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  • p2xgamers
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    • Jul 2002
    • 4735

    #16
    Re: Computer motherboard Manufacturers and quality

    Originally posted by WTF
    Real quick, what about GPU's, re: PhysX or whatever nVidia has over ATI? Is there something that one type of card can do that the other can't? I've watched some videos on youtube showing some scenes with Batman AA, one with PhysX and one without, and seems ATI is always the one without that feature. Is that a big deal? Will ATI be able to use PhysX or whatever in the future?
    Well I can't say much about nvidia myself since I haven't had one but I suppose there isn't really an answer to your question. I wouldn't say that there is one thing a nvidia can do or ATI can do that the other can't, they just have different features.

    I think it's much more of costs and card to card comparison. If you compare two cards, one from each brand that came out at the same time it's often how much you want to spend - the Nvidia might best it but it could also cost $100-$200 more and value wise ATI is often worth it. This isn't always the case though, it's usually just depends on the card but I think more often than not ATI at the lower price is worth it cause you can also crossfire. (can do SLI with nvidia, but again, cost)
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    • mudman
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      • Sep 2003
      • 200

      #17
      Re: Computer motherboard Manufacturers and quality

      Originally posted by p2xgamers
      Oh I see, I thought it was built and sold business wise. (im thinking of ebay) Yeah for that price it's great, I figured it out to be at the lowest $650 but up to maybe $730 but even if you figure in that it's used I still think pretty good. I would check to see the warranty situation but otherwise I'd go for it.

      But personally I would disagree about getting a GPU that quickly. I think you'll see how capable the 4870 is, though don't forget to you can do crossfire so you could say get a 4870 or a cheaper graphics card and throw that in addition to it and rather than spending a few hundred bucks or so on a card you will have beastly capabilities with 2 cards.
      Just wanted to 2nd this idea about upgrading the GPU right away. A 4870 is a capable card right now and with that x6, will play virtually everything out today at high settings.

      I wouldn't get another 4870 though as it's not dx11 capable. If you got a game that the 4870 couldn't handle (to your liking anyway) then you can sell it and upgrade at that time.

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      • WTF
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        • Aug 2002
        • 20274

        #18
        Re: Computer motherboard Manufacturers and quality

        Thanks for chiming in mudman. So the 4870 should suffice for the next year or thereabout? I'm really wanting to make sure that when Skyrim drops, that I can have all the bells and whistles right away. I know I have some time to build, but now I'm getting antsy to start playing some of the other PC games I've hoarded for a few months, ha.
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        • Leon
          An Old Trafford
          • Mar 2003
          • 4981

          #19
          Re: Computer motherboard Manufacturers and quality

          I'd like to share my recently built (less than a month) gaming PC. I've played Crysis 2 and The Witcher 2 (both graphics intensive games) and I've been able to run them on the highest setting without any hiccups.

          CPU: Intel Core i5-2500 (3.3G) 6mb LGA1155
          MB: MSI H67MA-E45-B3 V/S/L/ddr3/hdmi
          GPU: ASUS GTX 460 SE 1GB GDDR5
          RAM: Kingston 4GB PC3-10600 DDR3 1333 x2 (8GB Total)
          HDD: Samsung 1TB 7200rpm SATA
          CD/DVD: Liteon DVDRW IHAS-124 24X Sata
          Case: CoolerMaster 690 II Plus
          PSU: Cougar 700w PSU

          TOTAL: around $750

          IMO, focus on finding the best value/performance with the CPU, motherboard and GPU. RAM can be had on the cheap so make sure to search well to get the necessary amount you'd want (at least 4GB DDR3 for future-proofing). If it's a gaming rig, make sure your case is at least a mid-sized tower to give it enough breathing space and to make sure your graphics card fits inside. Your power supply will definitely be at least 650w to power everything without problems. HDDs can also be acquired cheaply so just look around.

          Personally, I never spend over $250 for a graphics card. They get upgraded so quickly that it really doesn't make sense to spend all that money. Just read reviews and I'm sure you'll find one you'll be satisfied with.
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          • Pete1210
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            • Aug 2006
            • 3277

            #20
            Re: Computer motherboard Manufacturers and quality

            I'm thinking of buying a gaming PC, instead of building, since I also need the OS. I'd like something for BF3 at max/near max settings.

            What do you think of this for $900:

            CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4GHz
            GPU: AMD Radeon HD 6870 1GB PCI Express Graphics
            RAM: 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1333
            HDD: 1TB (1 x 1TB) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200RPM HDD
            24X DVD±R/±RW Dual Layer Drive
            Sound card - Integrated
            Power Supply 700W
            Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
            Coolermaster HAF 912 Gaming Case

            http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16883229221

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            • WTF
              MVP
              • Aug 2002
              • 20274

              #21
              Re: Computer motherboard Manufacturers and quality

              Video card gurus:

              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...661-_-Homepage

              What do you think? Future proof enough? It's EVGA, DX11, so I'm assuming it should run everything I want/need it to for the next couple of years.
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              • WTF
                MVP
                • Aug 2002
                • 20274

                #22
                Re: Computer motherboard Manufacturers and quality

                Originally posted by Pete1210
                I'm thinking of buying a gaming PC, instead of building, since I also need the OS. I'd like something for BF3 at max/near max settings.

                What do you think of this for $900:

                CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4GHz
                GPU: AMD Radeon HD 6870 1GB PCI Express Graphics
                RAM: 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1333
                HDD: 1TB (1 x 1TB) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200RPM HDD
                24X DVD±R/±RW Dual Layer Drive
                Sound card - Integrated
                Power Supply 700W
                Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
                Coolermaster HAF 912 Gaming Case

                http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16883229221
                Just out of curiousity, why buy that instead of the barebones kit and get a Windows 7 disc? Looks like you're paying a pretty high premium just to have it built?

                Granted, it has a nice videocard, but looking at the barebone pc's that I've been seeing, looks like that build shouldn't cost nearly that much.

                I'm just going through my initial "build" phases right now, so I haven't broken the parts down. Just wondering why buy prebuilt Pete?

                It's been a while since I've built one, so if I'm missing something, then by all means, I need to know, lol.
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                • Pete1210
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                  • Aug 2006
                  • 3277

                  #23
                  Re: Computer motherboard Manufacturers and quality

                  I didn't break it down myself and I would before I buy.
                  I figured the Video card was about $200, CPU about $100, so with all the other stuff I thought it would be close to $900 (price is $880, plus $20 shipping).
                  I though the Windows OS cost more, but I see its under $100.
                  My feeling is I'm not going to save as much as I used to by building my own
                  Last edited by Pete1210; 06-16-2011, 05:00 PM.

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                  • WTF
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                    • Aug 2002
                    • 20274

                    #24
                    Re: Computer motherboard Manufacturers and quality

                    If thats the case, then I definitely understand. I was just looking at x6 core systems, and am looking at less than $700, which is what really stands out to me. If you have an .edu email address, you can normally get Win7 for less than $40. I'm going to grab a license through my old school email soon too.
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                    • WTF
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                      • Aug 2002
                      • 20274

                      #25
                      Re: Computer motherboard Manufacturers and quality

                      http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboB...t=Combo.667370

                      That looks like a pretty nice deal for what it is too. Just add an OS and you're on your way.

                      This: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboB...t=Combo.661404

                      May be the deal that I go for. It has a built in Radeon 4250, which looking at it looks like if you add a good card on top of it, you can run it in SLI mode or whatever to give you some extra punch. Add a $150-200 graphics card and you're right at the mid $600 range for what looks to be a very solid PC

                      Thoughts?
                      Last edited by WTF; 06-16-2011, 05:35 PM.
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                      • Pete1210
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                        • Aug 2006
                        • 3277

                        #26
                        Re: Computer motherboard Manufacturers and quality

                        I like the first one. Looks like a better video card (GTX 560) than the Radeon 6870 and its $200 less overall then that pre-built I was looking at, minus the OS. (My son has a .edu address, so thanks for that tip).

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                        • Gotmadskillzson
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                          • Apr 2008
                          • 23433

                          #27
                          Re: Computer motherboard Manufacturers and quality

                          Originally posted by WTF
                          http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboB...t=Combo.667370

                          That looks like a pretty nice deal for what it is too. Just add an OS and you're on your way.

                          This: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboB...t=Combo.661404

                          May be the deal that I go for. It has a built in Radeon 4250, which looking at it looks like if you add a good card on top of it, you can run it in SLI mode or whatever to give you some extra punch. Add a $150-200 graphics card and you're right at the mid $600 range for what looks to be a very solid PC

                          Thoughts?
                          1st one is better. Second one is garbage and is basically the same as a store bought computer. Also you can't SLI an integrated video card.

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                          • WTF
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                            • Aug 2002
                            • 20274

                            #28
                            Re: Computer motherboard Manufacturers and quality

                            Can you elaborate why the second one is garbage? This is the type of info I need.

                            http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131657

                            That motherboard says you can Crossfire with the integrated card? This was much simpler a few years ago. Too new of tech.
                            Last edited by WTF; 06-16-2011, 11:10 PM.
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                            • Gotmadskillzson
                              Live your life
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 23433

                              #29
                              Re: Computer motherboard Manufacturers and quality

                              Second one has an integrated video card chip set. It is so weak that you can't even play 3 yr old games on it on medium settings.

                              Here is a link of the best gaming graphic cards for 2011

                              http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2...ndex,2673.html

                              It has a chart on there ranking the most powerful to the weakest.

                              And here is a link of showing the best 2010 graphics cards when testing the frames per second on max settings

                              http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2...1200,2491.html

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                              • WTF
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                                • Aug 2002
                                • 20274

                                #30
                                Re: Computer motherboard Manufacturers and quality

                                Oh, I know that the second one didn't have a dedicated card. But for $150-200 I could throw something in there that would be a nice addition. That's what I was talking. Yeah, def not going to use the integrated for gaming.

                                Other than the integrated graphics, do you have any knocks on the second system or any reason to pick the first over it?
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