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"It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer -
IT'S GREAT TO BEA MIAMI HURRICANE"At exactly which point do we start to realizeThat a life without knowledge is death in disguise?"Comment
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Assuming this is what's going on, Ben has been the leader for at least a decade. He knows of Jacob. He receives orders from him. Ben also hangs out with Alpert. Alpert spoke to Sawyer in 1974.
Ben likely already knew that Oceanic Flight 815 was going to crash. And he probably knew when it was going to happen. He always seemed so passe about it. "Two days after I found out I had a fatal tumor on my spine, a spinal surgeon fell out of the sky. And if that's not proof of God, I don't know what is."
Yet, Ben already had a surgeon.
JACK: I'd be more impressed with you people if you had a good surgeon.
BEN: We had an excellent surgeon, Jack. His name was Ethan.
Contradictions make me believe that Ben already had a hidden agenda. Consider this: If Ben knew that he had a fatal tumor, why didn't he just have Ethan perform the surgery? And why send the one man that you needed to save your life, to look for people on the plane?
Unless, he knew Jack was the one he wanted to perform the surgery and he needed Ethan out of the way."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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BINGO
also remember what one of the others said to Juliet
"you look just like her" referring to why Ben likes Juliet so much, because he has seen her/interacted with her in the past...develops a crush/love for her
which would explain her being recruited to the island, adult Ben trying to act on this
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I mean I honestly try, I feel like I try in vain
start doin a lil different **** always just stay the same
theres a good in every bad when theres loss I know theres gain
I appreciate the love but I'm living with all the pain
Joe BuddenComment
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Bout time S5 had a good episode, I was starting to worry!"You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier
"Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren BuffetComment
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That may be the case.... I was just throwing that out there to support the whole Ben knowing exactly who these people are and what is going to happen because he has already met these people before in 1977... if I were to guess the next few weeks will probably dive in to this more.
360 and ps3 handles - ipitythafool25
I mean I honestly try, I feel like I try in vain
start doin a lil different **** always just stay the same
theres a good in every bad when theres loss I know theres gain
I appreciate the love but I'm living with all the pain
Joe BuddenComment
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Did anyone catch when young Ben was talking to Sayid about his glasses? Sayid asked if it was his dad who did that to his glasses and young Ben said yes and then he said he hated him. Why would he be speaking in the past tense about his father? It isn't until his grown up that he kills his father.Comment
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I missed that. But, good catch. Not sure what that could mean unless Ben killed him. Sayid's presence could have altered history and Ben's conflict with his dad (when Ben goes to hand Sayid the sandwich) could have driven Ben to act violently against his dad prior to the Purge."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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I may be wrong.. but was it Ben's dad that was in the house the flaming van ran into... I thought maybe it was him that Kate and Jack helped pull out the window.. if that's the case maybe young Ben assumed his father was gonna die/already dead
360 and ps3 handles - ipitythafool25
I mean I honestly try, I feel like I try in vain
start doin a lil different **** always just stay the same
theres a good in every bad when theres loss I know theres gain
I appreciate the love but I'm living with all the pain
Joe BuddenComment
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"It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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I don't think there's any way that he's dead, they have been pretty firm in the "whatever happened,happened" way of telling the story, the only way I can see any kind of change would come from desmond doing something because he seems to be the time anomaly
360 and ps3 handles - ipitythafool25
I mean I honestly try, I feel like I try in vain
start doin a lil different **** always just stay the same
theres a good in every bad when theres loss I know theres gain
I appreciate the love but I'm living with all the pain
Joe BuddenComment
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The trailer editor is a cunning little guy, though. ABC made it seem like Juliet was going to threaten Kate about Sawyer.
Juliet says: "I didn't know how to tell you without making it seem I was saying to stay away from him."
Trailer Juliet says: "Stay away from him."
Dun dun! Suspense! Clever."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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"It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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