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  • Seymour Scagnetti
    Banned
    • Oct 2006
    • 2489

    #16
    Re: History Channel: The Third Reich

    Actually the Germans invading Russia was out of necessity. They vitally needed the Western region around Stalingrad for the natural resources to continue to fuel thier military machinery and is pretty much the reason Hitler double crossed Stalin. He really had no choice.

    They needed to take over the city of Stalingrad as a symbolic victory to kill the morale of the Red Army and help them maintain that strategic region so they could continue to maintain thier military might with the abundent oil fields there. He knew it was risky with winter coming but had they taken over the region and kept it secure even for a year the war would have gone on for another several years at least.

    Yes it was the beginning of the end for Germany after they were chased out by the Soviets but had they not invaded it only delayed the inevitable and Germany would have started losing all thier strongholds because of thier depleting resources.

    Most history books or shows made in North America are much too biased regarding WW2. They try and make Hitler look like a buffoon and that he invaded Russia because of his ego but that was far from the truth. Simply put he was one of the greatest military leaders in history and General Rommel one of the greatest generals. Nobody likes to admit it because Hitler was such a nutcase. It took the efforts of England, North America and the Soviets with 3 times as many troops to take Germany down which was pretty unbelievable considering the relative small size of Germany. Not to mention Germnay had to constantly bail out Italy with thier bumbling military efforts under Mousselini in Africa and Greece.

    If you guys really want an unbiased account of WW2. I suggest you watch the BBC series the World at War narrated by Laurence Olivier. It's about 15 hours long and made back in the early 1970's with alot of interesting interviews with people who were vital figures who were still alive back then. Some of the footage they show is simply amazing. It doesn't try and glorify anybody, it pretty much just tells the facts that occurred in WW2 in an unbiased way.

    They explain why Japan attacked Pearl harbour and it wasn't simply because they were evil. The U.S. were facing enormous pressure to enter the war from Britain after France was defeated but Roosevelt didn't have the backing of the American people to justify it. There has always been strong rumours that the British intentionally gave out false intel that Japan would get wind of where the U.S. was about to launch a full scale attack on Japan (Churchill knew a Japanese attack would get the U.S. into the war quickly). Pearl Harbour and Midway island were key strategic military bases that Japan felt needed to be wiped out to protect against a U.S. preemptive strike.

    The British were crafty in getting thier way just like every other country in WW2 and did alot of dubious things in doing so including sacrificing some American lives for what he thought was the greater good.

    Churchill was also crazy and not in a good way. He was mentally ill and may have been as crazy as Hitler in some ways and was ousted quickly as Prime Minister after the war ended by the British voters as he wanted to hit the Soviet Union with the atomic bomb because of the Eastern Europe division and the Americans pretty much told him to get lost. It was also probably the main reason that the Cold War started as the Soviets feared Churchill was crazy enough to convince the Americans (who just got a new president and thought he may have been vulnerable to Churchill's demands) to deliver an atomic bomb at them in the late 1940's.

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    • SPTO
      binging
      • Feb 2003
      • 68046

      #17
      Re: History Channel: The Third Reich

      Seymour there's a lot i'd like to respond to but this isn't the place.

      BTW another great series that looks at World War II from a tactical point of view is Battlefield Six of the 7 "series" are on World War II battles while one series looked at Vietnam.
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      • allBthere
        All Star
        • Jan 2008
        • 5847

        #18
        Re: History Channel: The Third Reich

        if not here - where lol

        interesting to read this thread. I'll keep an eye out for this.

        One of my best friends is German and it's very interesting to hear his thoughts on especially the aftermath of the war.
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        • rockchisler
          All Star
          • Oct 2002
          • 8290

          #19
          Re: History Channel: The Third Reich

          We can here as long as its not political, stay away from the holocust and just talk strategy..should not be a problem.
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          • rockchisler
            All Star
            • Oct 2002
            • 8290

            #20
            Re: History Channel: The Third Reich

            Originally posted by SPTO
            Actually Hitler had no designs on the US. In fact, he was quite upset and angry about the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor as he didn't want the US to be involved in the war.
            Any of you guys ever read the ficton books about "What if " germany won World War II? like "Fatherland"?.. From ww2f.com someone posted these books, seems interesting..

            Look at these-- I think that Iron Dream was banned in the US as some Politician couldn't understand it.

            •It Happened Here
            •The Man in the High Castle
            •The Ultimate Solution
            •1945 (novel)
            •SS-GB
            •In the Presence of Mine Enemies
            •Fatherland (novel)
            •Collaborator (novel)
            •The Sound of His Horn
            •Swastika Night
            •Clash of Eagles
            •The Plot Against America
            •The Iron Dream
            •The Children's War
            Last edited by rockchisler; 04-26-2011, 01:32 AM.
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            • MachoMyers
              Old School
              • Jul 2002
              • 7670

              #21
              Re: History Channel: The Third Reich

              Originally posted by rockchisler
              Any of you guys ever read the ficton books about "What if " germany won World War II? like "Fatherland"?.. From ww2f.com someone posted these books, seems interesting..

              Look at these-- I think that Iron Dream was banned in the US as some Politician couldn't understand it.

              •It Happened Here
              •The Man in the High Castle
              •The Ultimate Solution
              •1945 (novel)
              •SS-GB
              •In the Presence of Mine Enemies
              •Fatherland (novel)
              •Collaborator (novel)
              •The Sound of His Horn
              •Swastika Night
              •Clash of Eagles
              •The Plot Against America
              •The Iron Dream
              •The Children's War
              The Man in the High Castle is an all-time classic and one of my favorites. Excellent stuff about living in Nazi America.

              Back to Churchill, I remember visiting the bunkers that the British Government operated in during the war. Churchill hated being in there but was so crazy that at night he would get on the roof of the building so he could see for himself the German bombs dropping on London. What a whacko.

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              • Cusefan
                Earlwolfx on XBL
                • Oct 2003
                • 9820

                #22
                Re: History Channel: The Third Reich

                Originally posted by SPTO
                Seymour there's a lot i'd like to respond to but this isn't the place.

                BTW another great series that looks at World War II from a tactical point of view is Battlefield Six of the 7 "series" are on World War II battles while one series looked at Vietnam.
                Yup, Conspiracy theories about WWII are fun but reality makes far more sense.
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                • SPTO
                  binging
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 68046

                  #23
                  Re: History Channel: The Third Reich

                  Originally posted by rockchisler
                  Any of you guys ever read the ficton books about "What if " germany won World War II? like "Fatherland"?.. From ww2f.com someone posted these books, seems interesting..

                  Look at these-- I think that Iron Dream was banned in the US as some Politician couldn't understand it.

                  •It Happened Here
                  •The Man in the High Castle
                  •The Ultimate Solution
                  •1945 (novel)
                  •SS-GB
                  •In the Presence of Mine Enemies
                  •Fatherland (novel)
                  •Collaborator (novel)
                  •The Sound of His Horn
                  •Swastika Night
                  •Clash of Eagles
                  •The Plot Against America
                  •The Iron Dream
                  •The Children's War
                  I have Harry Turtledove's WWII "what if" series but stopped reading midway through the first book as it was too outlandish. I've read FATHERLAND and that's a great book. A lot better than the cable movie based on it.
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                  • superjames1992
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 31381

                    #24
                    Re: History Channel: The Third Reich

                    I find this to be an interesting alternate history about World War II, as well. It involves the Germans and Soviets going to war in 1937 and it changes to whole outcome of the war.

                    An alternate history of a very different second world war
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                    • rockchisler
                      All Star
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 8290

                      #25
                      Re: History Channel: The Third Reich

                      So it looks like "Fatherland" and "The man in the high castle" are the top stories out of them all...
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                      • Bighoff
                        The Bird is the word
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 5312

                        #26
                        Re: History Channel: The Third Reich

                        Originally posted by rockchisler
                        Any of you guys ever read the ficton books about "What if " germany won World War II? like "Fatherland"?.. From ww2f.com someone posted these books, seems interesting..

                        Look at these-- I think that Iron Dream was banned in the US as some Politician couldn't understand it.

                        •It Happened Here
                        •The Man in the High Castle
                        •The Ultimate Solution
                        •1945 (novel)
                        •SS-GB
                        •In the Presence of Mine Enemies
                        •Fatherland (novel)
                        •Collaborator (novel)
                        •The Sound of His Horn
                        •Swastika Night
                        •Clash of Eagles
                        •The Plot Against America
                        •The Iron Dream
                        •The Children's War
                        Read the "Fatherland" great book IMO, I love WWII so it was cool to read some WWII fiction rather then the biographies or battle books I normally read on WWII.
                        I've heard this "patience is a virtue" junk all my life. I'm happy to say I have no virtue, no scruples, and no desire to wait too long for anything. In my humble opinion instant gratification takes too long!

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