The Dark Knight Rises

[Blzer]

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Just scanning the dialogue I can tell they cut out a few lines from Bane's introduction. I haven't gone past that, though.

Yep. Don't expect many changes through and through, though.

But again, I preferred the prologue how it was compared to what this and the novel have.

[Sports fanantic]

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Finally got to see it yesterday. It was a great movie IMO!

[Blzer]

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I finished the novel a couple of hours ago. It's actually funny, because pretty much everything I read after just posting about it recently had a lot of differences in it compared to the movie. There were a lot of changes from the final battle outside of City Hall, on. Not that the end results were any different, but the way things were approached definitely weren't all that familiar.

In all, the theatrical cut was much better IMO.

If anyone has any questions on the novel, fire away.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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What was different in the end?

[Blzer]

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What was different in the end?

As far as everything I mentioned?

You'll have to help me with some of it, because there are times when I can't remember if something was actually in the film or not. I'll make note of some things anyway, just in case.

Starting with the fight, it begins by one of the tumblers actually firing into the cops, killing several of them, leaving blood splattered everywhere, etc. When Batman comes in and intervenes, in the novel he seems to obliterate a tumbler, instead of disabling its weaponry with an EMP (I assume that's what he did in the film).

It also notes that we see Batman come out from the cockpit in the far back, and come towards Bane as the fight ensues. During the fight, Batman and Bane go at it, and are interrupted by a tumbler coming between them (probably the shot in the trailers where the tumbler fires into the building). Bane notices Selina perched on the top floor of a building, watching the fight ensue (I don't think we ever see her in the fight until she kills Bane). Batman doesn't start wearing out Bane's mask until they are inside the building.

There are a bunch of small things here and there, like lines that were added/missing (most of it in the novel is verbatim from the film, so it's obvious when they're absent). After Batman asks where the trigger is (only says it once in the novel instead of half a dozen times like in the film haha), after Bane says he never escaped, he then says: "Ra's al Ghul rescued me. That is why I must fulfill his plan. That is why I must avenge his murder." There are a lot of things like this sprinkled throughout (no "Is he back?" to Blake from the kid, for instance).

Gordon and the truck worked a little differently, as well. I don't even know if I can explain the differences, but one thing about the "bomb" was that it would continually grow brighter as it got closer to blowing up, and it emitted off a lot of heat. I guess one of the bigger differences is that Gordon puts the jammer on the bomb in the film, whereas he was simply "close enough" to jam it when he was on the truck in the novel. He didn't notice he was on the right truck until after Talia pressed the trigger, and he only noticed it because he noticed a brightening object inside the trailer.

When Miranda reveals herself as Talia and talks about Bane, they describe one flashback as a similar BB moment, when Bruce is training in the mountains, on the upright poles as LoS members tried to knock him off with wooden staffs (but instead is with Bane). After she presses the trigger button and nothing happens, a guy radios in saying the truck is under attack, and Batman comes back with a little quibble based on her words.

Foley gets run over by the tumbler that Talia goes into as she forms a convoy with the other tumblers and the truck. Again, something not shown in the film. Even if it was implied, he looked very clean as a corpse in the film... not all roadkill-like.

When Blake is trying to get the kids across the bridge and talks to the trooper, they have a longer dialogue where the trooper is saying that Batman is dead and Blake says that he's "battling it out with Bane." The trooper never says to fire at Blake's feet before they actually do.

Then I don't know if I read it wrong, but I think the chase with the Bat and Selina on the Bat-cycle was completely different. First of all, Talia details out loud that she understands they're trying to redirect her into the reactor chamber. Secondly, not only did Batman not ever fly through the streets as he had homing missiles locked on him, but Selina was the one who caused the truck to collapse onto the below expressway, not Batman. She destroys the last tumbler, which flies in front of the truck, blah blah blah.

Right before Talia dies (which she's apparently much more bloodied in the novel), they are shouting about tying the core to a cable and such. Then Blake and Father Reilly have a bit to say before the Bat blasts through the building, where Reilly says, "Blake, they need to make their peace." Blake responds with: "They're children, they have no peace to make." I don't recall that being in the film. There also isn't a cut to the NMCC where they confirm the bomb went off over the water.

In the very end, when Alfred is in Florence, he makes his order in French. I think we kind of see this in the film, but it's drowned out from the music for effect during the montage. Also, the "end shot" has Blake rising up from his crouch when the bats were flying around him. I think they swarm enough so that the screen eventually goes black from bats.



There were a lot of other differences here and there, but as far as differences go, most of them are in the end (and the scene before with Batman and Blake, which I didn't run through either).



As far as the actual ending, the novel seems to imply that:

- Bruce assuredly lived, and somehow left the Bat before it blew up the building and flew through it.

- Blake is supposed to be the next Batman.



The novel is better and worse in a lot of ways. It helps describe people's mental states and thoughts in certain moments that Nolan doesn't give people a chance of capturing in the film, but at the same time, you actually "hear" what they're thinking a lot as well, and those thoughts are normally better left in people's minds, not on paper. Most of them seemed very childish, and really brought down the tone of the novel itself.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I'm going to spoiler my reply to keep the wall of text from obliterating people's screens.

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It also notes that we see Batman come out from the cockpit in the far back, and come towards Bane as the fight ensues. During the fight, Batman and Bane go at it, and are interrupted by a tumbler coming between them (probably the shot in the trailers where the tumbler fires into the building). Bane notices Selina perched on the top floor of a building, watching the fight ensue (I don't think we ever see her in the fight until she kills Bane). Batman doesn't start wearing out Bane's mask until they are inside the building.

I like this. It wouldn't cheapen him so much and his death wouldn't be nearly as anti-climatic if that was in the movie. Of course she's coming back. At least build up her level of involvement at the end. Bursting through the front door and no-scoping Bane was almost as bad as Talia's death (which I guess you can't blame Marion for not having anything to work with). Its melodramatic to "tease" the audience with Selina starring off into that open tunnel.

After Batman asks where the trigger is (only says it once in the novel instead of half a dozen times like in the film haha), after Bane says he never escaped, he then says: "Ra's al Ghul rescued me. That is why I must fulfill his plan. That is why I must avenge his murder." There are a lot of things like this sprinkled throughout (no "Is he back?" to Blake from the kid, for instance).

The second and especially third acts needed more dialogue from Bane. The first act really casts him as a pure force that shadows everything in his presence. Once the bomb is activated its like Bane just goes into hibernation mode. Initially you think you're learning about Bane in the prison, but the reveal at the end pulls that rug out from you and undercuts his character. I think more lines to strengthen the tie to Ra's and the LoS would have benefited everybody involved. Instead, Nolan lets all of the burden fall on trying to get the audience to buy into Talia and Bane's friendship from a single flashback. The twist comes off as weak because there's no true emotional attachment involved.

Foley gets run over by the tumbler that Talia goes into as she forms a convoy with the other tumblers and the truck. Again, something not shown in the film. Even if it was implied, he looked very clean as a corpse in the film... not all roadkill-like.

They actually filmed this (it may be in the shooting script, but I haven't read that far yet), but I'm not sure why it wasn't included. In the movie she gives the order to "kill them all" and the tumbler mows down all the police officers, Foley included, with its machine gun.

Then I don't know if I read it wrong, but I think the chase with the Bat and Selina on the Bat-cycle was completely different. First of all, Talia details out loud that she understands they're trying to redirect her into the reactor chamber. Secondly, not only did Batman not ever fly through the streets as he had homing missiles locked on him, but Selina was the one who caused the truck to collapse onto the below expressway, not Batman. She destroys the last tumbler, which flies in front of the truck, blah blah blah.

In the film she knew that, too, which is why she floods the chamber. She may not have said "hey, they're forcing us back to the chamber" but it was pretty clear they knew what they were doing.

[Blzer]

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I like this. It wouldn't cheapen him so much and his death wouldn't be nearly as anti-climatic if that was in the movie. Of course she's coming back. At least build up her level of involvement at the end. Bursting through the front door and no-scoping Bane was almost as bad as Talia's death (which I guess you can't blame Marion for not having anything to work with). Its melodramatic to "tease" the audience with Selina starring off into that open tunnel.



The second and especially third acts needed more dialogue from Bane. The first act really casts him as a pure force that shadows everything in his presence. Once the bomb is activated its like Bane just goes into hibernation mode. Initially you think you're learning about Bane in the prison, but the reveal at the end pulls that rug out from you and undercuts his character. I think more lines to strengthen the tie to Ra's and the LoS would have benefited everybody involved. Instead, Nolan lets all of the burden fall on trying to get the audience to buy into Talia and Bane's friendship from a single flashback. The twist comes off as weak because there's no true emotional attachment involved.




They actually filmed this (it may be in the shooting script, but I haven't read that far yet), but I'm not sure why it wasn't included. In the movie she gives the order to "kill them all" and the tumbler mows down all the police officers, Foley included, with its machine gun.



In the film she knew that, too, which is why she floods the chamber. She may not have said "hey, they're forcing us back to the chamber" but it was pretty clear they knew what they were doing.

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I don't know how you wanted the "noticing Selina" shot to appear, but the novel made it seem like Bane thought: Good, now she can watch this caped crusader break a second time. Again, don't know if that's what you wanted out of the shot, but that's how the novel makes it out to be.

As for Bane and the dialogue, I would agree, but this dialogue doesn't really fit here in the movie. At this point, it seems like Bane can barely even speak from the pain, so all he can say is "I broke you" and "I never escaped," etc.

And I got that Talia knows about flooding the chamber, but I'm just adding in the dialogue so it makes it obvious to the audience that she knows.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I don't know how you wanted the "noticing Selina" shot to appear, but the novel made it seem like Bane thought: Good, now she can watch this caped crusader break a second time. Again, don't know if that's what you wanted out of the shot, but that's how the novel makes it out to be.

As for Bane and the dialogue, I would agree, but this dialogue doesn't really fit here in the movie. At this point, it seems like Bane can barely even speak from the pain, so all he can say is "I broke you" and "I never escaped," etc.

And I got that Talia knows about flooding the chamber, but I'm just adding in the dialogue so it makes it obvious to the audience that she knows.

I think some kind of establishing shot that sweeps behind Bane and shows Selina perched on an adjacent building would have been enough.

[CMH]

Watched this last night and will need to watch again. I don't know how you people do it but I'm too old for these late showings (9:45 PM...and you crazies go at midnight?)

So to be frank, I wasn't at optimal viewing effectiveness. Definitely had a lot go over my head because I was simply too tired. The third act definitely kept me on edge enough to remain focused with eyes wide open.

From what I was able to really pay attention to, I enjoyed the film. There are little things (like seriously, who shoots at a truck that is holding a bomb?) but the entire story outweighs the things done simply to make the action appealing.

If you know me story matters most. I think they got the story right and any sacrifices for flash entertainment I'll forgive.

Bane really made this a different film. Felt like he made Batman become a physical fighter rather than a smart one. But having him face a villain that is in many ways the mirror of Batman (brains and brawn) really gave this film a gritty feeling compared to the others.

I can't choose a favorite. I think all three individually provide something different and challenging for Batman, but together work so beautifully.

The ending with Blake is just about the best you can do. I'm sure there will be people expecting that Nolan did it to open that possible franchise, but I think it's mostly for story. There will always be villains in Gotham. You can't have Batman retire without someone filling the void. Blake gives us confidence that Gotham will be safe.

And as Gordon mentioned (even after realizing Batman is Bruce Wayne) Batman saved the city. It will be Batman that will save the city again and again. It doesn't matter who is wearing the mask.


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[DickDalewood]

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Saw it again this morning and loved it every bit as much. And, as I've said several times, some people have thought wayyyyyyyyyy too hard about the ending, and are trying to make it much deeper than it is.

Everything is VERY clearly laid out and wrapped up.

Great movie, great trilogy.

[dickey1331]

Saw it last Night and I loved it. Great ending to wrap it all up and I got emotional a few times throughout the movie.

One thing I didn't like was Banes voice. It was hard to understand him.


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[DueceDiggla]

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Was Bane's voice Sean Connery?

[CMH]

Was Bane's voice Sean Connery?

No.


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[Blzer]

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Here's some B-roll of the Catwoman stunt person wrecking that IMAX camera:

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I guess I didn't mention this as one of the things that was in the novel that wasn't in the movie, probably because the one line of text flew right by me:

"I need you on the ground, me in the air," he said. "We have to force that convoy east to the entrance to the reactor."

She nodded. There was no time for banter now, only action. She spun the Bat-Pod around and went racing down the front steps of City Hall.

Batman hurried after her.

One reason they probably didn't include it is because this sequence isn't a part of right after Selina kills Bane, which is how it takes place in the movie. In the novel, Selina kills Bane, banters about using guns, then they cut to a scene with blake on the bridge, then the scene with Talia jumping onto the truck. If this is exactly how it happens in the film, I don't remember that.

[kingkilla56]

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Finally saw the movie.

I am disappointed but it was a good action film for what its worth. And I actually liked the fairy tale ending; its kinda corny but hey I still loved it.


And really with all the Bane love? I thought his character was extremely forced in terms of them showing us he was a bad ***, and his character is pretty vapid. He is a glorified yes man.

I also didnt like the overall theme or rather motives of the villains. They were pretty lame when you strip it down to its core.