Creepy Alien Stories

[bbolo84]

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UFOs definitely exist. The universe is just too large for humans to be the only living things out there. Even though I understand the doubters with all of the bogus UFO videos out there.

[dossier]

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Yeah I know he was but I already got on my soapbox. Even if technology doubled every seven years, it hasn't with space travel or we would have already had manned flights to Mars and we are not even close to approaching that more than 40 years after landing on the moon.

Saying that technology advancing so far to break the laws of physics and overcome the many impossibilities of space travel is like saying in 100 years man will learn to fly like a bird because of our technology. Humans are not designed for flight just like the way physics and the vast size of the universe does not allow for deep space travel no matter how much technology advances.

nothing's impossible. yeah im feeling lazy

[fishepa]

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Pics or it didn't happen.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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Not quite. Slightly clever...but not really.
At any rate. Voyager 1 is now at the edge of our solar system in Heliopause. It's been traveling for 33 years on 33 year old technology and has gone 100+ AU(1 AU is nearly 93,000,000 miles). This is all with the worlds space programs focusing on near earth missions since the '80's instead of deep space programs.
I think you haven't seen jumps in technology in space programs because the focus has been away from that. I'm sure that if the human race was to focus it's greatest minds, money and energy on this we would have come up with something much further along. Of course it's something we probably can't imagine as a reality right now, but to dismiss it as impossible is very short sighted. It's a good thing you weren't heading the Norseman or even King when Columbus "re-discovered" America...or we'd all still be in Europe!

I think of it this way. There is probably some planet out there with a very early..."crude" civilization. If they saw us and our technology they would be in awe at how far we've come. To think that somewhere in some solar system, some other civilization isn't further along(by thousands of years) is just way too limited in thought.

I'm not even discussing whether U.F.O.'s are aliens visiting here or not. That's another matter entirely.

M.K.
Knight165

With all due respect you are not giving enough respect to the size of the universe and the laws of physics. Saying that we or any alien culture can overcome these obstacles somehow as we advance comes simply from watching too many movies.

Nothing with mass can travel the speed of light. That's the law of physics, plain and simple. Even aliens would agree with this. Both mass and energy need to grow infinately as they approach the speed of light. So the closer you get to light speed the bigger the mass because you need more energy to propel that mass and to get that growing energy you need a growing mass. They both grow off each other to get faster. In other words you would need infinate energy and infinite mass to travel the speed of light.

It is impossible for something like the USS Enterprise or the Millenium Falcon to travel anywhere close to the speed of light because at that finite size of mass the most energy that could be used is simply not enough. This is not debatable and even the most romanticized physicist would agree that anything with mass cannot travel the speed of light no matter how advanced a species gets. The physics of the Universe prevents mass to travel at the speed of light because it would require more energy than is found in the universe. That pesky infinite energy again.

An even bigger problem is you would need to go much faster than the speed of light to approach planets that would have any intelligent life. The chances of an advanced alien society being only 1000 light years away is small. We're talking probably about 0.00001% small. If we hit the lottery and there was life there it would still take 1000 years to get there if we somehow were able to get an infinite energy source (that doesn't exist in our universe BTW) to travel the speed of light. Even if we got that infinite energy source we would still need that infinate mass with it. I'm not sure how big an infinate mass spaceship would be but it sounds real damn big. Like we're talking Jupiter size big (actually even bigger because it's infinate for god's sake).

Unfortunately to travel in a manned spaceship to anywhere of consequence in the Universe just to check things out then light speed is a must and even then it's gonna take you decades to get to most anywhere you wanna go so we then have the human mortality problem coming into the mix. Let's also hope they don't have any mechanical difficulties in deep space because they may have to wait quite awhile for a rescue ship and if Nasa has labour rates like most car dealerships then it could get quite expensive. An extended warranty is a must buy if you ask me. This just keeps getting worse. Sucks for those aliens who wanna get around too.

So basically we would need to travel close to 10 times faster than the speed of light (good luck with that) and that's assuming aliens are only 1 000 light years away if we want to make it in a good time. If they were 20 000 light years away (which is much more likely, closer to 1% which is a hell of alot better than 0.00001%) well you do the math. It's not pretty is it? It ain't happening ever and therefore there's no way in hell that they have visited us no matter how advanced they are. It sounds depressing and kills all imagination but that's the universe.

The best we could hope for is maybe in a few hundred years Seti catches a signal from some planet and it only takes us 100 years to respond and keep our fingers crossed that they know english.

[PVarck31]

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With all due respect you are not giving enough respect to the size of the universe and the laws of physics. Saying that we or any alien culture can overcome these obstacles somehow as we advance comes simply from watching too many movies.

Nothing with mass can travel the speed of light. That's the law of physics, plain and simple. Even aliens would agree with this. Both mass and energy need to grow infinately as they approach the speed of light. So the closer you get to light speed the bigger the mass because you need more energy to propel that mass and to get that growing energy you need a growing mass. They both grow off each other to get faster. In other words you would need infinate energy and infinite mass to travel the speed of light.

It is impossible for something like the USS Enterprise or the Millenium Falcon to travel anywhere close to the speed of light because at that finite size of mass the most energy that could be used is simply not enough. This is not debatable and even the most romanticized physicist would agree that anything with mass cannot travel the speed of light no matter how advanced a species gets. The physics of the Universe prevents mass to travel at the speed of light because it would require more energy than is found in the universe. Infinite energy in fact.

An even bigger problem is you would need to go much faster than the speed of light to approach planets that would have any intelligent life. The chances of an advanced alien society being only 1000 light years away is small. We're talking probably about 0.00001% small. If we hit the lottery and there was life there it would still take 1000 years to get there if we somehow were able to get an infinite energy source (that doesn't exist in our universe BTW) to travel the speed of light. Even if we got that infinite energy source we would still need that infinate mass with it. I'm not sure how big an infinate mass spaceship would be but it sounds real damn big. Like we're talking Jupiter size big (actually even bigger because it's infinate for god's sake).

So basically we would need to travel close to 10 times faster than the speed of light (good luck with that) and that's assuming aliens are only 1 000 light years away if we want to make it in a good time. If they were 20 000 light years away (which is much more likely, closer to 1% which is a hell of alot better than 0.00001%) well you do the math. It's not pretty is it? It ain't happening ever and therefore there's no way in hell that they have visited us no matter how advanced they are. It sounds depressing and kills all imagination but that's the universe.

The best we could hope for is maybe in a few hundred years Seti catches a signal from some planet and it only takes us 100 years to respond.

I got 2 more words for ya....Twin Paradox. Im not disagreeing with you man. But I am sure you know that IF a craft could approach speeds close to light speed, then the journey would be much shorter for the occupant than the time that would pass on their home planet.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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I got 2 more words for ya....Twin Paradox. Im not disagreeing with you man. But I am sure you know that IF a craft could approach speeds close to light speed, then the journey would be much shorter for the occupant than the time that would pass on their home planet.

Well it doesn't change the fact that if the astronauts travel at light speed to a place 50 light years away he is still travelling for and aged 50 years regardless, it's just for him time is measured as 25 years to get there and 25 years to get back while 100 years will have passed on Earth. The parodox states that travelling at light speed will slow down time in half relative to the earth so it's not that much shorter. Travelling to a planet 1000 light years away still takes 1000 years for the traveller back and forth.

That paradox actually makes alien visits sound even sillier. I don't think an alien astronaut would travel 1000 light years and not stay on this planet for good because even if he somehow suspended himself in animation to not age for those 1000 years he would have no reason to go back home since his home planet has aged 2000 years so what the hell is he gonna come back home too and who the hell is he gonna report to? It's like throwing Socrates into 2010 and let him fend for himself. That sounds like a hell of alot of trouble to go thru just to zig zag around earth for a couple of hours.

[PVarck31]

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Well it doesn't change the fact that if the astronauts travel at light speed to a place 50 light years away he is still travelling for and aged 50 years regardless, it's just for him time is measured as 25 years to get there and 25 years to get back while 100 years will have passed on Earth. The parodox states that travelling at light speed will slow down time in half relative to the earth so it's not that much shorter. Travelling to a planet 1000 light years away still takes 1000 years for the traveller back and forth.

That paradox actually makes alien visits sound even sillier. I don't think an alien astronaut would travel 1000 light years and not stay on this planet for good because even if he somehow suspended himself in animation to not age for those 1000 years he would have no reason to go back home since his home planet has aged 2000 years so what the hell is he gonna come back home too and who the hell is he gonna report to? It's like throwing Socrates into 2010 and let him fend for himself. That sounds like a hell of alot of trouble to go thru just to zig zag around earth for a couple of hours.

Ok, so serious question. What do you attribute the very credible UFO sightings to? Im talking about the ones from pilots and military. Are they all black military projects? What about the ones where the craft being witnessed do things seemingly against the laws of physics?

Like I said, you may be 100% right. But IMO I don't think we can rule anything out.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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Ok, so serious question. What do you attribute the very credible UFO sightings to? Im talking about the ones from pilots and military. Are they all black military projects? What about the ones where the craft being witnessed do things seemingly against the laws of physics?

Like I said, you may be 100% right. But IMO I don't think we can rule anything out.

When someone can show irrefutible proof that Alien UFO's exist then I classify all sightings like I do with Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster. Silly stories created from people who want to draw attention to themselves and get thier 15 minutes of fame or people who are so into this fantasy that they actually convince themselves that they see something that isn't there.

Just because someone is in the military or a cop doesn't make them immune in making up stories or they somehow have a better character than the rest of us. In fact it gives them more motivation to make things up because they know they are seen as more legitimate. I know several people who are both cops and in the military and I wouldn't put it past them to make up a story like that if it got them on TV. Nothing against them but it's human nature to draw attention to yourself. That 1st ever famous picture taken of nessie in 1933 was taken by a respected Doctor in Scotland, and later admitted as a hoax by the Doctor's buddy decades later, He put the Doc up to it because he thought a doctor taking the picture instead of a regular schmuck would seem more legit. After that picture was posted in the newspaper then sightings of Nessie came out of the woodwork because people wanted to beleive something was in the lake.

It's funny how almost all of us these days have cell phones with cameras to take a picture at a moment's notice yet photographs of supposed UFO's has gone down since the advent of camera and video phones and not one picture or video of those aliens walking around in the desert that we heard so often about 20 or 30 years ago. You figure with so much technology at our disposal it would be the exact opposite. That the proof would be coming out of the woodwork.

There's always an explanation for just about everything and the ones that are not fully explainable is because they are exaggerated. The American military would rather say something is unexplainable than admit to the public certain projects they are working on because they don't want the rest of the world to know. The US pours a hell of alot of money into the military and it's not all for Iraq. They are developing some badass stuff in the desert and need to test it if they want to continue to be the world's policeman.

There is simply no chance that we will ever be visited by aliens and vice versa. The laws of the universe won't allow it. Whether you accept it or not is inconsequential because its' still not happening. The best we can hope is for what SETI hopes for, some type of random communication in the next few centuries that they can make sense of. Even then who knows what they are expecting trading random messages that could take decades to respond to.

It's boring and depressing that we are severely limited to where we can travel to and doesn't make for good movies and TV and those TV astronomers on the Discovery channel know this but they don't want to admit how limited we are in space travel so they perpetuate the fairy tale of deep space travel to keep people interested and watch those shows by spouting off baseless theories about wormholes and how that will get us to Naboo in Parsec 5 about 100 000 light years away and we will all colonize there one day.

If someone told you pink elephants could fly and showed you a picture of that would you beleive them? No because you would say they got no wings and are too damn fat. Well the same with alien visits. No way because it's too damn far and would take too damn long. Alien visits have even less validity than those pink elephants to me.

[Knight165]

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Okay...so in 1877....100 years before Voyager 1 was launched......just 92 years before man set foot on another celestial object....you're saying that what people thought of space flight.....no....wait....manned flight of any kind thought was going to be correct 100 years into the future?
Heck the first real engine was just built....and a motor vehicle just a few years later...and I bet people STILL thought it would amount to nothing as they hooked up the buggy to their horses.

Okay.

M.K.
Knight165

[Bahnzo]

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Okay...so in 1877....100 years before Voyager 1 was launched......just 92 years before man set foot on another celestial object....you're saying that what people thought of space flight.....no....wait....manned flight of any kind thought was going to be correct 100 years into the future?
Heck the first real engine was just built....and a motor vehicle just a few years later...and I bet people STILL thought it would amount to nothing as they hooked up the buggy to their horses.

Okay.

M.K.
Knight165

I get what you are saying Knight, but there are limits to what technology can achieve. Unless (or until) new physics are discovered, spaceflight between stars just won't exist. It's not tech that holds us back, it's that damn Einstein. And for that reason, I put myself in the camp that is certain that aliens from another star system have not visited Earth. I'm certain intelligent life exists, but have they visited us? No. Period. The End.

[fishepa]

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There has NEVER been any proof that aliens exist. If there was indeed some real proof, it would be all over the news. I'm not into conspiracy theories. Aliens don't exist.

[av7]

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There has NEVER been any proof that aliens exist. If there was indeed some real proof, it would be all over the news. I'm not into conspiracy theories. Aliens don't exist.

If they do, they're so far away in the universe that we'll never, ever come across them. And for them to pick out Earth out of EVERYTHING in the universe, can humans really be that self-centered?

[DocHolliday]

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Seymour is correct. I think there is a VERY good chance there is other Life in the universe (I think this will be confirmed in the next 30 years or so, very basic life that is), and I even think there is a pretty good chance there is some form of advanced life.

But to think they have made it here is just wrong, once you start applying physics and distances, its just not possible.

[lilloreo]

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I think the problem with man is that they think they have everything figured out. Just because our minds are limited by our laws of physics doesn't mean things don't exist outside of our realm of comprehension. Take for instance what we are taught about our history, it seems like every couple of years something is discovered that changes/screws up the established thought of how things happened. We don't even know everything about our own oceans for crying out loud. I just think it is extremely arrogant to profess to know things and claim truths when we don't really know everything in the grand scheme of things.

[HealyMonster]

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I think the problem with man is that they think they have everything figured out. Just because our minds are limited by our laws of physics doesn't mean things don't exist outside of our realm of comprehension. Take for instance what we are taught about our history, it seems like every couple of years something is discovered that changes/screws up the established thought of how things happened. We don't even know everything about our own oceans for crying out loud. I just think it is extremely arrogant to profess to know things and claim truths when we don't really know everything in the grand scheme of things.

that is true I guess, A few hundred years ago people were like "Sail around the world? Are you mad? You will fall off the end of it. The earth is flat, Im a scientist"

now its like "travel to another galaxy? Are you mad? it would take a million-billion years, physics wont allow it. Im a scientist"

who knows what discoveries are out there. When I think about it, I mean earth is like 4 billion years old, lets just say another planet harboring life is the same age yet didn't go through things like the comet that made the dinosaurs extinct or an ice age or something and the creatures of that planet evolved the same way we did, just a few thousand years sooner(which in the scale of things, even a million years sooner is like just barely a tic faster) they would be so more advanced than us, I mean imagine where we will be in 5 thousand years from now. 5,000 years worth of discoveries that we can't even understand or comprehend at this point.

I mean imagine going back to Christopher Columbus' ship and showing them an iphone and a macbook and explain the internet. Thats only 500 years. Imagine what someone from 5,000 years in the future would be able to show us? well, they probably have, in the form if these crazy glowing lights and ships people are seeing all over the place.