*** Big Brother: Season 11 ***

[Trevytrev11]

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BB had to come up with a way for a 7th voye or else it could have been a 3 to 3 tie if only 6 were to vote. Not to mention, that in the end American's vote didn't matter anyway because she won 5-2.

What are you talking about?
Americas vote didnt meen anything anyway, take away AV and it is still 4-2 Jordan.

I think he meant the cout de tat. At the point in the game when the power was announced, Jesse and others had complete control of the house. Whether you agree or disagree with the power and how it was handed out, the power instantly changed the odds in the house.


If they want to use this power again in the future, I'm all for it, but think that America should have less of an impact on it. Let America choose what the power will do (Take one person off the block, Take two people off the block, one time use of a power of veto at the holders discretion, etc.), but I think the house guests should have to have a competition to win it. There would be less of a mystery of who has it, but the other guests still wouldn't know what it does.

[Trevytrev11]

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Gnat's age lie had no effect on the game whatsoever.

Dude, a stray cat would've been a better winner than Jordan. Adorable as can be, but let's be real...she Rain Man'd to that 500K. If she was against better players, she would've had no shot. But, this was a lame *** final three and because of that, Jordan's odds went up big time. Good for her.

This season wasn't Big Brother...It was 'America's Favorite Sweethearts of the Dumb Kind'. Kevin confirmed how production wanted to things to go and they got what they wanted.

I agree. Her and Nat played a similar game as far as strategy (or lack of it). Both of them made alliances with people that were much bigger targets to the rest of the house and just kind of skated through until they were the only ones left.

The big difference, IMO, was just in their personalitiels. Natalie just isn't a very likeable person, especially if you weren't on her side. She has zero personality and sense of humor and would try and mouth off when she knew Jessie and others had her back.

Last night, she told Jordan that she was just like one of her girlfriends back home and all I could think that there was no way that Natalie hung out with anybody but guys.

Finally, how did everyone in the house not catch on she was over 18? She said that she was a big poker player and played and won all of the time at casino's. Even if she's talking about indian casino's, you have to be 18 and she couldn't have but less than a year of experience. Plus she was drinking, which I can't imagine CBS would allow a minor to drink on prime-time TV. And the engagement. Maybe they were obvious to me because we new the secret, but it seems like those things would have stuck out a little bit.

[Trevytrev11]

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I couldnt disagree more!
Every time a new juror moved into the juror house it is the first thing that the other jurors brought up. Lydia come out and said the reason she voted for Jordan was because Gnat lied about her age. How can you possibly say it had no effect?

I just don't see Natalies reason behind it. I don't think people thinking she was 18 made them think she was and more or less of a player in the game. If you're going to lie about something, make it something that will get people compassionate about you (I think a guy on the new Survivor is lying about being a Hurricane Katrina survivor from New Orleans). If I'm a guest in the house, I'm thinking no way am I going to let this little 18 year old win all of this money.

It just seems something weird to lie about. I guess she thought or hoped people wouldn't take her seriously as a threat because she was so young an innocent.

Sadly, as I think Jeff pointed out, whether she was 18 or 24, she acted like she was 12.

[bubbachuck]

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I just don't see Natalies reason behind it. I don't think people thinking she was 18 made them think she was and more or less of a player in the game. If you're going to lie about something, make it something that will get people compassionate about you (I think a guy on the new Survivor is lying about being a Hurricane Katrina survivor from New Orleans). If I'm a guest in the house, I'm thinking no way am I going to let this little 18 year old win all of this money.

It just seems something weird to lie about. I guess she thought or hoped people wouldn't take her seriously as a threat because she was so young an innocent.

Sadly, as I think Jeff pointed out, whether she was 18 or 24, she acted like she was 12.

I just think it is because she is not a very smart player. she did things that had no strategy to them. she just thought she was "playing the game" when really she was doing nothing. definitely the weakest finales yet!

[jeremym480]

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I think he meant the cout de tat. At the point in the game when the power was announced, Jesse and others had complete control of the house. Whether you agree or disagree with the power and how it was handed out, the power instantly changed the odds in the house.


If they want to use this power again in the future, I'm all for it, but think that America should have less of an impact on it. Let America choose what the power will do (Take one person off the block, Take two people off the block, one time use of a power of veto at the holders discretion, etc.), but I think the house guests should have to have a competition to win it. There would be less of a mystery of who has it, but the other guests still wouldn't know what it does.

Yeah, but don't they haven't they had some sort of Coup d'etat winner the past few seasons?? Things like that are part of the BB game, The players have to expect the unexpected and adapt to certain things in the game. Plus giving America some power is one of the reason's it should be appealing to watch. Because you have a say in somethings.

-Plus the Coup d'etat did excatly what it was supposed to do given its definition.

A coup d'état- is the sudden unconstitutional deposition of a legitimate government, usually by a small group of the existing state establishment—typically the military—to replace the deposed government with another, either civil or military. A coup d’état succeeds when the usurpers establish their legitimacy if the attacked government fail to thwart them, by allowing their (strategic, tactical, political) consolidation and then receiving the deposed government’s surrender; or the acquiescence of the populace and the non-participant military forces.

Sounds likes like what happened in the game to me.

Trevytrev11, other than that I agree with your last few post.

[jeremym480]

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I just think it is because she is not a very smart player. she did things that had no strategy to them. she just thought she was "playing the game" when really she was doing nothing. definitely the weakest finales yet!

Agreed. As soon as one of her allies was evicted she would just latch on to the next strongest person. There was nothing she did that really made her better than Jordan. People are giving her props about getting Jeff out but it was Kevin that got Jeff out, not Knat. So what else did she do??

Also, I do agree that it was a weak finale. However, I have to say this was a decent season, all together. I don't think there has ever been as season were I disliked so many people. Hell, who else was there to root for besides Jeff and Jordan??

Everyone else (maybe with the exception of Michelle and Casey) where either Witches or Tools, IMO.

[Trevytrev11]

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-Plus the Coup d'etat did excatly what it was supposed to do given its definition.


Sounds likes like what happened in the game to me.

Trevytrev11, other than that I agree with your last few post.

I don't disagree. I just guess I'd rather see them mix it up from season to season and maybe not give America so much power where a person doesn't have to have done anything in the game to all of a sudden hold all of the power.

**Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Jeff got it and used it when he did. I loved seeing Chima go off the deep end over it and there isn't anyone in the house I hated more than her at the time except maybe Natalie. I think it worked perfectly for them because of who I was and wasn't a fan of in the house.

The one thing it does do is force you to watch your actions towards others. Because it's out there, you never know how your actions and words towards others will come back and bite you.

[jeremym480]

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I don't disagree. I just guess I'd rather see them mix it up from season to season and maybe not give America so much power where a person doesn't have to have done anything in the game to all of a sudden hold all of the power.

**Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Jeff got it and used it when he did. I loved seeing Chima go off the deep end over it and there isn't anyone in the house I hated more than her at the time except maybe Natalie. I think it worked perfectly for them because of who I was and wasn't a fan of in the house.

The one thing it does do is force you to watch your actions towards others. Because it's out there, you never know how your actions and words towards others will come back and bite you.

Yeah, I'm glad things worked out the way they did with the secret power and I feel the same as you about a lot of things. Except you can add Lydia amongst the people I hated the most. Well, for the season it's hard to choose the "most hated". Chima, Lydia, Ronnie, Natalie, Russell and Jessie all got on my nerves pretty bad.

I'm hoping that next season they will do something different with the Coup de'tetat. Something were the winner doesn't have quite as much power anyway. But, I didn't want them to do something like bringing back a house guest that had already been voted off. I remember they did that one season and I hated it. I was worried that that was what Pandora's Box would unlock. Something new would definitely be welcomed though.

[LionsFanNJ]

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by all of a sudden coming up with a power given by a fan vote

The Coup de' Tat was not just come up with this year. Second time it was in the game.

[P2K]

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Well, one thing is for sure that should've been learned by future contestants watching this season.....care about your three A's: appearance, attitude and actions. How you will be perceived by "America" goes so much a long way.

[p_rushing]

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The Coup de' Tat was not just come up with this year. Second time it was in the game.

Yes but it shouldn't be given without competing for it. If they want to allow people to vote, then only allow those who pay for the online feeds. CBS has too much control on how people view them. CBS has found a loop hole in the "gaming" laws to allow them to have some control on the outcome.

[ZB9]

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Yes but it shouldn't be given without competing for it.

you compete every day that you are in the house, whether it is a comp or not. You play the game with the way you behave. That is why the show is called "Big Brother" (ie, big brother is watching). Jeff got lucky that the way he was playing the game made him popular the season of the CDT, but he actually did "compete" for it with the way he acted in the game. Jeff took a risk seperating himself from King Jessie and crew, and he was rewarded by the people. The CDT was a part of the game this season. If Jeff would have acted like Jessie, he wouldnt have won CDT. If Jeff wasnt in the house, someone else would have won CDT.

btw, how fair do you think it is that Jessie got handed the first HOH without having to compete for it? Jessie got handed the first HOH by his clique, but then proceded to act like King Jessie instead of including everyone in his decisions, particularly Jeff. In fact, he deliberately went against Jeff and targeted Jeff's friends from the jump. The only reason Braden was put up was because Jeff couldnt be put up.

and as far as twists, being able to play BB twice is quite an advantage for Jessie.

If they want to allow people to vote, then only allow those who pay for the online feeds. CBS has too much control on how people view them. CBS has found a loop hole in the "gaming" laws to allow them to have some control on the outcome.

you wouldnt like BB UK considering the country votes on who leaves every week

is this the first season that you have watched BB US? because such twists have always been a part of the game...and like I said, Jessie being able to play the game for the second time was a twist also

[jeremym480]

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you compete every day that you are in the house, whether it is a comp or not. You play the game with the way you behave. That is why the show is called "Big Brother" (ie, big brother is watching). Jeff got lucky that the way he was playing the game made him popular the season of the CDT, but he actually did "compete" for it with the way he acted in the game. Jeff took a risk seperating himself from King Jessie and crew, and he was rewarded by the people. If Jeff would have acted like Jessie, he wouldnt have won CDT. If Jeff wasnt in the house, someone else would have won CDT.

btw, how fair do you think it is that Jessie got handed the first HOH without having to compete for it? Jessie got handed the first HOH by his clique, but then proceded to act like King Jessie instead of including everyone in his decisions, particularly Jeff. In fact, he deliberately went against Jeff and targeted Jeff's friends from the jump. The only reason Braden was put up was because he couldnt put Jeff up.

and as far as twists, being able to play BB twice is quite an advantage for Jessie.

you wouldnt like BB UK considering the country votes on who leaves every week

is this the first season that you have watched BB US? because such twists have always been a part of the game...and like I said, Jessie being able to play the game for the second time was a twist also

ZB9 is speaking the truth!!! In Big Brother the game is contestantly changing and giving unfair advantages to House Guest in many seasons. If I recall correctly, in season 9 they voted a house guest back into the house after he had previously been voted out.

[cooldude]

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Well, one thing is for sure that should've been learned by future contestants watching this season.....care about your three A's: appearance, attitude and actions. How you will be perceived by "America" goes so much a long way.

I respectfully disagree with everything you just said.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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- There are new interviews over at ew.com right with Jeff and Jordan. On the topic of not gettin too frisky in the house, Jordan laughed and said she doesn't have sex. I gotta admit she's cute and seems like a nice person but she is still the worst winner in BB History

- BB's ratings were up 7% this season. The show is so cheap to produce and pulls in a big audience for the summertime. Just like Survivor, I don't see an end to Big Brother. This show could go on and on. I demand BB12 be in HD next year!

- I hope to see never see a CDT again. Frankly, I don't want the viewers to have any power unless it's something minor like picking what the HG's get to eat. What you see on TV isn't always what you see inside the House. Jeff used a gay slur towards Kevin and it was never brought up. CBS gave him a very good edit. The Producers also need to stop being so pushy in the DR. On the feeds, Kevin said the Producers really tried to influence who he should keep in the house. I know numerous HG's complained during Evil Dick's season that they were told Evil Dick should stay in the house.

- This season cleary ranks in the bottom half in BB history. I didn't think there was anything wrong with the casting. The main problem is that there were too many passive players that lasted a long time in the house. The passive players also weren't entertaining in the DR sessions. If the Producers had there way, Ronnie would have lasted the whole game.

- What makes BB great, is that you can win in a number of ways. You can be a really aggresive player or a stay under the radar player. You can win by being nice and you can also win by being a complete *******. I'm already looking forward to next season!