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  • ~LiverpoolRed~
    YNWA
    • Dec 2008
    • 10755

    #16
    Re: How come....

    Originally posted by Blzer
    I still want to know who came up with the notion that Humpty Dumpty was an egg. They never once say that in the song...

    Coffee ALL over the keyboard. Thanks!

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    • CMH
      Making you famous
      • Oct 2002
      • 26203

      #17
      Re: How come....

      Originally posted by Blzer
      I still want to know who came up with the notion that Humpty Dumpty was an egg. They never once say that in the song...
      The answer: it's a riddle.

      The assumption is that no man could ever break apart to attempt putting back together again, but an egg could.
      "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

      "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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      • marshallfever
        MVP
        • Aug 2003
        • 2738

        #18
        Re: How come....

        Originally posted by BurghFan81
        My guess would be that is has something to do with vampires appearing more human than werewolves and that they are always vampires as opposed to werewolves who (generally) only transform with the full moon. Because a vampire is always a vampire, they have to be able to blend in and interact with humans so they have to be portrayed in a more intelligent light. Werewolves on the other hand only transform under the full moon and are (generally) indistinguishable from humans when not transformed so there is no need to give a transformed werewolf intelligence and sophistication. Also, it would seem kind of strange watching a creature with such animalistic traits as fur, fangs, and claws act in a sophisticated manner.
        You nailed this right on the head, excellent assumption; satisfied me

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        • CMH
          Making you famous
          • Oct 2002
          • 26203

          #19
          Re: How come....

          The only issue I have with that breakdown (and it is a good one) is that it defines vampires as sophisticated because they are sophisticated.

          Read it again. I'll highlight some points.

          vampires appearing more human than werewolves

          Thing is, vampires were not supposed to be more human than werewolves. They were described as savages with pale, demon-like faces, bodies and actions. They were demons.

          Because a vampire is always a vampire, they have to be able to blend in and interact with humans so they have to be portrayed in a more intelligent light.

          This is based on the perception that vampires look like humans. In some way, you're explaining that vampires are aristocratic because they are made to be aristocratic.

          also, it would seem kind of strange watching a creature with such animalistic traits as fur, fangs, and claws act in a sophisticated manner.

          Yet, this is exactly how vampires once "looked" in old stories.

          I mean, I get it. The new look of vampires explains that description and maybe that's what the OP wanted an answer to, but I have to go deeper. We can't begin to understand why vampires are treated like humans based on how they look today. Using a picture of what you know to explain why is counter-intuitive. It explains the definition with the word being defined. It's like saying "to sit is to have a seat."
          "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

          "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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          • marshallfever
            MVP
            • Aug 2003
            • 2738

            #20
            Re: How come....

            YankeePride, i like your dept and anwsering seeking. It has seemed like Vampires have moved more and more to be more human like than demon looking foes; But like BurghFan81 mentioned, because werewolves are meant to look like beast, it is harder to make them more sophisticated.

            It also why i sort of found what Meyers did with the Twlight wolves interesting. They're more like big wolves then anything with the ability to change at anytime. Its interesting to see peoples take on these sort of things.

            This all started cause last night I watching Daybreakers, and they made the entire society vampires with rules and regulation and i've never seen werewolves treated like that before

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            • Fresh Tendrils
              Strike Hard and Fade Away
              • Jul 2002
              • 36131

              #21
              Re: How come....

              I guess cinema went the way of Dracula instead of embracing the Nosferatu look.



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              • Scottdau
                Banned
                • Feb 2003
                • 32580

                #22
                Re: How come....

                Yeah why is Humpty Dumpty portrayed as an egg?

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                • deaduck
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 2389

                  #23
                  Re: How come....

                  The whole concept of vampirism went the way of a stand in for sex/sexual urges early on in the cinema. That's why the nature of vampires changed and have largely remained that way.

                  As an interesting side note, the modern vampire who is potrayed to have a "disease" does double duty as a reference to STD's too.

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                  • bgeno
                    MVP
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 4321

                    #24
                    Re: How come....

                    Originally posted by deaduck
                    The whole concept of vampirism went the way of a stand in for sex/sexual urges early on in the cinema. That's why the nature of vampires changed and have largely remained that way.

                    As an interesting side note, the modern vampire who is potrayed to have a "disease" does double duty as a reference to STD's too.
                    Damn fangbangers.
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