The Flash

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Re: The Flash (Spinoff from Arrow)

There's still the Man in the Iron Mask. I'm really hoping that's the real Earth-2 Flash.

I thought that was Jay, but maybe that was him just telling Barry who Zoom was.

It's either Barry's father, Zoom/Jay's father, or Jay/Flash. Not sure about the mask though because you can't use powers in the cage to effect the outside. Maybe they will tell us by the end of season 3.

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[TripleCrown9]

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I think it's Jay. Those cells were made to keep speedsters in. However, I don't think Jay is played by the same actor that plays Zoom.

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He's kept others in those cages

Then there is the thing where Barrys dad says that his families last name was Garrick


Too busy having Barry be a noob to answer these things?

Dont think we need another full season of man alive in the cage banging on the bars

[iromerliciousi]

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Really think the real Jay Garrick is Barry's father from Earth 2. Just makes the most sense tbh.

[Majingir]

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Still confused on the Jay/Flash and Zoom stuff. Wells knew the earth 2 flash and knew he was Jay Garrick. Zoom pretended to be Jay,but was really named Hunter. Maybe "separated at birth" or something? So the guy locked up is the real Jay Garrick/Flash, who also looks like Hunter/Zoom. Maybe imprisoned sometime during the breech opening.

That's only logical way I can think of right now, as to how Wells knew Earth-2 Flash, but didn't notice any differences when the fake Jay Garrick came to Earth 1.

However, I don't think Jay is played by the same actor that plays Zoom.

The actor playing Jay/Hunter/Zoom is all the same guy.

[TripleCrown9]

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Still confused on the Jay/Flash and Zoom stuff. Wells knew the earth 2 flash and knew he was Jay Garrick. Zoom pretended to be Jay,but was really named Hunter. Maybe "separated at birth" or something? So the guy locked up is the real Jay Garrick/Flash, who also looks like Hunter/Zoom. Maybe imprisoned sometime during the breech opening.

That's only logical way I can think of right now, as to how Wells knew Earth-2 Flash, but didn't notice any differences when the fake Jay Garrick came to Earth 1.


The actor playing Jay/Hunter/Zoom is all the same guy.

I know that. What I mean is the man in the mask could be the actual Jay Garrick and be played by a different actor. Earth 1 Star Labs had no idea who Jay Garrick is. Hunter Zolomon came through, said he was Jay Garrick, and they were like oh, ok. Even now that they know he's Hunter Zolomon, they keep calling him Jay.

[Majingir]

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I know that. What I mean is the man in the mask could be the actual Jay Garrick and be played by a different actor. Earth 1 Star Labs had no idea who Jay Garrick is. Hunter Zolomon came through, said he was Jay Garrick, and they were like oh, ok. Even now that they know he's Hunter Zolomon, they keep calling him Jay.

That's not what would confuse me. It's the Wells part that does. Earth1 knows nothing about Jay or their Flash, but Wells does. If the masked guy is Jay, but a diff actor, how would Wells not know the guy who was the flash, isn't the one everyone saw the past few months.

Cause "Jay"(Hunter) and Wells argued alot and did have a history prior to going to earth 1, so Wells did know all about who the flash was from the early days of the accident.

[tdawg3782]

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That's not what would confuse me. It's the Wells part that does. Earth1 knows nothing about Jay or their Flash, but Wells does. If the masked guy is Jay, but a diff actor, how would Wells not know the guy who was the flash, isn't the one everyone saw the past few months.

Cause "Jay"(Hunter) and Wells argued alot and did have a history prior to going to earth 1, so Wells did know all about who the flash was from the early days of the accident.

I could be completely off but I think Zoom captured the real Jay Garrick (man in the mask) before the earth 2 flash ever showed up. He then started playing the part of Garrick and Zoom. This is why Wells thinks he is the Flash from his world. Because he never knew who Jay Garrick(actually Hunter) was until he showed up as Flash.

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[JayBee74]

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An interesting Article states, with apparent little doubt, that the guy in the iron mask is the

Spoiler

Earth 2 Henry Allen

AKA Jay Garrett.

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IronMask

EDIT: This is just a side note having nothing to do with the article but when Tina is brought along as a romantic interest for Henry it was kind of a "wink, wink" thing because actors John Wesley Ship and Amanda Pays had the sexual tension thing going in the original Flash series.

[Speedy]

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Rearranging some of your post.

Barry has this super speed after getting a formula from Thawne, and is faster than everyone, but needs Cisco to open a portal for him.

Zoom comes out opening portals like he's Cisco out of nowhere (which barry cant do, and he couldn't do either) , and still has the blue lightning which means he's sick, although they say he's no longer sick.

They somehow telepathically realize Zoom used his knew Cisco portal ability to leave ( but yeah sure, he can't just pop right back up just like he left, right?) and go in total dum dum mode, which ends up having the 3rd kidnapping happen, a loss of life, and he just stands there and watch.

Yeah, I don't understand how Zoom can go back and forth but Barry can't. Otherwise, if Zoom could get to earth-1 so easily then why didn't we see him in S1?

Barry decides to go back to earth 2 for no reason at all to start a fight he loses, and gets 3 people kidnapped.

I like the fact Barry wants to be hero and try to help people regardless if it's a detriment to him personally...I would like to see him make a choice for his own self and see how that plays out. We see so much where the hero does things to his own detriment so why not take a chance? I would've liked to have seen how the future panned out if he did save his mom or for that matter, raced AHEAD in time and killed Thawne. Granted, maybe that's completely off as I'm admittedly not good with "time logic"; this series has shown me a lot which I do appreciate it...I've never read these comics but it's very easy to pickup with how gentle they bring along novices like myself.

Quick point regarding earth-2 though...nerdy Barry was funny.

Gives up his powers only to get them back to lose again, without even trying to use it to catch up...not ONCE

I don't get this either. Why not speed and stop what Zoom is doing or FIGHT him? Why just sit and watch him? Seems like the writers didn't think that through...I certainly wouldn't have just stood and watched being I worked so long to free him from prison in the first place.

20 minutes earlier he was like "guys, guys, c'mon guys, we got this, and im invincible")

First Joe warns him not to do something and it backfires, then wells asks him not to do something and it backfires, then his dad asks him not to do something and it backfires....

When did Barry become a complete idiot? He's like we're a team, but then he randomly takes off on his own just because.

I was kind of into the cockiness at first but the overwhelming thought was that it would obviously backfire...especially with how TV writing is today. It was simply way too predictable...I was hoping they'd turn it around and make it entirely different than expected. I'm still confused as to how this "speed force" makes him think he's invincible in the first place? It's speed...he's not a god.

On a separate thought...maybe it's me using common sense but since they found this time vault thingy that Thawne was using to ensure his future was secure (can't remember what it's called) in STAR labs, why aren't they using it?

[Scott]

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Rearranging some of your post.



Yeah, I don't understand how Zoom can go back and forth but Barry can't. Otherwise, if Zoom could get to earth-1 so easily then why didn't we see him in S1?



I like the fact Barry wants to be hero and try to help people regardless if it's a detriment to him personally...I would like to see him make a choice for his own self and see how that plays out. We see so much where the hero does things to his own detriment so why not take a chance? I would've liked to have seen how the future panned out if he did save his mom or for that matter, raced AHEAD in time and killed Thawne. Granted, maybe that's completely off as I'm admittedly not good with "time logic"; this series has shown me a lot which I do appreciate it...I've never read these comics but it's very easy to pickup with how gentle they bring along novices like myself.

Quick point regarding earth-2 though...nerdy Barry was funny.



I don't get this either. Why not speed and stop what Zoom is doing or FIGHT him? Why just sit and watch him? Seems like the writers didn't think that through...I certainly wouldn't have just stood and watched being I worked so long to free him from prison in the first place.



I was kind of into the cockiness at first but the overwhelming thought was that it would obviously backfire...especially with how TV writing is today. It was simply way too predictable...I was hoping they'd turn it around and make it entirely different than expected. I'm still confused as to how this "speed force" makes him think he's invincible in the first place? It's speed...he's not a god.

On a separate thought...maybe it's me using common sense but since they found this time vault thingy that Thawne was using to ensure his future was secure (can't remember what it's called) in STAR labs, why aren't they using it?

Is that with Gideon?

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[JayBee74]

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I guess nobody likes the

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Earth 2 Henry Allen

theory.

EDIT: Nothing I even thought of. Just thought it made some sense.

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Someone said that earlier but they had better reveal now or its going to have to wait till next season which wouldn't make sense

[JayBee74]

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I'm still confused as to how this "speed force" makes him think he's invincible in the first place? It's speed...he's not a god.

They did create a pretty good surreal spiritual feel to the speed force setting. Hey Mercury was a god.

[AshamanCarnage]

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I thought Barry was cocky because he felt the Speed Force "chose" him, so he couldn't lose.

I tend to attribute some of Barry's actions, like him pleading with Zoom instead of trying to launch an offensive, as him just being young and inexperienced.