely recognizable in the songs they are used. Kid Rock uses the most famous chords and parts of the three songs he "samples" to gain capital. Kid Rock has no innovation, while hip-hop producers actually play around with their beats.

[Adam Dayton]

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C'mon Adam, I think most people, especially hip hop fans, know that song is horrible. Apart from that, I've already replied to your previous comment but I'll state again that most samples used in hip-hop are barely recognizable in the songs they are used. Kid Rock uses the most famous chords and parts of the three songs he "samples" to gain capital. Kid Rock has no innovation, while hip-hop producers actually play around with their beats.

Obviously their are different levels of sampling. It can be used during the refrain, spaced throughout the entire piece of music, or something like Kid Rock's case, which is among the most blatant forms of sampling. I am against the concept to begin with. Whether its a simple riff, full song, or even an almost unrecognizable melody (which is something that commercials due as well to avoid paying royalty fees) Changing a few notes here and there does not make it excusable because it is not hard to take a successful chord progression and change a few things while keeping the integrity of the piece intact. Rap music is the strongest offender in my eyes due to the fact that it takes a minimal amount of effort to find catchy music and simply "rap" over it. The melody, harmony, etc (aka the soul of the song and the hardest part to create) is not produced by the original artist, and when you don't have to sing (instead just talk fast) aka formulate your own music, it makes it that much easier

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Perhaps its due to most of the hip hop I like not sampling a lot of beats, but in my experience I haven't come across a great number of hip hop songs that use a sample as the basis of the beat. In most cases, I see that the producer uses the sample as a compliment to an original beat he has created. I honestly do no have any problems with sampling as long as it isn't blatant and contains some form of innovative use within the song, which Kid Rock definitely does not fit into.

[Adam Dayton]

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Perhaps its due to most of the hip hop I like not sampling a lot of beats, but in my experience I haven't come across a great number of hip hop songs that use a sample as the basis of the beat. In most cases, I see that the producer uses the sample as a compliment to an original beat he has created. I honestly do no have any problems with sampling as long as it isn't blatant and contains some form of innovative use within the song, which Kid Rock definitely does not fit into.

Fair enough. Maybe I am focusing too much on mainstream rap, as I will be the first to admit I am not an expert in this genre. I agree that all I really stating is I cannot stand a lack of innovation. I think we are both in agreement that Kid Rock is one of the biggest culprits when it comes to this. What was that Metallica song he used for American Badass? Btw, I think its important to note that "sampling" has been around for a long time. Check this out, I posted it in another thread. Listen to Bobby Parker's "Watch Your Step" and than Led Zepplin's classic "Moby Dick." Now this is what I call a lack of innovation-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvtabNAb_wE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSHxk9wfiDQ

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Sad But True was the sample.

[Adam Dayton]

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Sad But True was the sample.

k thanks. I'm gonna listen to it now.

[ndeezlo]

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Are covers also terrible songs? I don't really see how much difference there is between this song and a cover song.