Soprano Actor Beats The Rap

[JayBee74]

Remember the guy that Tony & Pu$$y shot up in a funhouse, after giving him a Diet Fanta soda? Well he has been cleared of murder charges.
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[yamabushi]

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If the partner in crime was found guilty he should have been too. Ridiculous in the extreme.

[jmood88]

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I wonder if anyone else would've gotten off so easy if they killed someone while breaking into a house looking for drugs.

Edit: For some reason I thought that he had shot the police officer.

[Cebby]

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I've always felt that the "you're guilty because someone else did something and you were with them" ridiculous.

[Stumbleweed]

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I'm not sure if being a bit part actor on The Sopranos is enough to get your sentence reduced. It seems like this guy would've still gotten 3 years or so if he had done a similar act and not been shot up by James Gandolfini at one point on TV -- partly because I tend to agree with Cebby that the whole "guilt by association" thing doesn't sit right with me...

They obviously had a shared goal of robbing someone for drugs/drug money, but the other guy was the one who shot the cop -- it would be nearly impossible to prove that this dude planned to go in and kill someone, which is what you would need to get him for murder also, given that he didn't actually kill anyone. If they had planned to go in, kill someone, take their money, etc. and then this happened, they would both be responsible. I obviously don't know the facts of the case, but it would seem that they probably didn't have that kind of evidence... these were just two druggies hoping for a score and the whole thing went tits-up.

[yamabushi]

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I've always felt that the "you're guilty because someone else did something and you were with them" ridiculous.

Its a little more then just he was 'with them'. They were both committing armed robbery.

[Cebby]

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Its a little more then just he was 'with them'. They were both committing armed robbery.

Nobody was committing armed robbery. You don't even know what armed robbery is.

[yamabushi]

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Nobody was committing armed robbery. You don't even know what armed robbery is.

Hmm.... they were armed and robbing someone.

Unless your speaking about legal terms, which I wasnt, and dont care.

[SportsTop]

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I'm not sure if being a bit part actor on The Sopranos is enough to get your sentence reduced. It seems like this guy would've still gotten 3 years or so if he had done a similar act and not been shot up by James Gandolfini at one point on TV -- partly because I tend to agree with Cebby that the whole "guilt by association" thing doesn't sit right with me...

I always remembered him better from A Bronx Tale.

Nevertheless, it's a sad crime and he had a believable story about the non-break in.

I think that guilt by association (as it was coined in a previous post) is likely the right approach to take in the overwhelming majority of cases where it is warranted, but not 100% of the time.

[Cebby]

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Hmm.... they were armed and robbing someone.

So you do not know what armed robbery is. He was neither armed, nor robbing anyone, and he certainly was not committing armed robbery.

[Knight165]

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So you do not know what armed robbery is. He was neither armed, nor robbing anyone, and he certainly was not committing armed robbery.

His terminology may be off.....but you are WAY off if you don't think for a second that his intent was to rob someone.
He was burglarizing that home.....with a weapon(WHO CARES IF HE WAS THE ONE HOLDING IT OR NOT.....THE INTENT IS THE SAME IN THE ACT)..and if the owner was home...it would have been armed robbery.
I think that should be pretty obvious since his cohort murdered a man.
You may think it's "ridiculous" that you should also be held accountable for any cohorts actions during the perpetration of a crime...but thankfully lawmakers and MOST(except the losers on this and P.O. Tomishenko juries) people do not.
When you commit a crime with someone...you are acting in concert...you might as well be one person....your acts are just as devious.
Another P.O.S. gets off the hook.


M.K.
Knight165

[SportsTop]

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His terminology may be off.....but you are WAY off if you don't think for a second that his intent was to rob someone.
He was burglarizing that home.....with a weapon(WHO CARES IF HE WAS THE ONE HOLDING IT OR NOT.....THE INTENT IS THE SAME IN THE ACT)..and if the owner was home...it would have been armed robbery.
I think that should be pretty obvious since his cohort murdered a man.
You may think it's "ridiculous" that you should also be held accountable for any cohorts actions during the perpetration of a crime...but thankfully lawmakers and MOST(except the losers on this and P.O. Tomishenko juries) people do not.
When you commit a crime with someone...you are acting in concert...you might as well be one person....your acts are just as devious.
Another P.O.S. gets off the hook.


M.K.
Knight165

Knight: On the whole I agree with your overall post. However, in this case I'm going to guess that the defense introduced evidence supporting the fact that the "Soprano actor" did, in fact, have a prior relationship with the tenant of that apartment and some type of pre-existing agreement.

That's the only way he gets off on the charges he was accused of in my opinion.

[Cebby]

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His terminology may be off.....but you are WAY off if you don't think for a second that his intent was to rob someone.

If you're robbing someone, you don't go through the basement door at night, look through the basemen, and then leave.

You may think it's "ridiculous" that you should also be held accountable for any cohorts actions during the perpetration of a crime...but thankfully lawmakers and MOST(except the losers on this and P.O. Tomishenko juries) people do not.

It also leads to 16 year olds getting life sentences because some idiot friend kills someone.

When you commit a crime with someone...you are acting in concert...you might as well be one person....your acts are just as devious.

Somehow I don't think you apply this logic applies to all cops being corrupt, racist law breakers because one does something stupid do you?

The man was burglarizing. He was unarmed. Someone got shot. I know it's absolutely crazy, but I think the guy who fires shots should go to prison for murder, and the guy who did not fire shots should go to prison for burglary.

[Knight165]

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If you're robbing someone, you don't go through the basement door at night, look through the basemen, and then leave.



It also leads to 16 year olds getting life sentences because some idiot friend kills someone.



Somehow I don't think you apply this logic applies to all cops being corrupt, racist law breakers because one does something stupid do you?


The man was burglarizing. He was unarmed. Someone got shot. I know it's absolutely crazy, but I think the guy who fires shots should go to prison for murder, and the guy who did not fire shots should go to prison for burglary.

Well....they broke through the basement window to get in and this alerted P.O. Enchautegui who came out to investigate.
Upon coming upon the off duty officer...they simply shot him to death. Brancato was wearing gloves...the window was broken. He SAYS that he regularly visited the owner of the house to get drugs....but that doesn't mean he wasn't there to burglarize the house that night.
..and in both cases....I'm sorry, but you have to be responsible for your actions. In both cases.....nobody was sorry for anything until they got caught.....and that's how it usually is. If they would have gotten away with shooting at those officers without getting caught...they would have been laughing it up.

...and if the POLICE OFFICERS would have gotten together beforehand....and spoke about committing a crime beforehand or a group were together and didn't leave...or one committed a crime without any of the others attempting to stop him ....hell yes they would all be guilty of acting in concert in my book.

...and your last paragraph is your opinion. The law doesn't believe so nor do I. If you go to commit crime with someone who is carrying a weapon(whether you know it or not)...what one does...the other one might as well be doing. It's the same thing IMO. YOU put yourself in that position.
It's funny....but all you hear is screams about more accountability on one hand....and then on the other it's "look the other way".
Hypocrisy at it's best.

M.K.
Knight165

[ChubbyBanana]

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If you're robbing someone, you don't go through the basement door at night, look through the basemen, and then leave.

But you do if your INTENT to rob someone is. Maybe you go into the basement, and don't see anything you want to take. Your intention before breaking into the residence is to take something, then that is burglary.

The crime of breaking into and entering a building with the intention to commit a felony. The breaking and entering need not be by force, and the felony need not be theft. For instance, someone would be guilty of burglary if he entered a house through an unlocked door in order to commit a murder.