Breaking Bad: The Final 8 - (premieres 8/11/13)

[LakerFan56]

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I agree he has been an emotional character overall, but when did he ever show signs like he was going to go off the deep-end? And if he cared so much, why didn't he get out one of the multiple times he had the chance?

After he killed Gale he turned his house into skid row and gave that painful speech.

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He never got out because Walt was so good at manipulating him. Walt did promise no more people would die but that was obviously BS. Like Mike said, Jesse's problem was his loyalty to Walt.

[Cavsfan4life]

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Jesse throughout the series has always had his morals in place, as well as his moments where he was/felt disconnected after a terrible situation. Unlike Walt who slowly changes as he grows morally, Jesse remains consistent in his beliefs.

[AshamanCarnage]

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I guess I must have blocked out some of his past crying-actions. Still hate his emo-ness though

[shugknight]

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I just don't buy the whole Jesse's life is horrible because of Walt angle. He is unquestionably in a better place post Walt than he was pre Walt. Plus he's celebrating, high fiving and counting money when everything is going well, but when something bad happens he just goes totally in the tank. Can't stand it. I realize this is an uncommon opinion.

Money can't always buy happiness. And honestly, when you're rich and have everything you want, sometimes it's the little things that matter most.

Losing his best friend Combo because he was dealing for you in the wrong neighborhood. Losing his girlfriend because of the same drugs you're making. Having to kill another human being himself. And finally seeing an innocent kid get killed for no apparent reason can change people, no matter how "tough" you may look.

He's playing the perfect part. He's the depressed, sad Jessie. However, I do feel that a depressed, angry Jessie will soon come out. And that may top even the angriest Heisenberg.

[Trevytrev11]

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Add to what everyone else said the fact that is he is completely and utterly alone, which has been a consistent theme through out the series.

- His parents have disowned him on multiple occasions yet he tried multiple times to come back home only to screw up again and be rejected.

- Combo, one of his close friends got shot

- Jane, his true love, died

- He almost lost Brock

- He, on good faith, knew it was best to leave Andrea based on the lifestyle he was living and some coaching from Walt.

- After gaining Gus's trust and being able to kill Gus himself, Gus is killed

- Mike, who truely seemed to look out for his best interest within the constraints of the business was killed

- All he has left is Walt, who only plays nice when it benefits him.

When he was alone, he was always absolutely miserable. Sitting in darkness, smoking. It was either that, or non-stop parties with the lowest of low lifes in order to prevent himself from being alone.

Jesse has always been a punk, but never a "thug". I think he idealized the lifestyle that he began to live, but never really had it in him. He was a drug dealer and became a meth cook, but he wasn't a killer...we saw this on multiple occasions...Gale, the gang bangers who killed the kid, the meth head parents, the dude in the basement. With the exception of Gale, which he did with tears in his eyes, he never had it in him.

Plus the fact he took multiple beatings, which hospitalized him. Don't forget the incident with the kid in the meth house and the wife dropping the ATM on the husband, Todd shooting the kid on the bike.

All of that crap in the span of year or so. He's got all of the money in the world, which likely reminds him of all the bad that has happened, but no one to share it with. It's no suprise that he can't cope with all of that. Very few could.

[JayBee74]

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- All he has left is Walt, who only plays nice when it benefits him.

You think. When he ran over the guys with his car, he wasn't concerned about Jesse?

[Sandman42]

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You think. When he ran over the guys with his car, he wasn't concerned about Jesse?

Walt in season 2/3 and Walt in season 5 are completely different characters with completely different motivations.

[shugknight]

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Now that I think of it, maybe the writers are trying to portray what really happens when you get rich.

You either get depressed because all you're true friends are gone (not technically dead like in the show, but maybe money changed your personality/attitude that drove them away)

Or you finally get rich, and become greedy and only want to be come richer. In doing so, you forget about all the things that really matter in your life, like family and friends.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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Money can't always buy happiness. And honestly, when you're rich and have everything you want, sometimes it's the little things that matter most.

Losing his best friend Combo because he was dealing for you in the wrong neighborhood. Losing his girlfriend because of the same drugs you're making. Having to kill another human being himself. And finally seeing an innocent kid get killed for no apparent reason can change people, no matter how "tough" you may look.

He's playing the perfect part. He's the depressed, sad Jessie. However, I do feel that a depressed, angry Jessie will soon come out. And that may top even the angriest Heisenberg.

Did Jesse really believe he could manufacture and distribute large quantities of meth without any bloodshed? That's my problem with him. I understand he's young, but c'mon. He wants to be a gentleman about a game that's anything but. I don't expect him to just brush these events off, but the constant moping around just irks me. You're sitting in the living room of a house that you own with 5 million dollars in cash. Less than a year ago you were a two bit meth head with barely a dollar to your name. Stop it, man.

Re: Walt manipulating Jesse. He has, don't get me wrong. But off the top of my head, I can count at least two times Walt has saved Jesse's life. Running over the dealers with the car and letting his gf die (there's not a doubt in my mind he'd have shot that 480k right up his arm). It's not all bad with Walt and Jesse, IMO.

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Not to mention I believe that Walt comes back to save Jesse in someway this season.

[Cavsfan4life]

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Did Jesse really believe he could manufacture and distribute large quantities of meth without any bloodshed? That's my problem with him. I understand he's young, but c'mon. He wants to be a gentleman about a game that's anything but. I don't expect him to just brush these events off, but the constant moping around just irks me. You're sitting in a living of a house that you own with 5 million dollars in cash. Stop it, man.

Re: Walt manipulating Jesse. He has, don't get me wrong. But off the top of my head, I can count at least two times Walt has saved Jesse's life. Running over the dealers with the car and letting his gf die (there's not a doubt in my mind he'd have shot that 480k right up his arm). It's not all bad with Walt and Jesse, IMO.

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Not to mention I believe that Walt comes back to save Jesse in someway this season.

I dont think thats the issue, I think Jesse understands that there would be bloodshed dealing meth. Seeing a kid get shot can be traumatic for anyone, especially with Jesse who cares about kids. Or after meeting with Gus, his girlfriends kid brother ends up murdered.

When Jesse has to do the murdering, you see how difficult it is for him. He struggled trying to kill the two meth users who robbed Skinny Pete. He never did attempt to poision Gus with the ricin. He did kill Gale, and we saw how he struggled after that. Seeing the kid get killed near the train is what finally made Jesse to stop dealing.

[jeremym480]

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I don't necessarily like Super Emo Jesse, especially the throwing the money out of the car part, but I get it.

Here's my take on Jesse. He feels responsible for all of those deaths and they are weighing heavily on his conscience. He's alone now because everyone close to him is either dead or has abandoned him; all of that can be attributed to his business with Walt. He feels guilty over all that has happened and doesn't have anyone to turn to. He's also see's that Walt doesn't have the same remorse (that he does) about the bodies they have left in their wake and that has caused him to harbor even more resentment towards Walt, as well as the money that he has earned with him. Add to that the fact that he now considers Walt a huge threat and is constantly paranoid. All of those feeling have given us the Jesse that we have today.

My theory is that Jesse's fear of and hatred towards Walt, will soon manifest from depression and into anger. From there he will somehow team-up with Hank and cause Walt's demise. If that happens then I don't see anyway Jesse makes it out of this season alive, but I hope he does.

[CMH]

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Seriously, you guys are complaining about Jesse crying?

Really? I think it's time I bow out of this thread.

People complain over silly things here.

[Trevytrev11]

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Did Jesse really believe he could manufacture and distribute large quantities of meth without any bloodshed?

Expecting it and experiencing at are very different though. Just think about how many soldiers return for war and are never the same mentally. Not comparing the two situations, just stating that even though you know what to expect, you never know how you are going to react.

[bichettehappens]

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Does anyone else find the route they are going with Jesse to be extremely awful? The whole depressed-crybaby-preachy thing got super annoying. I feel like they took it to the extreme, and are just ruining his character.

Jesse has been like that multiple times throughout the series. How is it just now ruining his character when he currently has the most justification for that behavior? Keep in mind that the creator called him the "moral center" of the show, if I recall correctly.

I don't get what you're saying. How would you prefer he act?

[dsallupinyaarea]

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Emo Jesse has always irritated me. It didn't just start this season for me.