Anyone who understands the Oscar process, please explain...

[Adam Dayton]

Re: Anyone who understands the Oscar process, please explain...

Personally, I think TDK fits that classic definition.

To me the big thing is it didn't do anything substantially better than any other movie in its genre before it.

[Blzer]

Re: Anyone who understands the Oscar process, please explain...

To me the big thing is it didn't do anything substantially better than any other movie in its genre before it.

But that's just it, though. I mean did anyone go into this movie because of a featured shot in the trailer? Did Nolan hype up a certain element in the movie that topped another feature?

There is no one "epic" scene, but rather many very, very good scenes. I think there were some things that were done really well, though. Again, I'll have to give a nod to the directing, but also HZ and JNH's score. Then there's the maniacal Joker of course, and the insane character development of Harvey Dent in just one movie. It sticks close to the morals of Batman Begins without recycling anything, and has a great mix of very dark and serious overtones that's still appealing for a very general and worldwide audience. It wasn't overdone, and picked up at the right times. As a sequel, it works well as a standalone film and could very well work as an ending for the franchise much the same. Nolan crafted this movie together very well, with its few editing and plot hole issues plaguing it from being a masterpiece among masterpieces.

I think the biggest reason why this movie will stand out in years to come compared to something like Avatar, is that the only thing Avatar had going for it was its special effects (not an easy feat nonetheless). Let's be honest, the story was unoriginal (shades of The Matrix, Pocahontas... hell, even Ferngully all around). Everything that it succeeded in had to do with the visual technology they took advantage of. Five years ago Peter Jackson did this with King Kong, and in five years we will see another epic that will just be able to do it even better. So it may stand as the movie that "started it all" with this new style of visualization, but it will not stand out as much when another movie does it better.

However, I find it much more difficult to take what Nolan did and make everything even better, because it's hard to think of what that means really. Does it have to have an even louder score, have an even more maniacal villain, have heavier explosions, a deeper Batman voice, and be even darker in tone? No, that is overkill. So what do they need to do to top The Dark Knight? Now you see, that's why I think it's such a great movie, because aside from those few issues like I said earlier, I found it to be quite a classic. The only person that I have faith in to do better than Nolan already has with TDK is Nolan himself. I can see it in Inception, and I can see it in a future Batman movie. And like I said, if Ledger was still alive, I think that would have helped the movie immensely, therefore it would have helped TDK. That being said, I don't like it more because Ledger is dead, it would be strange to say the other way around.

This is why TDK is potentially influential... it is a basis for how other movies should be made. Instead of trying to "top" it, they should try to go about its same routes and maintain originality. In doing so, you will create something that is Oscar-worthy in this movie genre.

[Adam Dayton]

Re: Anyone who understands the Oscar process, please explain...

But that's just it, though. I mean did anyone go into this movie because of a featured shot in the trailer? Did Nolan hype up a certain element in the movie that topped another feature?

There is no one "epic" scene, but rather many very, very good scenes. I think there were some things that were done really well, though. Again, I'll have to give a nod to the directing, but also HZ and JNH's score. Then there's the maniacal Joker of course, and the insane character development of Harvey Dent in just one movie. It sticks close to the morals of Batman Begins without recycling anything, and has a great mix of very dark and serious overtones that's still appealing for a very general and worldwide audience. It wasn't overdone, and picked up at the right times. As a sequel, it works well as a standalone film and could very well work as an ending for the franchise much the same. Nolan crafted this movie together very well, with its few editing and plot hole issues plaguing it from being a masterpiece among masterpieces.

I think the biggest reason why this movie will stand out in years to come compared to something like Avatar, is that the only thing Avatar had going for it was its special effects (not an easy feat nonetheless). Let's be honest, the story was unoriginal (shades of The Matrix, Pocahontas... hell, even Ferngully all around). Everything that it succeeded in had to do with the visual technology they took advantage of. Five years ago Peter Jackson did this with King Kong, and in five years we will see another epic that will just be able to do it even better. So it may stand as the movie that "started it all" with this new style of visualization, but it will not stand out as much when another movie does it better.

However, I find it much more difficult to take what Nolan did and make everything even better, because it's hard to think of what that means really. Does it have to have an even louder score, have an even more maniacal villain, have heavier explosions, a deeper Batman voice, and be even darker in tone? No, that is overkill. So what do they need to do to top The Dark Knight? Now you see, that's why I think it's such a great movie, because aside from those few issues like I said earlier, I found it to be quite a classic. The only person that I have faith in to do better than Nolan already has with TDK is Nolan himself. I can see it in Inception, and I can see it in a future Batman movie. And like I said, if Ledger was still alive, I think that would have helped the movie immensely, therefore it would have helped TDK. That being said, I don't like it more because Ledger is dead, it would be strange to say the other way around.

This is why TDK is potentially influential... it is a basis for how other movies should be made. Instead of trying to "top" it, they should try to go about its same routes and maintain originality. In doing so, you will create something that is Oscar-worthy in this movie genre.

It was a very good Batman movie. We'll see as time passes how many people are influenced by it. Haven't seen Avatar yet.

[JayBee74]

Re: Anyone who understands the Oscar process, please explain...

No movie should win. The whole idea that one of these great movies is factually better than the other is flat out stupid. There were a bunch of great movies this year, and that's that. The idea we have to try to put one above all the others is just plain stupid; it comes down to personal opinion in the end anyway, it's not like winning an award really makes something better than something else.

You sound like

[MC Fatigue]

Re: Anyone who understands the Oscar process, please explain...

You sound like

Dustin Hoffman?

Thanks?

[CMH]

Re: Anyone who understands the Oscar process, please explain...

I believe he's talking about his character.